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[leaguer of one]

 

Dragon Age Origins states that he does.

 

Forgive me if I want take the word of one of the best written games of our generation over that first draft drek that is The Calling.

 

And even still, that only further enhances my point; at best, only two nobles(Eamon and Teagan) would know. And really, there's nothing to suggest they were ever told, so the only person who would know outside of Maric and Fiona is Duncan. There's no need for all this mystery and cover-up, other than to obfuscate it from the player.

No, it sate who he thinks is the mother. 

[Former_Fiend]

No, it sate who he thinks is the mother. 

 

Is there a particular reason why you think Maric would keep that information from Loghain, his best friend and most trusted advisor?

[KC_Prototype]

I hope Fiona tells Alistair he is of elven blood before she dies because if not, then he will never know. Also, I wish Alistair wasn't elf blood, I know I specist or whatever! I like elves but wish he was fully human.

[Revi]

*runs to get book*

*returns with book*

The following is a subjective narrative portraying Maric's thoughts on raising Alistair:

"If he recognized the boy and raised him in the palace, he [the child] would be subject to constant politics and struggles. He would be seen as competition for Cailan. Better to have him raised somewhere quietly, out of sight and allowed to his own destiny... Let the boy have his chance to be free of both [Fiona and Maric's] legacies (The Calling, p 444)."

Yeah. I site my sources when in online debates.

lets not forget that Duncan sworn to protect the child. If i recall he did it.

 

[leaguer of one]

The point is that under normal circumstances, the Couslands, in all likelihood, would have been chosen as the new royal family over a bastard child if Cailen had died without siring an heir of his own.

 

The circumstances in Origins were anything but normal, and Alistair is chosen only due to the efforts of our warden, if we indeed choose to go that route.

And that is an assumption. It like with Sophia Dryden vs Arland Theirin. Sophia had the support of the ban but it was Arland who was made king.

I'm not say Alistair was 1005 going to be king if Calin could not. It just Alistair is the spare, a just in case.

[Former_Fiend]

I hope Fiona tells Alistair he is of elven blood before she dies because if not, then he will never know. Also, I wish Alistair wasn't elf blood, I know I specist or whatever! I like elves but wish he was fully human.

 

Considering there's a two in five chance he'll die before she can tell him, I don't think it's particularly relevant. 

[Former_Fiend]

And that is an assumption. It like with Sophia Dryden vs Arland Theirin. Sophia had the support of the ban but it was Arland who was made king.

I'm not say Alistair was 1005 going to be king if Calin could not. It just Alistair is the spare, a just in case.

 

I think if Alistair was ever in serious consideration to be a spare to the throne, he wouldn't have been hidden away and his existence wouldn't have been a secret. The point of having a spare to the throne is that people know who's going to be in line so they don't start getting their own ideas. 

 

Alistair being promoted to spare in Origins was nothing more than a desperation/opportunistic play by Eamon.

[leaguer of one]

Is there a particular reason why you think Maric would keep that information from Loghain, his best friend and most trusted advisor?

But he did. It's in the epilogue of the calling. He made sure not to have his camber man not tell Loghian about him meeting Duncan and Fiona who had Alistair with them. They met in a private room with only themselves in the middle of the night when Loghian was in Guarm.

[Former_Fiend]

But he did. It's in the epilogue of the calling. He made sure not to have his camber man not tell Loghian about him meeting Duncan and Fiona who had Alistair with them. They met in a private room with only themselves in the middle of the night when Loghian was in Guarm.

 

That proves he didn't tell him that night. He had another, what, fifteen years to bring up the subject?

[leaguer of one]

That is ​a direct quote from the book. Do you want me to take a picture of the page for you or something?

Nowhere there does it say Loghain was present. And I am pretty sure there is no place called "Guarm". Loghain was in Gwaren when Maric found out about Alistair.

I'm listening to the audio novel right now in the epilogue. Loghain is not even in the same city when Maric meets Alistair.

[leaguer of one]

 

That proves he didn't tell him that night. He had another, what, fifteen years to bring up the subject?

And nothing shows he told him latter. From the very start it shows he wanted to hide the info from him.

[Reaverwind]

I think if Alistair was ever in serious consideration to be a spare to the throne, he wouldn't have been hidden away and his existence wouldn't have been a secret. The point of having a spare to the throne is that people know who's going to be in line so they don't start getting their own ideas. 

 

Alistair being promoted to spare in Origins was nothing more than a desperation/opportunistic play by Eamon.

 

If they ever intended Alistair as a spare, they wouldn't have been stupid enough to dump him into a stable. He would have received a proper education (indoctrination in a religious order doesn't cut it).

[Former_Fiend]

I'm listening to the audio novel right not in the epilogue. Loghain is not even in the same city when Maric meets Alistair.

 

The problem with this is on the metalevel.

 

In the game- the primary story, the one most of your consumerbase is going to experience, the one the bulk of your budget is going into, you present one set of circumstances.

 

In a shoddy, hastily written prequel novel that you don't have the time or budget to give a proper editing cycle towards, you present a completely incompatible set of circumstances. 

 

You then choose the latter as your official canon.

 

Loghain now looks like either a madman or an idiot ranting about things he has no knowledge of as if he has first hand knowledge of them. I suppose this isn't much of a problem if you hate Loghain as a good bit of the fandom do, but for his fans, this is an issue.

 

On top of that, Alistair's whole personal quest; his finding of his "mother's" locket, his meeting of his sister and finding closure there, all of that becomes completely meaningless.

 

And what's the gain? Alistair's mother is a poorly written character who he has a good chance of never meeting? How does this enhance the story?

[Former_Fiend]

Because Fiona, the mother of his child and woman he loves, asked him to?

 

It's been a while, but does he actually say that he loves this woman who he knew for all of a month? This woman who spent that entire time radiating hatred in his general direction?

 

Which is another problem I had with it; their "romance" was the most bile inducing, poorly written piece of sh*t excuse for a love story that I have ever had the misfortune of reading. These two people have no chemistry, no common ground, no connection. One spends the entire novel hating the other until her child hood trauma is healed by his magical penis. It's insulting drivel with nothing resembling real human emotion to it. 

[Former_Fiend]

I have to agree. He was King in my default because my PC figured it's what 'Bryce would have wanted'. At worst he was an exiled drunk who King Cousland welcomed back to Ferelden. Now... Sorry bro, you're just too special to live.

 

For me, it's more about sparing him the knowledge of being spawned from Fiona. No one deserves that.

[Reaverwind]

I have to agree. He was King in my default because my PC figured it's what 'Bryce would have wanted'. At worst he was an exiled drunk who King Cousland welcomed back to Ferelden. Now... Sorry bro, you're just too special to live.

 

I just have him stay in the wardens - sometimes he dies, sometimes he survives. 

[leaguer of one]

I didn't say he was raised by Loghain. 

 

EDIT: I was just saying their decision to pass him off to be raised by someone else, hide part of his heritage from him (in the case of Fiona), and keep him "out of sight" so he would be "free" from the downside of his parents' legacies (the prejudice his mom faced as an elf and the political struggles and intrigues his father faced as king) backfired since he ended up being used and abused for his non-royal blood and ended up being used as a political pawn anyway.

 

I wasn't talking about Loghain.

Oh...  I was Thinking about another argument.