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So this debate on Alistair is finally over.(The Calling spoiler)


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#601
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I'm not sure to be honest, but either way I think Fiona was the intended.

 

I saw the writing on the wall for this when someone posted that The World of Thedas established Alistair's birth year as 9:10 Dragon, which was the same year Maric had his dalliance with Fiona that produced a son. It also placed Alistair's birth long after Rowan had died, contradicting Loghain in DA:O.

 

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Then Fiona pops up in dai and their is a quest involving Alistair  finding out she is his mother and everyone is talking about it. That would be hard to ignore.

 

Not that hard. I would ignore it as at best it would be an optional side quest.

 

Any appearances by Alistair at this point forward in the series are going to be small cameos. He isn't going to play a major role in the plot, because there are different outcomes for him in DA:O. 



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Eh.  Plenty of noble families have mage blood in it.  I don't think too many people really care about it as long as you're not a mage yourself.

 

Not true.  It's well established as a point of lore that outside of Tevinter, having mage blood is a point of shame.  Noble families go out of their way to hide the fact of any such heritage.  Obviously people do care about it, and that's such an integral part of the lore I don't see how anyone can claim otherwise.



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Nope.

 

The Calling never confirmed Alistair's birth date as 9:10 Dragon, because The Calling never specifically stated the child was Alistair. There wouldn't have been any debates over the years about whether or not that child was Alistair if it had. The first source that explicitly stated that Alistair's birth date was 9:10 Dragon was The World of Thedas. The first source that apparently confirmed the child in The Calling as being Alistair was a recent dev post on Twitter.


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It would make sense though since Fiona was as well. It wouldn't be so far fetched. 

 

I dunno, I think it is a bit far-fetched.  Fiona's immunity was due to an external circumstance unrelated to her physiology.  Not that Bioware has shown much interest in applying real-world biology, but still.  



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Nope.

 

The Calling never confirmed Alistair's birth date as 9:10 Dragon, because The Calling never specifically stated the child was Alistair. There wouldn't have been any debates over the years about whether or not that child was Alistair if it had. The first source that explicitly stated that Alistair's birth date was 9:10 Dragon was The World of Thedas. The first source that apparently confirmed the child in The Calling as being Alistair was a recent dev post on Twitter.

The link is bw confirming Fiona is Alistair's mother. This is Mike Laidlaw explaining to someone who asked when it was stated Alistair had an elven mother. At this point denying would be like sticking your fingers in your ear and going lalalalala.



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People still doubted this? 

 

Some of us still do, because contrary to popular opinion, there was plenty of reason to doubt it all along. And given that the "confirmation" seems like a rather throwaway bit of evidence, well.  But mostly I just wouldn't put it past Bioware to muck up the consistency of their plot.  Again.  This would hardly be the first time that one Bioware dev has seemingly confirmed something that either negated un-ambiguous sources of lore, or even directly contradicted the confirmation of another Dev.



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I dunno, I think it is a bit far-fetched.  Fiona's immunity was due to an external circumstance unrelated to her physiology.  Not that Bioware has shown much interest in applying real-world biology, but still.  

Most of the thing dealing with magic in dragon age  mostly can be explain with" A wizard did it."

 

It's magic which does not have clear restraints.



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The link is bw confirming Fiona is Alistair's mother. This is Mike Laidlaw explaining to someone who asked when it was stated Alistair had an elven mother. At this point denying would be like sticking your fingers in your ear and going lalalalala.

 

I'm not denying its the official canon.

 

I just choose to reject Bioware's 'reality' and substitute my own, so that DA:O still makes some sense.  B)


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Some of us still do, because contrary to popular opinion, there was plenty of reason to doubt it all along. And given that the "confirmation" seems like a rather throwaway bit of evidence, well.  But mostly I just wouldn't put it past Bioware to muck up the consistency of their plot.  Again.  This would hardly be the first time that one Bioware dev has seemingly confirmed something that either negated un-ambiguous sources of lore, or even directly contradicted the confirmation of another Dev.

This was in the raptr q&a session where every writer and most of the dev team were answering questions. They would not say anything like this unless everyone on the writing team agreed on the fact.

 

Their is no speculation left. At this point it's just denial.



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I'm not denying its the official canon.

 

I just choose to reject Bioware's 'reality' and substitute my own, so that DA:O still makes some sense.  B)

It.s called denial.

 

Really you just taking the word of someone with 2nd hand knowledge who just telling you what he think is correct because he was told it was correct.



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Does Maric have a elven fetish? First that Katriel girl from the Stolen Throne and then Fiona. Also, wasn't Fiona at Alistair's joining?

 

Two elven women does not a fetish make, and anyway, the context of both relationships makes it clear that no, it had nothing to do with Maric having any fetishes.  He fell in love with the elf-woman Katriel, and remained solidly in love with her to the end of his days from all appearances.  His one-nighter with Fiona had nothing to do with anything but being lonely and needing comfort.  



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Not that hard. I would ignore it as at best it would be an optional side quest.

 

Any appearances by Alistair at this point forward in the series are going to be small cameos. He isn't going to play a major role in the plot, because there are different outcomes for him in DA:O. 

How would you know which one it is if it just happens to come up in the middle of the quest?



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Two elven women does not a fetish make, and anyway, the context of both relationships makes it clear that no, it had nothing to do with Maric having any fetishes.  He fell in love with the elf-woman Katriel, and remained solidly in love with her to the end of his days from all appearances.  His one-nighter with Fiona had nothing to do with anything but being lonely and needing comfort.  

And the fact he want her to stay with him means nothing?



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The link is bw confirming Fiona is Alistair's mother. This is Mike Laidlaw explaining to someone who asked when it was stated Alistair had an elven mother. At this point denying would be like sticking your fingers in your ear and going lalalalala.

 

I'm not denying it, i'm just pointing out it's not narratively compatible with Origins; not without some major exposition, which I'm really looking forward to as they've made it so tricky for themselves. Perhaps they mean to release a new version of Origins with all the inconsistencies ironed out. Maybe Alistair will know when he was born. Poor Alistair.


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Not really. It's made clear that magic has an open avenue to do anything in DA, you just need to know how to do it. It already has been pointed out that if a powerful enough mage can control the fade they can control and remake the world. If magic can do that then why can't it undo the call?

 

Because if magic is truly a cure-all/fix-all then all sense of urgency and tension goes out the window.  There HAVE to be limits to what magic can do if the story is to be interesting and engaging at all.  

That said, it is hardly a truism that simply because magic can do x, it MUST also be able to do y.  Very-powerful, extremely-insanely-awesomely-mega-powerful is, however awe-inspiring it may be, still NOT ALL-powerful.  And it is NOT made clear that magic has an open avenue to do anything in DA, actually.  



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It.s called denial.

 

Really you just taking the word of someone with 2nd hand knowledge who just telling you what he think is correct because he was told it was correct.

 

I find it humorous that you're offended by other peoples' head canon. So long as they don't confuse their head canon with the official canon....who cares?


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How would you know which one it is if it just happens to come up in the middle of the quest?

 

I can just play through it. Level up. And pretend it never happened.

 

The beauty of head canon.



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Because if magic is truly a cure-all/fix-all then all sense of urgency and tension goes out the window.  There HAVE to be limits to what magic can do if the story is to be interesting and engaging at all.  

That said, it is hardly a truism that simply because magic can do x, it MUST also be able to do y.  Very-powerful, extremely-insanely-awesomely-mega-powerful is, however awe-inspiring it may be, still NOT ALL-powerful.  And it is NOT made clear that magic has an open avenue to do anything in DA, actually.  

Not really. You have to have the knowledge of that magic to do it and limitless the ability of magic has that lack of knowledge massively hinders it.  We already know how far magic can save someone from DAO from the person saved/trapped in that elven artifact who teaches you Arcane warrior magic  and Wynne being revived from dying. It would be like saying learning that tranquility can be cured takes out any urgency.



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 Maric was well gone by the time any issue were up. Remember the last time Alistair was at redcliffe he was 10. Maric was long gone by then. So you blame him for what happen to Alistair when he was lost at sea?

 

Define long gone, because Maric was only declared dead about five years prior to the beginning of Origins, so if what you actually mean is that he was already presumed dead by the time Alistair was ten, then you are grossly mistaken.



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I find it humorous that you're offended by other peoples' head canon. So long as they don't confuse their head canon with the official canon....who cares?

Because head cannons don't super seed what happens in the plot.  It's like head cannoning a gay romance with Alistair.



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I'm not denying it, i'm just pointing out it's not narratively compatible with Origins; not without some major exposition, which I'm really looking forward to as they've made it so tricky for themselves. Perhaps they mean to release a new version of Origins with all the inconsistencies ironed out. Maybe Alistair will know when he was born. Poor Alistair.

In the calling they made sure that Loghain never knew about the childs real mother. He was in guarm when Maric met that baby. Loghain only has 2nd hand knowledge.



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Because head cannons don't super seed what happens in the plot.  It's like head cannoning a gay romance with Alistair.

 

But so what? The game won't react to it unless modded, but if you mod it that way... what difference does it make?



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Because head cannons don't super seed what happens in the plot.  

 

It will for me. All of Dragon Age is 'make pretend.' None of the characters and events are real, so I have no issue substituting my own head canon when events in the game series simply don't make sense. Like for instance, Alistair being Fiona's son.

 

Head canon only becomes an issue when players start confusing it for the official canon and try to impose it on others. Like the IT crowd on the Mass Effect forums, for example.



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She wanted the child to not know anything about her not not knowing anything about her and his father.

 

Without having the book in front of me I can't confirm this, but I do seem to recall that there was something about keeping Fiona's baby in the dark ENTIRELY about his heritage.  Not just Fiona.  It might not have come from Fiona herself, but I'm about 98% positive that the book does indeed indicate that the plan ultimately was to never tell the child about his heritage AT ALL.  Not just about his mother being an elf, but also his father being the King of Ferelden.  Beyond the concern about confusion over legitimate Cailan's status as the true heir, Maric, if not both Maric and Fiona, didn't want the child to be saddled with the burdens of royalty.