In the calling they made sure that Loghain never knew about the childs real mother. He was in guarm when Maric met that baby. Loghain only has 2nd hand knowledge.
The approx year of birth is confirmed by Alistair himself. He believes he was conceived while Rowan was alive. A point which no one has even attempted to address.
The approx year of birth is confirmed by Alistair himself. He believes he was conceived while Rowan was alive. A point which no one has even attempted to address.
When does this is come up? I can't recall that dialogue by Alistair now, and wonder if I may have missed it.
Not when he was born, when he was conceived. He claims that his father "cheated" on the Arl's sister to conceive him. Cheated is a strange word to use if she's already dead.
Check yourself. It's when you talk to Alistair about being King in Arl Eamon's estate after talking with Anora. You have to select the “do you think you could you back out” option. He's unhardened in the game I've just reproduced it in to check but I've no idea if that matters. He speaks about Eamon being the brother of the woman his father cheated on and he still took him in.
Excuse me for quoting myself, its faster but does come across as a little vain 
Nope.
The Calling never confirmed Alistair's birth date as 9:10 Dragon, because The Calling never specifically stated the child was Alistair. There wouldn't have been any debates over the years about whether or not that child was Alistair if it had. The first source that explicitly stated that Alistair's birth date was 9:10 Dragon was The World of Thedas. The first source that apparently confirmed the child in The Calling as being Alistair was a recent dev post on Twitter.
And hasn't it already been confirmed that (as is typical) many of the dates in WoT are either misprints themselves, or just serve to further confuse the issue by contradicting previously-established dates?
Excuse me for quoting myself, its faster but does come across as a little vain
Interesting!
I think that is yet more proof that Fiona-as-Alistair's-mother wasn't intended until after DA:O was written, and at the time that DA:O was released Goldanna's mother was indeed still Alistair's mother. There is no other explanation for both Alistair implying that he was born while Rowan lived, and Loghain stating that Maric feared acknowledging Alistair would turn Rowan into a concubine in the eyes of the people. A woman who is long dead can't be the victim of infidelity.
Alistair being born after Rowan died is a retcon to allow him to be Fiona's son.
Bioware went full Lucas. You never go full Lucas!
This was in the raptr q&a session where every writer and most of the dev team were answering questions. They would not say anything like this unless everyone on the writing team agreed on the fact.
Their is no speculation left. At this point it's just denial.
Ha. We'll see. Again, I wouldn't put it past Bioware to gerrymander their own lore. Again. Not like they've got a terrific track record for consistency among writing OR among Dev opinion, irrespective of a Q&A session. That's not me being in denial, that's me being well aware of Bioware's track record.
But so what? The game won't react to it unless modded, but if you mod it that way... what difference does it make?
Go ahead and try to mod an engine know has been able to mod yet.
And the fact he want her to stay with him means nothing?
Without the books to look at the actual passages and get the context, I couldn't say. But if you're asserting that it must or that it likely means he has a fetish, no. It doesn't HAVE to mean anything more than that Maric was lonely and Fiona made a good choice as a salve for that loneliness because she was there and they'd already comforted each other once. Her being an elf is entirely incidental to that.
Ha. We'll see. Again, I wouldn't put it past Bioware to gerrymander their own lore. Again. Not like they've got a terrific track record for consistency among writing OR among Dev opinion, irrespective of a Q&A session. That's not me being in denial, that's me being well aware of Bioware's track record.
I have it in the opening page. I'm the topic creator. If they said it in the q& a with every dev their then it's not an issue of inconstancy.
Without the books to look at the actual passages and get the context, I couldn't say. But if you're asserting that it must or that it likely means he has a fetish, no. It doesn't HAVE to mean anything more than that Maric was lonely and Fiona made a good choice as a salve for that loneliness because she was there and they'd already comforted each other once. Her being an elf is entirely incidental to that.
I have the audio book.In the equilogue it made clear he want her to stay with him but he never asks.
The approx year of birth is confirmed by Alistair himself. He believes he was conceived while Rowan was alive. A point which no one has even attempted to address.
No he did not. Link please.
No he did not. Link please.
See my post above
Without having the book in front of me I can't confirm this, but I do seem to recall that there was something about keeping Fiona's baby in the dark ENTIRELY about his heritage. Not just Fiona. It might not have come from Fiona herself, but I'm about 98% positive that the book does indeed indicate that the plan ultimately was to never tell the child about his heritage AT ALL. Not just about his mother being an elf, but also his father being the King of Ferelden. Beyond the concern about confusion over legitimate Cailan's status as the true heir, Maric, if not both Maric and Fiona, didn't want the child to be saddled with the burdens of royalty.
It's in the epilogue. She make it clear she does not want the babe to know about her and that he is elf-blooded. She even ask Maric not to tell Loghain the truth.
See my post above
I did. Still no source. You're not getting what I'm asking for?
I have it in the opening page. I'm the topic creator. If they said it in the q& a with every dev their then it's not an issue of inconstancy.
Er, yeah, that's not what I was referring to. I was referring to ALL THE EXISTING CASES of Bioware contradicting its own lore, and asserting that this is only the latest in a grand tradition of inconsistency. The one in denial now is you if you're determined to assert that Alistair's parentage is somehow not an inconsistency. It directly flies in the face of established lore in Origins because no matter how much you try to twist yourself in knots to believe otherwise, Alistair-as-Fiona's-son renders a LOT of dialogue and lore in Origins nonsensical. I concur with Han Shot First that this has to be a retcon that came up during the writing of Origins because it's literally the only explanation that makes sense.
Go ahead and try to mod an engine know has been able to mod yet.
There's an Alistair M/M mod for DA:O right now. So I have no idea where this taunt is even coming from.
Er, yeah, that'st not what I was referring to. I was referring to ALL THE EXISTING CASES of Bioware contradicting its own lore, and asserting that this is only the latest in a grand tradition of inconsistency. The one in denial now is you if you're determined to assert that Alistair's parentage is somehow not an inconsistency. It directly flies in the face of established lore in Origins because no matter how much you try to twist yourself in knots to believe otherwise, Alistair-as-Fiona's-son renders a LOT of dialogue and lore in Origins nonsensical. I concur with Han Shot First that this has to be a retcon that came up during the writing of Origins because it's literally the only explanation that makes sense.
DA:O was written and re-written so many times, a bunch of plot threads exist that are either the result of characters being stupid or plots being abandoned. Loghain got the worst of it, when he switched away from being mind controlled by the Blight.
It's in the epilogue. She make it clear she does not want the babe to know about her and that he is elf-blooded. She even ask Maric not to tell Loghain the truth.
I'm aware of where it is. But this doesn't say anything about what Maric himself thought. I'm fairly positive that there was indeed something about keeping the baby in the dark ENTIRELY, not just about Fiona but about Maric as well. But the more I think about it the more I want to say that Fiona says something about having her son raised by people outside the palace and never being told who his parents are, and that Maric ultimately agreed with her reasoning.
There's an Alistair M/M mod for DA:O right now. So I have no idea where this taunt is even coming from.
Oh, they're changing the subject and trying to make it be about the game engine for Inquisition, and ignoring what your point was in the first place.
Go ahead and try to mod an engine know has been able to mod yet.
You do realize that they are talking about the reality of existing mods for previous DA games, right? What in the world does whether or not Inquisition will be moddable have to do with what they were saying? Hint: NOTHING. Do try to keep your arguments honest.
Oh, they're changing the subject and trying to make it be about the game engine for Inquisition, and ignoring what your point was in the first place.
Oh, I see. I was really confused for a minute (trying to figure out how Eclipse was unmoddable). That helped a lot.
Can anyone tell me how old Alistair is at the beginning of DAI
If he was born in 9:10 Dragon, then he was 20 (the 5th Blight starts in 9:30).
Edit: Right, you said DA:I. So that would be 30ish (and presumably close to his Calling, which sucks for him).
Can anyone tell me how old Alistair is at the beginning of DAI
When is DA:I set? 9:40 Dragon? (10 years after the events of DA:O?)
If so that would put him at 30 years old in DA:I, according to the retcon'd birth date of 9:10 Dragon.
When is DA:I set? 9:40 Dragon? (10 years after the events of DA:O?)
If so that would put him at 30 years old in DA:I, according to the retcon'd birth date of 9:10 Dragon.
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