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[DinkyD]

Yes, that is an error, that was clarified by David Gaider on the old BSN, iirc. There were other errors aswell in the Calling about Cailan's age and the date of Rowans death. Apparently there were two versions of the book.

 

And I'm pretty sure, that DG mentioned in one of his serieses on game-development on tumblr, that the Goldanna-Quest with Alistair was a result of a lack of communication between the writers and the quest-designers. So are all the other remarks, about Maric cheating on Rowan, because he didn't. When he slept with Fiona and Alistair was born, Rowan was dead for 2 years.

 

So there was a lack of communication between the writers and quest designers, yet somehow the Game still came out perfectly coherent on this point.

 

And this - somehow - also explains the very same writers getting it wrong in the other remarks. And the people who wrote the codex getting it wrong. Most people involved in development seemed to think that Alistair's mother was a servant. Maybe they should have stuck with that. The only person who didn't seem to think that was the one writing the tie-in book.

[leaguer of one]

So there was a lack of communication between the writers and quest designers, yet somehow the Game still came out perfectly coherent on this point.

 

And this - somehow - also explains the very same writers getting it wrong in the other remarks. And the people who wrote the codex getting it wrong. Most people involved in development seemed to think that Alistair's mother was a servant. Maybe they should have stuck with that. The only person who didn't seem to think that was the one writing the tie-in book.

Or maybe the writers write the story they want and not wimper when ever a fan is upset over something.

 

Seriously, it not very confusing.

[leaguer of one]

My two cents, not having read the entire thread:

 

I already kind of had the impression Alistair was elf-blooded.  His sister is an elf, after all.  However, I don't think the devs actually directly said Fiona was Alistair's mother... anywhere, only that he is elf-blooded (which we knew because of his elven sister).  It's a logical assumption, sure, and I believe it's what was intended by the writers.  And yet, it is still not officially confirmed unless I missed something major in all of that Raptr info.  They confirmed only that he is elf-blooded, so even though Fiona is most likely his mother, assuming she definitely is, is leaping to conclusions.

 

I do think Fiona is Alistair's mother, yes, but Maric seemed to have a deep attraction for elves, and it may be that, post-Rowan and prior to (or after) Fiona, he found another elf to fall in love with.  Yes, he had several loves, but he did genuinely love them all, or believed he did.

His supposive sister is human.

[Han Shot First]

Or maybe the writers write the story they want and not wimper when ever a fan is upset over something.

 

Seriously, it not very confusing.

 

Or maybe the writers should focus on keeping the story coherent.

 

Regardless of how the Goldanna quest-line ended up in the game, the canon it established should have been left alone. Particularly when it is supported by other characters' dialogue in the game, like Loghain & Alistair.

[Xilizhra]

Or maybe the writers should focus on keeping the story coherent.

 

Regardless of how the Goldanna quest-line ended up in the game, the canon it established should have been left alone. Particularly when it is supported by other characters' dialogue in the game, like Loghain & Alistair.

Is Alistair's story not Gaider's to tell?

[leaguer of one]

Or maybe the writers should focus on keeping the story coherent.

 

Regardless of how the Goldanna quest-line ended up in the game, the canon it established should have been left alone. Particularly when it is supported by other characters' dialogue in the game, like Loghain & Alistair.

This does not make the story incoherent in anyway. Their was no 100% confirmation that what was said in the story is true. Even with the cedex there is chance that it's incorrect on the happens of events. Everything that was stated was second hand knowledge. It's like saying the magister turn the golden city black is true even though we have a magister alive at the time  that states the city was black before they got there. Loghain and Alistair are just stating what they were told to be true. They both have second hand knowledge of the event on hand. Only Maric and Alistair has first hand knowledge of the event. And given that the calling give first hand knowledge over the event that happen the dealt with Alistairs birth it superseeds what ever stated by Loghain and Alistair who have second hand knowledge of the event in hand. So unless Alistair remember everything form his birth and Loghain was their when Alistair was born and watch him taken out of his mom or the room he was born in what ever they say they think is true about who Alistair mother is can be take with a grain of salt.

[Grieving Natashina]

The thread title is growing more ironic by the day.  While it's been confirmed that Alistair is elf blooded, it seems like the debate about him just got started.  

[DinkyD]

This does not make the story incoherent in anyway. Their was no 100% confirmation that what was said in the story is true. Even with the cedex there is chance that it's incorrect on the happens of events. Everything that was stated was second hand knowledge. It's like saying the magister turn the golden city black is true even though we have a magister alive at the time  that states the city was black before they got there. Loghain and Alistair are just stating what they were told to be true. They both have second hand knowledge of the event on hand. Only Maric and Alistair has first hand knowledge of the event. And given that the calling give first hand knowledge over the event that happen the dealt with Alistairs birth it superseeds what ever stated by Loghain and Alistair who have second hand knowledge of the event in hand. So unless Alistair remember everything form his birth and Loghain was their when Alistair was born and watch him taken out of his mom or the room he was born in what ever they say they think is true about who Alistair mother is can be take with a grain of salt.

 

DG also thinks it's incoherent because he felt it necessary to explain.

[leaguer of one]

DG also thinks it's incoherent because he felt it necessary to explain.

Outside of the fact Alistair's mom just does not what Alistair to know and it has yet be told to him. Added she wanted Maric to lie about who the real mom was.

[Bellanaris88]

DG also thinks it's incoherent because he felt it necessary to explain.

It was only about Goldanna's Quest. Everything else is just the story everyone believed was true.

[DinkyD]

It was only about Goldanna's Quest. Everything else is just the story everyone believed was true.

 

Goody, does this mean I will get to find out why in Origins, both Alistair and Loghain think Alistair is at least 2 years older than he actually is?

 

The Codex says Alistair was hidden from Rowan. I'm hoping to hear that she was a Zombie Queen roaming the palace. That would be interesting.

[Reaverwind]

Goody, does this mean I will get to find out why in Origins, both Alistair and Loghain think Alistair is at least 2 years older than he actually is?

 

The Codex says Alistair was hidden from Rowan. I'm hoping to hear that she was a Zombie Queen roaming the palace. That would be interesting.

 

Well, that would explain a few things about Cailan. 

[Bellanaris88]

Goody, does this mean I will get to find out why in Origins, both Alistair and Loghain think Alistair is at least 2 years older than he actually is?

The Codex says Alistair was hidden from Rowan. I'm hoping to hear that she was a Zombie Queen roaming the palace. That would be interesting.

Right. Sorry, forgot about that entry. I don't know what happend there.. Well nobody is perfect.

Can't you just take it for what it is and move on? The book came out before DA:O, so it's nothing DG thought about later.

[Pateu]

Alistair was great without being a special snowflake.

[Han Shot First]

Is Alistair's story not Gaider's to tell?

 

Sure. He could also decide that the First Blight was ended by a cigar-smoking Mabari piloting a Sopwith Camel, and it would be canon. That doesn't mean we all have to like it or pretend it is coherent.

 

 

 

 

leaguer of one, on 11 Jul 2014 - 1:33 PM, said:
This does not make the story incoherent in anyway. Their was no 100% confirmation that what was said in the story is true. Even with the cedex there is chance that it's incorrect on the happens of events. Everything that was stated was second hand knowledge. It's like saying the magister turn the golden city black is true even though we have a magister alive at the time  that states the city was black before they got there. Loghain and Alistair are just stating what they were told to be true. They both have second hand knowledge of the event on hand. Only Maric and Alistair has first hand knowledge of the event. And given that the calling give first hand knowledge over the event that happen the dealt with Alistairs birth it superseeds what ever stated by Loghain and Alistair who have second hand knowledge of the event in hand. So unless Alistair remember everything form his birth and Loghain was their when Alistair was born and watch him taken out of his mom or the room he was born in what ever they say they think is true about who Alistair mother is can be take with a grain of salt.

 

In order to explain away the inconsistencies between DA:O's dialogue and the Fiona reveal, you need to engage in mental gymnastics. That is pretty much the textbook symptom of a story arc that has ceased making sense.

[leaguer of one]

 

 

 

 

 

 

In order to explain away the inconsistencies between DA:O's dialogue and the Fiona reveal, you need to engage in mental gymnastics. That is pretty much the textbook symptom of a story arc that has ceased making sense.

You don't at all. This is not a batman gambit.

[Dabrikishaw]

So is there any source someone can link to that actually confirms Fiona being Alistair's mother or is it just jumping to conclusions?

 

EDIT: Nevermind, found it on the first post.

[TK514]

So is there any source someone can link to that actually confirms Fiona being Alistair's mother or is it just jumping to conclusions?
 
EDIT: Nevermind, found it on the first post.

Amusingly, it never actually says Fiona is Alistair's mother. For all we know, Maric had a fling with an Elven servant at Redcliffe. He obviously had a problem resisting elves. It's not like it's something Goldanna would bring up.

[Black Jimmy]

Out of curiosity, why do people have a problem with Fiona being Alistair's mother?

I've even noticed a few people  say it might be some OTHER Elf. So, the Elf mother isn't the problem, it's Fiona. How come?

[leaguer of one]

Amusingly, it never actually says Fiona is Alistair's mother. For all we know, Maric had a fling with an Elven servant at Redcliffe. He obviously had a problem resisting elves. It's not like it's something Goldanna would bring up.

Their is also a twitter statement that it was show that Alistair had an elve mother in the calling... So, that assumption ended quickly...

[leaguer of one]

Out of curiosity, why do people have a problem with Fiona being Alistair's mother?

I've even noticed a few people  say it might be some OTHER Elf. So, the Elf mother isn't the problem, it's Fiona. How come?

Because people don't like Fiona as a character for some reason.

[TK514]

Their is also a twitter statement that it was show that Alistair had an elve mother in the calling... So, that assumption ended quickly...

Link?

[TK514]

Out of curiosity, why do people have a problem with Fiona being Alistair's mother?
I've even noticed a few people  say it might be some OTHER Elf. So, the Elf mother isn't the problem, it's Fiona. How come?

Because I am of the opinion that Fiona is a terrible character. Anything that increases her already absurd presence in Dragon Age is equally terrible.

[Hellion Rex]

Link?

All I'm seeing on Laidlaw's Twitter is an answer that says:

"It's in The Calling, which is several years old." --- https://twitter.com/...584356337487872

 

The original question is gone, and I can't find it on that person's twitter.

[Black Jimmy]

Because I am of the opinion that Fiona is a terrible character. Anything that increases her already absurd presence in Dragon Age is equally terrible.

Terrible in what way?