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[EkhidnaDrakaina]

In the immortal words of Paddy Tanniger, the Caddy Manager:

[Cypher0020]

when did Alstair get..dragon blood?

 

Oh well. Now headcaoning it so my dalish warden can romance him, since he's not fully shemlen lol

[Andraste_Reborn]

when did Alstair get..dragon blood?

 

Oh well. Now headcaoning it so my dalish warden can romance him, since he's not fully shemlen lol

 

Calenhad was a Reaver. Turns out he passed it down somehow. (We don't really know if all Reavers do this, or if Calehad was special in some way.)

[LobselVith8]

No the thing with the templar dude and Wynne.

 

From what I recall, Wynne seemed to know who the father was; she addressed that he was a templar, but Rhys was taken away at birth, and (if I remember correctly) his name was never given. If this resource was available, I'd imagine it would've come up when Alistair presented himself as Maric's son.

[Ryzaki]

From what I recall, Wynne seemed to know who the father was; she addressed that he was a templar, but Rhys was taken away at birth, and (if I remember correctly) his name was never given. If this resource was available, I'd imagine it would've come up when Alistair presented himself as Maric's son.

Hm I don't know where it was but I thought I saw a comic or something of a knight commander templar wondering who the father was and dragging a mage and have another templar drag him up to some cauldron thing and the smoke supposed was supposed to cling to the father and it covered both of them but since the templar was right next to the mage they assumed it meant the mage when it actually meant the templar.

 

(My memories like a damn sieve and I use dude alot when I'm tired. XD).

 

But yeah that's a good point. Unless it only works on the living or something. *more confused*

[wright1978]

Hoping to meet bitter Fiona, bemoaning Warden & Anora lopping old Alistair's head off.

[Gregolian]

Hoping to meet bitter Fiona, bemoaning Warden & Anora lopping old Alistair's head off.

You are a cruel cruel person.

[TK514]

You are a cruel cruel person.

Cruel would be suggesting to her that had she been honest with him, or any kind of mother, his death could have been avoided because he never would have been considered for the crown, much less a threat to it, so his execution would have been unnecessary.

[Xetykins]

Happy for this near confirmation of the obvious. Happy for the near confirmation that Alistair really is not related to that horrible hag and awful nag that is Goldanna.

Alistair being a writer's pet? No more than Leli I expect who was given the lazarus effect. Not that it bothered me as I love all my dao companions. Now give us shale, sten and zev and dog!

[wright1978]

I don't like killing Alistair, even if I'm not a fan.

 

Better to let him be a miserable drunk.

 

In my favourite playthrough i hardened him, then agreed to marry Anora. He was then an obvious, motivated and dangerous threat, so had to die.

I have him drunk or king in other playthroughs which i'll no doubt import too, but excited to see reaction to death if we do meet his mother.

[Inquisitor Mary Sue]

The dragon blood and elf heritage are stupid additions to his character that make me feel a lot less sympathy towards Gaider when people say that he writes Mary Sues.

 

Pretty sure Gaider doesn't like his characters being called "Mary Sues", why I hear tales of a former poster who was banned for such tomfoolery!

[wolfhowwl]

I for one would not complain if said poster evaded that ban and continued to enlighten the BSN with their presence!

[Lucy Glitter]

Wasn't really the best place to reveal it.

[Gregolian]

What in the Seven Hells is a Mary Sue?  And if someone links me to that TVtropes website so help me

 

I went to write a final research paper once and ended up at that site when I was taking a short break....  my short break became a 5 hour break.

[Lucijenifer]

So, let's see.

 

He's elf-blooded, that just makes him a mongrel. Nothing special about that.

The dragon-blood thing isn't too major, considering it exists in every other descendant of Ferelden's founder and it has no major effect. It's just a plot device.

And being of Orlesian descent means nothing either, so long as he culturally raised as a man of Ferelden.

 

It's just a character with lots of plot devices surrounding it. Yes, he's special but almost none of these special traits are advantages, they're all just plot hooks to push the story along.

[Gregolian]

Mary Sue is basically...... Wesley Crusher in TNG. The intrusive can-do-no-wrong character who makes everyone look incompetent with their godly insight and awesomeness.

TNG?

 

"Can-do-no-wrong" is like the exact opposite adjective phrase I would use for Alistair.

[Reznore57]

Wasn't really the best place to reveal it.

 

Agree.

Well maybe it isn't a spoiler , and there's nothing about Alistair and Fiona in Inquisition?

And Bioware never wanted to do anything with that secret.

So it just crush speculations and it isn't ruining any big moment in game?

[Dermain]

Mary Sue is basically...... Wesley Crusher in TNG. The intrusive can-do-no-wrong character who makes everyone look incompetent with their godly insight and awesomeness.

 

"Can-do-no-wrong" is like the exact opposite adjective phrase I would use for Alistair.

 

Which of course reveals that everyone that calls Alistair/Fiona "Mary Sues" know NOTHING about the term.

 

Alistair does A LOT of things wrong...hell his entire story arc in the game is pretty much "HELP ME PLAYER CHARACTER!!! I'M TO DUMB TO KNOW WHAT TO DO?! *Runs around screaming*". Not to mention the whole Landsmeet debacle if you let Loghain live...totally Mary Sue material right there. 

 

I still have to read the comics so I can't comment, but just having "dragon blood" does not necessarily mean he is meant for greatness. In fact, his use was to resurrect the last of the dragons, and to die while doing it. Thankfully (unfortunately if you despise his character) he doesn't do that, which of course may have led to the whole fade tear thing in DAI for all we know. (If this turns out to be true I am totally calling it later).

 

As for Fiona:

 

She starts out as a typical slave (not for Orlais, but still it's a slave origin) to some sadistic SOB Orlesian noble. It is then revealed that she is a mage, and promptly sent to one of the circle towers in Orlais. There she continues her "WOE IS ME" story line until she gets the chance to join the Wardens. The Calling occurs where she is somehow "cured" of the taint. From there she somehow ends up as the leader of the mages, and helps cause the second most mage facepalming moment in the DA universe by further instigating Lambert enough to cause the entirety of the mage-templar war. Which, in short, does a hell of a lot of WRONG. Were she a "Mary Sue" she would have been able to separate the mages from the circle, Lambert would have been talked into reason, and there would be sunshine, unicorns, and rainbows! 

 

Which does not happen...she also stands the chance of dying at the start of DAI...which also does not happen to "Mary Sues". "Mary Sues" would somehow manage to survive the fade tear, and be able to fix all wrongs caused by it...oh ****...that's us!!! PREPARE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING A MARY SUE!!!!

 

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And everyone loves them for it. "Mary Sues" are always right, do everything right, easily and effortlessly excel at everything they try, get fawned over and praised as the best at whatever by everyone around them (except bad guys who're just evil and jealous of them), the plot immediately derails to be about them the moment they walk into the room, characters who encounter them even casually are immediately drawn to or fascinated by them, they're the center of every conversation of every character whether they're around or not, they get praised as "special" and "unusual" by everyone around them, get way more "unusual" traits that are considered desirable in their world they should realistically have to make them seem more "amazing," "awesome" and "special" and way better than piddling normal people, get praised as the most wonderful, giving, caring, moral person ever even when they act like complete jerks, etc.

 

The few characters that are depicted as not instantly, completely adoring them are still often portrayed as having nothing better to do than obsess about them, rarely have any humanity or redeemable qualities and are just cruel  jerks, "just don't understand" how awesome the Sue is, and don't really have any legitimate grievances against them. The nay-sayers of the Sue will just be treated as being objectively wrong by everyone else, hated by everyone else for daring to speak or act against Sue, and most often turn out to just be jealous of them anyway. (*cough*HowetotheCouslands*cough*)

 

Does that sound like Alistair/Fiona to anyone?

 

 

Fixed that for you.