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[snfonseka]

what if they intended to have the blights all along? they just sought the necessary means, and tricked the magisters to start it.

 

I can't see a reason why they want to manifested into Archdemons.

[Dean_the_Young]

I've generally assumed that the Golden City always hid the corruption/Blight on the inside and out of sight, and it was the Magister's breach that released it and turned the city black. Sort of a Pandora's Box metaphor, except with the box changing color afterwards.

 

There's not much actually disputing the city ever being Golden. Records show it as such, and I believe (but can't think of the source) that the Dalish legend recount it that way as well. Pretty much everyone agrees that transition point was the Blight, and no one in-universe has claimed it was black before then.

 

As for the how/why the Magister's breach unleashed the Blight and corrupted the city? Dunno. Too many possibilities, too little information. It probably has to do with the deep lore and the fundamental questions about the forces, divine and otherwise, that played a hand in the formation of mythology.

 

Personally? I suspect the Golden City was a containment for the relics of whatever divine grudgematch (not necessarily requiring divine figures) established the ancient setting. Power that was sealed away by powerful forces. The Old Gods (whatever they actually were/are) knew of it, figured out how to breach the vault, and ended up releasing the power within.

[Dean_the_Young]

I can't see a reason why they want to manifested into Archdemons.

 

You can't? It seems obvious to me: the chance to dominate the hive-mind of the new world order. Instead of being worshipped and striking bargains with Tevinter elites, you could alter the living world and take a more direct role in dominating and living through it.

 

That would  be the abstract, of course. How the Blight works in practice, and how it was intended/anticipated to work, could be two different things. When you get past the disease and horrific ugly factor, the Blight creates a collective hive mind that is dominated by a few elites, with varying levels of autonomy and individuality depending on your rank and ability. If you were the sort of capracious and uncaring rulers who were the Tevinter Magisters and presumably the Old Gods, that could be cast as an upgrade over the tyranny of having to dominate so many individuals. Dark Spawn don't rebel, not really.

 

So break into the Golden City. Steal the power of the gods to make an incredibly powerful existence. Conquer the world through these powers, replace it with the new species, reign unchallenged and eternally.

[AmRMa]

I think it was still the Tevinter Magisters- it was gold but their intrusion (for lack of a better word) with their blood magic corrupted it and made it black when they entered.

[Tarek]

wasn't this explained in DA:O ?!1

 

the tevinter mages went in and corruption spread!!!!

[snfonseka]

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There's not much actually disputing the city ever being Golden. Records show it as such, and I believe (but can't think of the source) that the Dalish legend recount it that way as well. Pretty much everyone agrees that transition point was the Blight, and no one in-universe has claimed it was black before then.

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Guess you havn't read the opening post; Corypheus said the city was already black and corrupt when they entered.

[TheodoricFriede]

Guess you havn't read the opening post; Corypheus said the city was already black and corrupt when they entered.

Corypheus was speaking in vague, deluded terms as his shattered mind was slowly piecing back together.

 

"It was supposed to be golden!" doesn't me anything but the fact that the city used to be gold, and turned black. Perhaps it turned black as soon as they entered it. Perhaps he witnessed the golden city turn black as the corruption of sin spread from the magisters.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The thing is the way he said "It was supposed to be Golden!" can still be used to describe the city turning black after he got there. He says "The City! It was supposed to be Golden! It was supposed to be ours!" He couldn't have expected it to already be "his" when he arrived. He expected it to have been his after getting there.

[Dean_the_Young]

Guess you havn't read the opening post; Corypheus said the city was already black and corrupt when they entered.

 

Key word: entered. Key point of my post: exterior. Hence the analogy to Pandora's box.

 

Please read posts you quote before advising them to read posts they don't contradict with.

[Xilizhra]

If the Blight was intended to destroy the world then it's done a pretty terrible job so far. Every blight has eventually been put down, and there's only two old gods left. Perhaps corrupting the old gods is the only way to ensure their death (via being killed by a grey warden)? 

That doesn't seem at all likely. If anything, the Old Gods are the only things that are preventing the darkspawn from overrunning the world, because they spend so much time hunting them down.

 

 

Corypheus was speaking in vague, deluded terms as his shattered mind was slowly piecing back together.

 

"It was supposed to be golden!" doesn't me anything but the fact that the city used to be gold, and turned black. Perhaps it turned black as soon as they entered it. Perhaps he witnessed the golden city turn black as the corruption of sin spread from the magisters.

Or perhaps it was only gold on the outside and was black within.

[TheKomandorShepard]

As i figured da pattern i can say that mages did that same can i said about most disasters in thedas.  

 

It pretty much doesn't matter whether city was black or golden or green.

[TheodoricFriede]

Or perhaps it was only gold on the outside and was black within.

I suppose thats possible, but i dont really believe that to be the case.

 

If it was, why would the outside of the city be black now?

 

I honestly believe that what you see is what you get with this story.

[Xilizhra]

I suppose thats possible, but i dont really believe that to be the case.

 

If it was, why would the outside of the city be black now?

 

I honestly believe that what you see is what you get with this story.

As Dean mentioned, because the blackness that was inside the city oozed out of it with whatever turned the magisters into darkspawn.

[In Exile]

A really bad exterior decorator? "Black is the new gold!" 

 

 

As Dean mentioned, because the blackness that was inside the city oozed out of it with whatever turned the magisters into darkspawn.

 

Basically that's my theory. The Magisters' got suckered into letting out whatever was trapped in there. 

[TheodoricFriede]

As Dean mentioned, because the blackness that was inside the city oozed out of it with whatever turned the magisters into darkspawn.

As i said, its possible, but i personally dont believe that.

[Xilizhra]

Basically that's my theory. The Magisters' got suckered into letting out whatever was trapped in there. 

The Maker, gone insane with wrath at the defiance of his humans for not following him and sending a Blight down to destroy both his wayward children and those who led them astray?

 

That's my theory, anyway.

[In Exile]

I've generally assumed that the Golden City always hid the corruption/Blight on the inside and out of sight, and it was the Magister's breach that released it and turned the city black. Sort of a Pandora's Box metaphor, except with the box changing color afterwards.

 

There's not much actually disputing the city ever being Golden. Records show it as such, and I believe (but can't think of the source) that the Dalish legend recount it that way as well. Pretty much everyone agrees that transition point was the Blight, and no one in-universe has claimed it was black before then.

 

There is a post from DG where he confirms that there were records of the Golden City from before the blights, even though the First Blight destroyed a great deal of records. 

[In Exile]

The Maker, gone insane with wrath at the defiance of his humans for not following him and sending a Blight down to destroy both his wayward children and those who led them astray?

 

That's my theory, anyway.

 

I was going with this:

 

"I suspect the Golden City was a containment for the relics of whatever divine grudgematch (not necessarily requiring divine figures) established the ancient setting. Power that was sealed away by powerful forces. The Old Gods (whatever they actually were/are) knew of it, figured out how to breach the vault, and ended up releasing the power within."

 

I don't think the Maker is a real thing. If anything that ever called itself the Maker exists, I believe it's more of a Demiurge type deal. 

 

But then again I always think gods are made-up, unless there's clear and unequivocal evidence they exist. In which case my characters are just anti-god crusaders, free will and all that jazz. 

[Reaverwind]

The Maker, gone insane with wrath at the defiance of his humans for not following him and sending a Blight down to destroy both his wayward children and those who led them astray?

 

That's my theory, anyway.

 

I don't believe the Maker had anything to do with the City in the first place. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Basically that's my theory. The Magisters' got suckered into letting out whatever was trapped in there. 

 

The real question is if the Old Gods were suckered into it, or if they knew/anticipated most of the results.

 

Depending on what the Old Gods were (and I'm leaning towards 'Elder Dragons possessed by powerful spirits' myself), becoming an ArchDemon may well have been the plan, rather than an accident.

[Xilizhra]

The real question is if the Old Gods were suckered into it, or if they knew/anticipated most of the results.

 

Depending on what the Old Gods were (and I'm leaning towards 'Elder Dragons possessed by powerful spirits' myself), becoming an ArchDemon may well have been the plan, rather than an accident.

If that was really the case, why would these patient schemers who've waited for thousands of years for freedom do nothing but charge up to the surface, smash things and kill people? Was random destruction really all they wanted? Even after the archdemons started dying?

[Hellion Rex]

The Maker, gone insane with wrath at the defiance of his humans for not following him and sending a Blight down to destroy both his wayward children and those who led them astray?

 

That's my theory, anyway.

Kinda like God sending down the Great Flood?

[Dean_the_Young]

I was going with this:

 

"I suspect the Golden City was a containment for the relics of whatever divine grudgematch (not necessarily requiring divine figures) established the ancient setting. Power that was sealed away by powerful forces. The Old Gods (whatever they actually were/are) knew of it, figured out how to breach the vault, and ended up releasing the power within."

 

I don't think the Maker is a real thing. If anything that ever called itself the Maker exists, I believe it's more of a Demiurge type deal. 

 

But then again I always think gods are made-up, unless there's clear and unequivocal evidence they exist. In which case my characters are just anti-god crusaders, free will and all that jazz. 

 

I suspect the various pantheons are or were spirit hierarchies and possibly some exceptionally successful and unique abominations and such, personally. Some of them may have been one-to-one correlations with spirits (the elves?), others may be mis-remembered collectives who have been grouped together in the aftermath.

 

One day, I hope we get a glimpse at Bioware's deep lore wiki.

 

Come on, Chinese hackers...

[In Exile]

The real question is if the Old Gods were suckered into it, or if they knew/anticipated most of the results.

 

Depending on what the Old Gods were (and I'm leaning towards 'Elder Dragons possessed by powerful spirits' myself), becoming an ArchDemon may well have been the plan, rather than an accident.

 

The old god's song actually sounds a lot like what people describe lyrium to sound like (whether red or blue, cf. what Justice says in DA:A). So I do think there's a link between them and the Fade, but I don't know if I would say that they're spirits. I think the old gods are something else beyond spirits, and that the song that they supposedly emit is very much tied to that. 

 

My (crackpot) speculation that the OGs were in on it comes from the fact that their lure for the darkspawn doesn't change when an OG rises. If they were actually being corrupted, why wouldn't their beautiful melody change? Thematically, it doesn't make sense to me. 

[In Exile]

If that was really the case, why would these patient schemers who've waited for thousands of years for freedom do nothing but charge up to the surface, smash things and kill people? Was random destruction really all they wanted? Even after the archdemons started dying?

 

Random destruction might not be all they're doing. Suppose they're after what's happening in DA:I - fade tears. What's the best way to tear the Fade? Death, on an absolutely massive scale.