Perhaps they initially tried to manipulate the Magisters so they were in a position where they were vulnerable to the Call, and giving them the means to hear it involved thrusting them past the Veil and into the Fade?
Only that, well, it didn't work out so well and they came back with something else, that the Old Gods didn't expect or desire. Not every plan works perfectly.
Scary? How so? I have always kinda theorized that the Fade was almost made as a supernatural prison of sorts, with the Black City being maximum security. Whoever raised the Veil locked away something in the City.
Can you think of a scarier place to trap something, something so terrible that it justifies rewriting the laws of nature in an attempt to contain it, than the shared dreamscape of all mortals and the hunting place of the demons who prey on the supermen?
Do you think there's any merit to that theory?Can you think of a scarier place to trap something, something so terrible that it justifies rewriting the laws of nature in an attempt to contain it, than the shared dreamscape of all mortals and the hunting place of the demons who prey on the supermen?
It'd be so awesome if there is actually something trapped inside the Black City.
Whatever it is, seems to be connected to the taint, according to Avernus's notes.
I have a theory that involves the Golden City being where the ancient elves in Uthenera spent their time. So when the Magisters tried to get there, the city was blackened by the same (elven) curse that turned them into the first darkspawn.
Alternatively, I'm willing to believe that the Chantry is right in most particulars. Why not?
Do you think there's any merit to that theory?
That the Veil was a means to contain something? Sure- it fits with the Dalish mythology of the division of gods, but more importantly the Golden City being so inaccesible yet constant in the notoriously maleable Fade suggests the restriction was deliberate rather than natural force that other powerful forces sought to exploit, and the first (only?) known content of the city resulted an apocalyptic event.
It may not be a single entity, per see, but I can see the Veil being an artificial construct. If was constructed, it was done so for a reason. And considering the Origins of the Blight, I can containment being that reason.
Corypheus was speaking in vague, deluded terms as his shattered mind was slowly piecing back together.
"It was supposed to be golden!" doesn't me anything but the fact that the city used to be gold, and turned black. Perhaps it turned black as soon as they entered it. Perhaps he witnessed the golden city turn black as the corruption of sin spread from the magisters.
That was not Vague. That statement was literal.
I have a theory that involves the Golden City being where the ancient elves in Uthenera spent their time. So when the Magisters tried to get there, the city was blackened by the same (elven) curse that turned them into the first darkspawn.
Alternatively, I'm willing to believe that the Chantry is right in most particulars. Why not?
Look for my comment on the first page.
Do you think there's any merit to that theory?
Of course. The fact the magesters were trick gives it ground
The Black City is Kingdom Hearts
Here's a thought that no one has brought up: The dwarves turned the Golden City Black and created the Darkspawn.
Why did the Darkspawn originate in the Deep Roads instead of the surface? I say the dwarves started experimenting with red lyrium and used it to force themselves into the Fade and when they got their the red lyrium they were using curropted the city turning black and turning those dwarves into the first Darkspawn. That explains why the Darkspawn started in the Deeproads because that's where the dwarves where when they entered the fade and came back from now newly tainted.
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^^Not necessarily a bad theory. Perhaps there is some correlation between the loss of dwarves magic and the raising of the Veil. Perhaps a side effect or cost of raising the Veil was the loss of dwarven magic. They sacrificed their ability to dream in order to raise the Veil. Perhaps that is in and of itself, what sustains the Veil. And now that it begins to weaken, we have dwarves like Sandal regaining supernatural abilities unseen in dwarves since the Veil was raised.
Damn, you're on to something. So the theory that the Fade is a prison and the Veil is it's 'artificial' wall is a sound theory?
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Here's a thought that no one has brought up: The dwarves turned the Golden City Black and created the Darkspawn.
Why did the Darkspawn originate in the Deep Roads instead of the surface? I say the dwarves started experimenting with red lyrium and used it to force themselves into the Fade and when they got their the red lyrium they were using curropted the city turning black and turning those dwarves into the first Darkspawn. That explains why the Darkspawn started in the Deeproads because that's where the dwarves where when they entered the fade and came back from now newly tainted.
I don't think so. The dwarves have no connection to the fade what so ever. They did not lose it, they never had it.
^^Not necessarily a bad theory. Perhaps there is some correlation between the loss of dwarves magic and the raising of the Veil. Perhaps a side effect or cost of raising the Veil was the loss of dwarven magic. They sacrificed their ability to dream in order to raise the Veil. Perhaps that is in and of itself, what sustains the Veil. And now that it begins to weaken, we have dwarves like Sandal regaining supernatural abilities unseen in dwarves since the Veil was raised.
An interesting theory, but this would have had to happen long before the First Blight - to explain why the dwarves don't have anything recorded on it. Then, one has to wonder why it took so long for the dwarves to start having trouble with the Darkspawn.
Dwarves are not completely cut off. They can be possessed. They can enter the Fade. They are resistant to magic, not immune/invulnerable.
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I don't think so. The dwarves have no connection to the fade what so ever. They did not lose it, they never had it.
They lost it in exchange for their 'Stone Sense'. Lyrium exposure cut them off.
I don't think so. The dwarves have no connection to the fade what so ever. They did not lose it, they never had it.
Did you not read my comment? I said they used red lyrium to force their way into the fade. We know from the dwarven Warden that a powerful demon can force a dwarf into the fade so its only logical to believe that another powerful source of magic could do the same.
An interesting theory, but this would have had to happen long before the First Blight - to explain why the dwarves don't have anything recorded on it. Then, one has to wonder why it took so long for the dwarves to start having trouble with the Darkspawn.
Well, nobody knew about red lyrium either, and it was sitting in the Primeval Thaig for millennia. It's highly possible that dwarves did indeed have magic once upon a time.
Well, nobody knew about red lyrium either, and it was sitting in the Primeval Thaig for millennia. It's highly possible that dwarves did indeed have magic once upon a time.
I'm not saying they didn't - I'm saying it had to have happened long ago to explain why knowledge of even the thaig was lost. The dwarves seemed to be prolific record-keepers - you'd think they at least record something about the thaig to warn dwarves away.
I'm not saying they didn't - I'm saying it had to have happened long ago to explain why knowledge of even the thaig was lost. The dwarves seemed to be prolific record-keepers - you'd think they at least record something about the thaig to warn dwarves away.
Very true. It's just a theory, based on what I understand of the lore.
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I'm not saying they didn't - I'm saying it had to have happened long ago to explain why knowledge of even the thaig was lost. The dwarves seemed to be prolific record-keepers - you'd think they at least record something about the thaig to warn dwarves away.
Maybe they wanted to forget it. Maybe the Primeval Thaig predates the Castes and the Shaperate.
They lost it in exchange for their 'Stone Sense'. Lyrium exposure cut them off.
Remember qunari don't dream as well and they have mages.
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