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[DRTJR]

What is know about the Golden City/Black City thing is this; it looked Gold, Cory and friends went in and now it looks Black. My bet it's similar to Pandora's Box, it was opened one and Darkspawn came forth.

[snfonseka]

Magic works the same way for everyone. It's WOG. Same with the Fade stuff. 

We don't know that.

[CapivaRasgor]

I've always had the thought that the Golden City was a Pandora Box of sorts, glad to see I wasn't the only one. But here is another thought I had: What if the City is actually a prison made to contain a very powerful malevolent being? One that even contained could shape it's prison in the form of a Golden City in order to lure dreamers and spirits alike into breaching it.

 

That's what I personally think, the Old Gods were just as oblivious as the Magisters as to what the Golden City contained, they both fell to the ruse of it being Golden, the magisters sought to breach it out of a lust for power... the Old Gods hoped it could free them from their slumber. When they finally reached the city it turned out o be a corrupt fortress and not a city, the violation however wasn't enough to allow the malevolent entity to escape so it created the Blights to somehow facilitate it's escape. It could be that after five unsuccesful attempts it started to grow desperate and sought alternative means to escape, perhaps a plan involving the Breach? Or it also could mean that after five blights it grew powerful enough to influence dreamers more directly, provoking them into opening the Breach so when it forces it's way out of the black city it can cross to the mortal realm without difficulty. It's purely speculation, but I can't help but think that the Magisters, the Old Gods and the cycle of Blights are just pawns of a bigger game.

[Tiuwaz]

we all know that it was those filthy elves who really did it ; instigated by Fen'Harel

 

pointy ears = evil

[Tiuwaz]

Personally, I think the City in the Fade was a container for the taint. That is why it is at the center of the Fade away from everything. so that stuff isn't tainted.

One thing we need to remember about the Fade is that it isn't constant. The fade is shaped by the thoughts of people, demons, and spirits. When Rhys is in the Fade he gives meat to a spirit emulating a cat. He states that he created the meat out of nothing. Thought influences the fade. So there is some massive structure at the center of the fade for everyone, at some point people attach a belief that it contains something valuable, and in an attempt to emulate that something makes the city golden, or the belief of value makes it golden.

Once the City is reached, the Magisters see the city for what it really is. It isn't the throne of the Maker, it doesn't contain power, it contains the taint. That truth and realization is what made the city Black. It wasn't sin, there is no indication that being a bad person influences the fade. I don't think sin blackened the City, it was subconsciously done when the Magisters saw that there was nothing there but the taint.

 

 

thats actually a very good theory, best I have seen so far

(except my own "the elves did it!" )

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Maybe Zev performed an Antivan Milk Sandwich within the Golden City and corrupted it.

[Sleekshinobi]

Personally, I think the City in the Fade was a container for the taint. That is why it is at the center of the Fade away from everything. so that stuff isn't tainted.

One thing we need to remember about the Fade is that it isn't constant. The fade is shaped by the thoughts of people, demons, and spirits. When Rhys is in the Fade he gives meat to a spirit emulating a cat. He states that he created the meat out of nothing. Thought influences the fade. So there is some massive structure at the center of the fade for everyone, at some point people attach a belief that it contains something valuable, and in an attempt to emulate that something makes the city golden, or the belief of value makes it golden.

Once the City is reached, the Magisters see the city for what it really is. It isn't the throne of the Maker, it doesn't contain power, it contains the taint. That truth and realization is what made the city Black. It wasn't sin, there is no indication that being a bad person influences the fade. I don't think sin blackened the City, it was subconsciously done when the Magisters saw that there was nothing there but the taint.

 

I like this theory as well, as it would mean there is more behind the taint than we are originally told in origins. Avernus notes hint at this as well. They say there is something in the Black City, an answer to what the taint is.

[bairdduvessa]

has anyone said the rolling stones yet?  because i really wanted to make that reference 

[bairdduvessa]

What is know about the Golden City/Black City thing is this; it looked Gold, Cory and friends went in and now it looks Black. My bet it's similar to Pandora's Box, it was opened one and Darkspawn came forth.

maybe the term "golden" was corrupted by the telephone game.  it was originally the "black gold city, of texas tea" *cues the Beverley Hillbillies theme song

 

Cory was actually Mr Drysdale!!!!!

 

okay i know my jokes are lame

[The Real Lee]

we all know that it was those filthy elves who really did it ; instigated by Fen'Harel

 

pointy ears = evil

Damn those filthy knife-ears!

[Lorien19]

We don't know,whether the city was gold to begin with.

[The Real Lee]

We don't know,whether the city was gold to begin with.

 I don't think it was gold at first, but being a constant part of the fade that no one could reach, a belief of value made it look gold. After all, the fade is shaped by thoughts of both people and spirits.

[Daerog]

We know that the City was Gold just like we know the City is Black.

 

No one else has entered it, and the ones who did are believed to have turned into darkspawn. I don't think there were many interviews with darkspawn in those days.

 

No one has entered that city and returned as a reliable source. The only good source was Cory, and he believed it to be Golden beforehand, and that it became "Black ever since." So, sounds like it was not Black all the time. Cory's reveal about the City was in Hawke's time, long after the belief that the City is now Black.

 

I think the Mages looked at it, and saw that it was Golden, then the darkspawn came and when the mages looked at it, it was Black. So, they connected the dots and said the events are related.

[Lorien19]

The black/golden city is one of the most ambiguous parts of the lore.We don't know whether it was literally gold,whether the term is symbolic or even that a place like this even existed in the fade.
Especially considering the fact,that the fade is shaped by thoughts in the first place.
What we know however is that according to Corypheus,when the magisters entered the so-called city,it was already black and corrupted .

[MrMrPendragon]

Maybe Zev performed an Antivan Milk Sandwich within the Golden City and corrupted it.

 

I've always thought it takes more than one person to make an Antivan Milk Sandwich

[zenrockoutkast]

I've always had the thought that the Golden City was a Pandora Box of sorts, glad to see I wasn't the only one. But here is another thought I had: What if the City is actually a prison made to contain a very powerful malevolent being? One that even contained could shape it's prison in the form of a Golden City in order to lure dreamers and spirits alike into breaching it.

 

That's what I personally think, the Old Gods were just as oblivious as the Magisters as to what the Golden City contained, they both fell to the ruse of it being Golden, the magisters sought to breach it out of a lust for power... the Old Gods hoped it could free them from their slumber. When they finally reached the city it turned out o be a corrupt fortress and not a city, the violation however wasn't enough to allow the malevolent entity to escape so it created the Blights to somehow facilitate it's escape. It could be that after five unsuccesful attempts it started to grow desperate and sought alternative means to escape, perhaps a plan involving the Breach? Or it also could mean that after five blights it grew powerful enough to influence dreamers more directly, provoking them into opening the Breach so when it forces it's way out of the black city it can cross to the mortal realm without difficulty. It's purely speculation, but I can't help but think that the Magisters, the Old Gods and the cycle of Blights are just pawns of a bigger game.

 

My current theory is that the Maker is actually Elgar'nan, or possibly that the Maker is a myth altogether.  At any rate, I believe that the Black City is where Fen'Harel imprisoned the Creators (in the sky) and that the old gods are the Forgotten ones whom he buried beneath the earth.  The old gods then were able to manipulate the magisters of the Imperium into attacking their enemies, the Creators, in the Black City in the Fade.  What the taint is, however, I don't know.  Maybe it was a defense system Fen'Harel had in place and he cares about the Creators more than we think, maybe it was the Creators trying to turn the old gods into mindless monsters so that all of Thedas would attempt to kill them, maybe the old gods found some power in the Black City that the Creators had been trying to keep from them.

[MrDuck]

Oh I really hope we get some answers (and undoubtedly more questions) in Inquisition. The black/golden city is one of my favorite parts of the lore.

 

It's obvious that alot of stuff is connected. Like the singing of lyrium and the old gods. The old gods and the black city. Fen'Harel and the creators and forgotten ones. But as to how and why it's all connected is just so hard to find out.

[Feybrad]

The golden/black City

(...) shall submit to the Qun

[azarhal]

My current theory is that the Maker is actually Elgar'nan, or possibly that the Maker is a myth altogether.  At any rate, I believe that the Black City is where Fen'Harel imprisoned the Creators (in the sky) and that the old gods are the Forgotten ones whom he buried beneath the earth.  The old gods then were able to manipulate the magisters of the Imperium into attacking their enemies, the Creators, in the Black City in the Fade.  What the taint is, however, I don't know.  Maybe it was a defense system Fen'Harel had in place and he cares about the Creators more than we think, maybe it was the Creators trying to turn the old gods into mindless monsters so that all of Thedas would attempt to kill them, maybe the old gods found some power in the Black City that the Creators had been trying to keep from them.

 

Bold part: that's what the elves believes. Or at least what they believed before it turned black I guess, because the fall of Arlathan (which happened after the Creators disappeared) was centuries before the first blight happened.

 

There is one constant about the Gold/Black/Eternal city myths: there are voices coming from it. The old Magisters thought it was the old gods. The elves believe it is the Creators. Avernus still hear something because of the Taint.

[Reznore57]

I think the taint was always inside of the city ...and the city was golden .

The way I imagine things , this city was the remain of a very old world , the place where the veil was created and the taint was a byproduct of the creation of the veil.

I'm on full speculation mode here.

But I think some "gods" were sacrificed so lesser races could survive and grow.

So the outside was the hope for a better future (gold , light) , and the inside is the death of their gods.(darkness , corrupt)

It's sort of the duality of magic , it's a great power , it's a godlike power , but it can create and it can destroy as well.

Everytime a population gets really good at magic , it gets destroyed (Tevinter /Arlathan)

There's been a reign of anti magic , dragons getting killed , the Chantry.(with the chant of "light")..and now again the tide is changing.

 

I think people like Flemeth and possibly her counterpart in the fade (maybe Fen Harel) are busy trying to keep balance in the world and they influence events.(Like favoring humans , or elves , or the chantry etc at one time and then destroying them when that balance is theatened again)

And the Black city disaster was something they hadn't planned.My bet is some ancient elves tricked the magisters.

[DuskWanderer]

My theory is that Dumat made the city look golden with magic, an illusion perhaps. They were powerful, godlike beings, simple spells shouldn't be too difficult for them to do. Perhaps Dumat thought there would be great power in the city he could tap into, and he sent the magisters there in case they were trapped. Making it look golden would simply make it look appealing. 

 

After Corypheus and company went there, they saw it black from the inside, came back, and Dumat was corrupted by the taint, a mindless force of destruction with no more nuance. Thus, the illusion fell, and the city became the black it always was. 

[HellaciousHutch]

I'm putting money on Flemeth. In fact, I'd put a lot of money on Flemeth being one of the main antagonists (if not THE MAIN antagonist) of the entire Dragon Age universe. The only thing that doesn't make sense with this bet is the fact she helped both protagonists of the former games, and it would be rather...iffy if she was the supreme antagonist and helped protagonists in the past, not to mention she said she couldn't hold out against the Blight forever in Origins, and that she couldn't stop Morrigan and company from killing her 'hermit form'.

 

You'd think a person who has the power to reach the Golden/Black City wouldn't be defeated and overcome so easily.