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[godModeAlpha]

Hello All.

 

I would not like to waste your time, so straight to the point. Why is there a lack of diversity in the human race in Thedas?

 

In DA:I, the diversity of companions and advisors is worthy of praise, I thank Bioware for trying to represent people of Colour.

 

BUT, What about world of Thedas? Where are all the people of colour?

 

Some in this forum will not finish reading this post and reply saying what about the Ravaini? I say thats great because that explains where Josephine and Dorian come from.

 

However where exactly does Vivienne come from? why have we not seen more than the odd person of colour in a random dungeon?

 

These things are easily overlooked, like in DA:O if you decided to flow with a noble warden who was not white, your Cousland family was still white ... I easily overlooked this, I told myself my warden was adopted by the Couslands.

 

However as this is the 3rd DA Game, I am posting this to encourage Bioware to explore equality fully not just sexual orientation but also put more effort into being fair about the human race in Thedas.

[CuriousArtemis]

Q: I had a question regarding Vivienne. I notice that she is Black. Will there be a variety of races in the game. Previously most of the people you would run into were white by nature. Will she be the only black person in the game or will there be more?
A: Plenty more. Frostbite handles all skin tone a lot better than Eclipse did. (ML)

[syllogi]

I'd really love to see areas off the map we already know in future games, or at least hear about them.  The current map is obviously not the entire planet, and from what I understand, it's only the southern hemisphere of one continent.  It would be really great to see other continents that aren't Fantasy!Medieval!Europe-esque.

[Feybrad]

The Reason we didn't see very many Persons of Color is, because we have thus far bisited only the southern, colder parts of Thedas. Ferelden is often cited as an Analogue to Britain in the middle Ages, and Kirkwall, sitting on the other Side of the waking Sea is likely comparable in Climate to a hanseatic City with a little more forgiving Climate. The further you go north, towards the Equator of Thedas the darker the Skin Tones become. Likely Persons from Rivain, Antiva, Tevinter, the Anderfels and Par Vollen have darker Skin Complexions.

 

However, the REAL reason is just that the old Engines absolutely sucked when it came to showing of darker Skin Tones.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well Scribbles/Josephine seems to be a person of color, (even though unlike the earlier pictures of her she doesn't look "black" per say). This is possibly because she's Antivan, but I think she's also the first Antivan who looks that way.

[Herr Uhl]

Well Scribbles seems to be a person of color, (even though unlike the earlier pictures of her she doesn't look "black" per say). This is possibly because she's Antivan, but I think she's also the first Antivan who looks that way.

 

Zevran looks pretty similar in skin colour to her screenshot.

[Xilizhra]

Hello All.

 

I would not like to waste your time, so straight to the point. Why is there a lack of diversity in the human race in Thedas?

 

In DA:I, the diversity of companions and advisors is worthy of praise, I thank Bioware for trying to represent people of Colour.

 

BUT, What about world of Thedas? Where are all the people of colour?

 

Some in this forum will not finish reading this post and reply saying what about the Ravaini? I say thats great because that explains where Josephine and Dorian come from.

 

However where exactly does Vivienne come from? why have we not seen more than the odd person of colour in a random dungeon?

 

These things are easily overlooked, like in DA:O if you decided to flow with a noble warden who was not white, your Cousland family was still white ... I easily overlooked this, I told myself my warden was adopted by the Couslands.

 

However as this is the 3rd DA Game, I am posting this to encourage Bioware to explore equality fully not just sexual orientation but also put more effort into being fair about the human race in Thedas.

Vivienne's race seems most likely to hail from Seheron.

[SnakeCode]

Well Scribbles/Josephine seems to be a person of color, (even though unlike the earlier pictures of her she doesn't look "black" per say). This is possibly because she's Antivan, but I think she's also the first Antivan who looks that way.

Zevran was pretty dark skinned wasn't he?

[CuriousArtemis]

Well Scribbles/Josephine seems to be a person of color, (even though unlike the earlier pictures of her she doesn't look "black" per say). This is possibly because she's Antivan, but I think she's also the first Antivan who looks that way.

 

It's because of the lighting; confirmed via Twitter that her skin was not lightened.

[daveliam]

I would also really like to learn about the other cultures so we can get a better sense of the ethnicities from each.

 

And, agreed, I'd like to see more diversity in the humans as well.  The only PoC companions in three games were Isabela, Dorian, and Vivienne, right? 

[Battlebloodmage]

I hope to run into more Asian males in the game. They need more representation in the media in general.

[NoForgiveness]

There isn't really an "Africa" or "Asia" or any other place in the world(not yet at least). Thedas represents Europe. Which was pretty much all white people with some darker skin tones in the southern areas. Going for equality is fine and all but the fact remains that there's no continent(that we know of) that represents any other real life continent.

[Daerog]

What Feybrad said... although it's more than just climate that plays a role, as natives to northern America and natives to northern Europe are not exactly the same skin tone. Anyway, it's really just how humans evolved in Thedas, if they evolved at all with this being fantasy.

 

There were like 8 tribes of humans that came to Thedas, right? One died out, some just mingled a lot with the others, some split up, but there are certainly a lot of ethnicities in Thedas to explore, although I'm not sure how much skin tone applies to ethnicities in Thedas.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Zevran was pretty dark skinned wasn't he?

 

He never struck me as being particularly dark skinned; but even if he is, he's an elf. His skin tone is irrelevant to the skin tone of ethnic Antivans because if he had any ancestry in common with them he'd be human.

[Deviija]

I'd love to see more people of color among the humans in our DA games, absolutely.  We have such a thriving beautiful diversity in life that it's unfortunate we hardly ever see such represented in the majority of our games.

 

I would absolutely love a game set in Rivain.  

[Battlebloodmage]

There isn't really an "Africa" or "Asia" or any other place in the world(not yet at least). Thedas represents Europe. Which was pretty much all white people with some darker skin tones in the southern areas. Going for equality is fine and all but the fact remains that there's no continent(that we know of) that represents any other real life continent.

We don't know which period it is, but even in the old days, Europe and Eastern have come into contact and they traded stuffs like silks and spices. It's not strange to see some visitors from the Eastern side. I don't see the Wizard to be out of place in Diablo, so I don't see any Eastern descent characters in DA considering there are evidence of trade routes between the two continents for a very long time ago.

[Who Knows]

It's a fictional world, there's no reason you can't have diversity.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's because of the lighting; confirmed via Twitter that her skin was not lightened.

 

I figured as much.

[Cat Fancy]

I don't know where Vivienne comes from. I'd like to see more black people in Thedas, but I don't really expect it. Humans are apparently migrants to Thedas. It's unclear how recent this is, but it's at least several thousand years. Perhaps, much like Earth, most black and Asian people (and the majority of humans) are still on humanity's original continent, with immunities to (fantasy) Old World diseases which will decimate the defenseless, mostly white/Middle-Eastern/North African Thedosians once they contact each other. One can only hope!

[Battlebloodmage]

I don't know where Vivienne comes from. I'd like to see more black people in Thedas, but I don't really expect it. Humans are apparently migrants to Thedas. It's unclear how recent this is, but it's at least several thousand years. Perhaps, much like Earth, most black and Asian people (and the majority of humans) are still on humanity's original continent, with immunities to (fantasy) Old World diseases which will decimate the defenseless, mostly white/Middle-Eastern/North African Thedas. One can only hope.

Poor white people.

[CuriousArtemis]

I don't know where Vivienne comes from. I'd like to see more black people in Thedas, but I don't really expect it. 

 

I'll just post this again

 

Q: I had a question regarding Vivienne. I notice that she is Black. Will there be a variety of races in the game. Previously most of the people you would run into were white by nature. Will she be the only black person in the game or will there be more?
A: Plenty more. Frostbite handles all skin tone a lot better than Eclipse did. (ML)

[Han Shot First]

There isn't really an "Africa" or "Asia" or any other place in the world(not yet at least). Thedas represents Europe. Which was pretty much all white people with some darker skin tones in the southern areas. Going for equality is fine and all but the fact remains that there's no continent(that we know of) that represents any other real life continent.

 

In medieval Europe you had you had Mongols in the East, North Africans and Arabs in parts of Spain, and Turks in the Balkans. Beyond that you also had Arab traders in Italian ports and a delegation of Ethiopians that visited the Pope in Rome. So it isn't entirely true that the only people ever in Europe during the medieval period were white.

 

In any case, Thedas isn't medieval Europe. The Rivaini have skin tones that can range from tan to ebony, so there are black people living in Thedas. The main difference between Thedas and Europe is that Thedas seems to be in its world's southern hemisphere, with the northern regions of the continent having a more equatorial climate. Most of the darker skinned people might live in the north in that case, rather than the south.

[NoForgiveness]

We don't know which period it is, but even in the old days, Europe and Eastern have come into contact and they traded stuffs like silks and spices. It's not strange to see some visitors from the Eastern side. I don't see the Wizard to be out of place in Diablo, so I don't see any Eastern descent characters in DA considering there are evidence of trade routes between the two continents for a very long time ago.

 

Im not saying its necessarily out of place but I can see valid arguments for having or not having a lot of racial diversity.  

[Cat Fancy]

Was careless of me to pass over the second post! (also to use that "where Vivienne comes from" language but it's already been quoted a few times. I know she's Orlesian.)

 

I have a few scattered thoughts about race and diversity in Thedas. They don't classify humans racially like we do, which is fair enough, because race in the Western world has some fairly specific history behind it. Humans, elves, and dwarves are considered different races. (is that supposed to mean species, too?) They can reproduce with each other (or at least, both can with humans). Elf-blooded humans are considered fully human, and not supposed to look like elves, even though Feynriel totally does. Is Feynriel's appearance a mistake? If not, do elves pass no phenotypical traits on to their children with humans? If an elf of color had a child with a white human, would that child just look white? I've "spoiler" "tagged" the following "question" because some people might care:

 

Spoiler

Alistair's mother was an elf. Was Alistair supposed to be a person of color, but they just couldn't render it with the old engine?

 

Yes. Yes. The answer to all of those questions is "yes."

[Grieving Natashina]

Im not saying its necessarily out of place but I can see valid arguments for having or not having a lot of racial diversity.  

Okay, aside from things such as "no Asia of Thedas for Asian looking characters can come from" (which hey, I think is a crap reason to leave out an entire ethnic group with the exception of one or two NPCs that might look Asian, but what do I know)  what you do consider to be a valid argument?