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In Ash's youtube video she said that companions can leave if you make them mad.

 No!! Thats the one thing i didn't want from the companions is that if you ****** them off they can leave, because now I need to tread a fine line again just like Origins.

 



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/shrug....

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Its been said that you really REALLY need to ****** them off in order for this to happen, pretty much going out of your way to do so. I doubt its as simple as slipping up once and off they go, abandoning the Inquisition. They are in this to save Thedas so i doubt  snarky comments will be what sends them on their way


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Its been said that you really REALLY need to ****** them off in order for this to happen, pretty much going out of your way to do so. I doubt its as simple as slipping up once and off they go, abandoning the Inquisition. They are in this to save Thedas so i doubt  snarky comments will be what sends them on their way

 Well that is something I guess.  It is just when I roleplay ruthless I don't want compantions getting upset and  leaving "he killed all chickens in Thedas and I love me a chicken sandwich, Im out of here!!" lol

 I mean come on in most these games it is a world ending event and you are sweating the small stuff!



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One of my favourite things in DAII (which is admittedly a pretty short list) was being able to be an openly pro-magic character, and have Fenris snark at me about it, but still ultimately respect me and my descisions (once he was at full rivalry, at least).

 

If Fenris had left just because I happened to be a mage who (for some crazy reason) supported other mages and their plight, I would have been a little ticked off (not least because he my only other warrior option was Aveline, who was a good friend to my Hawke, but seemed more suited to running the city guard than being a party member).



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 Well that is something I guess.  It is just when I roleplay ruthless I don't want compantions getting upset and  leaving "he killed all chickens in Thedas and I love me a chicken sandwich, Im out of here!!" lol

 I mean come on in most these games it is a world ending event and you are sweating the small stuff!

You're assuming that its small issues that will get them to leave, more than likely it will be issues similar to DA:O where if you do something very significant, they will oppose the decision (Wynne fighting you when you agree to call the Right of Annulment, Leliana fighting you when you decide to defile the ashes of Andraste)


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You're assuming that its small issues that will get them to leave, more than likely it will be issues similar to DA:O where if you do something very significant, they will oppose the decision (Wynne fighting you when you agree to call the Right of Annulment, Leliana fighting you when you decide to defile the ashes of Andraste)

My point is that when it comes to a end of the world scenario anything else is a small issue no matter what this issue is!

If we don't win nothing your companions care about will matter at all and thus leaving because your upset is silly.



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My point is that when it comes to a end of the world scenario anything else is a small issue no matter what this issue is!

If we don't win nothing your companions care about will matter at all and thus leaving because your upset is silly.

Not necessarily, lets say Sera is their to represent and protect her people, then something comes along that forces the Inquisitor to choose between an elven tribe or resources for the Army, if you choose the resources, Sera may decide that she no longer wants to associate herself with a leader who'd rather attain resources than protect the innocent. There are plenty of issues that can make these companions decide to leave 



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Not necessarily, lets say Sera is their to represent and protect her people, then something comes along that forces the Inquisitor to choose between an elven tribe or resources for the Army, if you choose the resources, Sera may decide that she no longer wants to associate herself with a leader who'd rather attain resources than protect the innocent. There are plenty of issues that can make these companions decide to leave 

And if the resources were the deciding  factor in winning war ether way her people are going die . Besides that is just one group "needs of the many vs needs of a few"



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My point is that when it comes to a end of the world scenario anything else is a small issue no matter what this issue is!
If we don't win nothing your companions care about will matter at all and thus leaving because your upset is silly.


Ruthless people shouldn't care about people leaving. Though I think you should see companions joining other factions that are more aligned with their view if they leave and you may end up facing them on the battlefield.
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And if the resources were the deciding  factor in winning war ether way her people are going die . Besides that is just one group "needs of the many vs needs of a few"

You're missing my point, not everyone is going to see eye to eye on how to lead the Inquisition. This naturally leads to major disagreements therefore, people will leave. You're saying everything is minor compared to the grand scheme of things but not everyone agrees on what the "grand scheme" is, if all an elf cares about his their people, why would they sacrifice their lives for everyone else to live. 

 

Not everyone shares the same priorities which will lead to conflicting objectives 



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Ruthless people shouldn't care about people leaving. Though I think you should companions joining other factions that are more aligned with their view if they leave and you end up facing them on the battlefield.

Well it would be like losing a war asset to them so I think they would care to some extent. "Facing companions on the battlefield" Now that is  a interesting thought! hmm



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It was stated, you could go all the way down to one person who wont leave while rest could. But have to do it on purpose.

 

I will redit after watching video. But was going by E3 presentations. Have to focus on getting rid of them is what I understood when listening to them talk in E3.



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You're missing my point, not everyone is going to see eye to eye on how to lead the Inquisition. This naturally leads to major disagreements therefore, people will leave. You're saying everything is minor compared to the grand scheme of things but not everyone agrees on what the "grand scheme" is, if all an elf cares about his their people, why would they sacrifice their lives for everyone else to live. 

 

Not everyone shares the same priorities which will lead to conflicting objectives 

Does not matter if they see eye to eye, the Inquisition is the only way to stop the end and the player char has the only power to shut the gates to the fade. Leaving him or her could or will guaranty all the elven deaths anyway. Better to save some then lose the all.



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Does not matter if they see eye to eye, the Inquisition is the only way to stop the end and the player char has the only power to shut the gates to the fade. Leaving him or her could or will guaranty all the elven deaths anyway. Better to save some then lose the all.

You're making that conclusion based on your own opinion, fact is not all the companions think like you nor hold the same priorities as you. I m just repeating myself at this point.

 

The inquisition is not the only means of stopping the chaos, it is the best available option. If a companion decides you are unfit in their eyes, then they'll probably seek out some other means of defeating the chaos (that would most likely not work).


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You're making that conclusion based on your own opinion, fact is not all the companions think like you nor hold the same priorities as you. I m just repeating myself at this point.

 

The inquisition is not the only means of stopping the chaos, it is the best available option. If a companion decides you are unfit in their eyes, then they'll probably seek out some other means of defeating the chaos (that would most likely not work).

Well we will just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.



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You have to do it on purpose to get rid of them all.



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I gotta say, I could name several things that would make me(if I was a companion) just up and ditch if the warden/Hawke did them. Even if it is the end of the world(which it isn't quite yet). There's only so much someone can take before they decide they'd rather not have any part of the inquisition.
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Well it would be like losing a war asset to them so I think they would care to some extent.


If you are deliberately making a decision that will upset a companion, then you must have weighed the benefits of that decision and decided that it's worth more to you than keeping the goodwill of that companion. That is what it means to be ruthless. Maybe you're not as ruthless as you think? ;) (Softie...)
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My ruthless character will try to ruin everyone's days as much as possible.  :)


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Am i the only one who was REALLY pleased by this?


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I just hope I don't miss someone in first play thru. I'm pleased to know my ruthless character will end up with just one left, that is smaller than the previous two games I could get down to, and may need the guide to cause it to happen. :)

 

So yes I am pleased to hear about disapprovals, cause that means every choice is important and can have consequences.


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If you are deliberately making a decision that will upset a companion, then you must have weighed the benefits of that decision and decided that it's worth more to you than keeping the goodwill of that companion. That is what it means to be ruthless. Maybe you're not as ruthless as you think? ;) (Softie...)

LOL......anyway. It would not be personal just to make them mad. Just might be a better outcome for the war effort



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I just hope I don't miss someone in first play thru. I'm pleased to know my ruthless character will end up with just one left, that is smaller than the previous two games I could get down to, and may need the guide to cause it to happen. :)

 

So yes I am pleased to hear about disapprovals, cause that means every choice is important and can have consequences.

 

Yeah but if they are gone you don't get to hear them whine and that is half the fun ;)



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I was happy because it kinda irked me how no matter how evil i wanted to be my companions never left me. I mean, Fenris respecting you as a rival becuase you're pro mage is reasonable, I doubt even in DAO he'd up and leave you for that, he'd just be disappointed but I mean, Night Terrors. You literally, can side with the demon and sell Feynriel out. That is so much fucked up that I'm surprised that nobody reacts too negatively about it, it's literally forgive and forget. It's decisions like that that should have a consequence that involves a companion wanting to leave and not be associated.

 

And for the record, even if the world is ending, who's to say that the person who left can't gather their own alliance, blah blah find their own solution. Just because you're the last hope doesn't mean you're gonna succeed. Personally if the "last hope" was a total douche I'd leave him, I'd rather die than work with a person I just couldn't work with, which is what DAI is doing I assume. LIke everyone said, i doubt they'd leave over small things, you'd have to personally try to kick them out and antagonize them to ****** them off for them to leave. I assume is how it's gonna work. Which would make sense.