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[themageguy]

I wonder if seekers know how to use lyrium without its addictive side effects.
perhaps its a more elaborate ritual, or maybe a different type of lyrium?

Will be looking forward to what Cassandra says about it.

[Adhin]

It probably involves not using it ritually. I mean, the powers 'fade over time'... like a long time. I have a feeling Templars take the stuff daily or weekly which would have some bad results down the road. If you could do it once a year that'd be a little less of an issue, right? Or at least I'd assume so, and if it takes years for it to fade then yeah.

 

Least that's how it always seemed to me with Templars. Like they take it ritualistically regardless if it's required in that amount of time. It's a semi-means of control guised as a requirement.

 

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That said, Cass' Templar specialization description makes me chuckle. Just kinda sounds like another work around for the companions and players not having to deal with Lyrium.

[Icy Magebane]

It probably involves not using it ritually. I mean, the powers 'fade over time'... like a long time. I have a feeling Templars take the stuff daily or weekly which would have some bad results down the road. If you could do it once a year that'd be a little less of an issue, right? Or at least I'd assume so, and if it takes years for it to fade then yeah.

 

Least that's how it always seemed to me with Templars. Like they take it ritualistically regardless if it's required in that amount of time. It's a semi-means of control guised as a requirement.

 

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That said, Cass' Templar specialization description makes me chuckle. Just kinda sounds like another work around for the companions and players not having to deal with Lyrium.

Pretty much...

[mikeymoonshine]

That has been retconned for years has Alistair having no idea what he was talking about because he was never a full long term Templar. You don't lose your ability right away when you stop taking lyrium, but they eventually fade away.

 

Ah, I did not know that. I hope they explain how Cassandra is somehow avoid lyrium addiction then. 

[azarhal]

Ah, I did not know that. I hope they explain how Cassandra is somehow avoid lyrium addiction then. 

 

I'm still amazed by people who haven't heard of the retcon. It ruffled some feathers back then. And Lukas (a writer) said Cassandra will explain it.

[mikeymoonshine]

I'm still amazed by people who haven't heard of the retcon. It ruffled some feathers back then. And Lukas (a writer) said Cassandra will explain it.

 

When was it retconned? 

[The Elder King]

When was it retconned?

In the comics.

[ZerioctheTank]

*drums fingers while waiting for there......excuse*

[Yggdrasil]

This is probably been brought up before, but the text says Cassandra isn't addicted to lyrium.  It never says (I don't think) that she doesn't use it.  Most people can drink socially without being addicted to alcohol.

[Hellion Rex]

This is probably been brought up before, but the text says Cassandra isn't addicted to lyrium.  It never says (I don't think) that she doesn't use it.  Most people can drink socially without being addicted to alcohol.

Indeed. I think she still uses it, but the Seekers have learned how to circumvent the addiction part.

[VilhoDog13]

*drums fingers while waiting for there......excuse*

Their*

Sorry. That was bothering me. Continue.

[themageguy]

Indeed. I think she still uses it, but the Seekers have learned how to circumvent the addiction part.

I agree with this.

[mikeymoonshine]

In the comics.

 

I meant like how long ago was it an issue on the forum?  Because I have not been part of the fan community for that long (I used to just ignore fan communities). I did read the comics though so I guess I just didn't notice it, or I forgot. 

 

 

Indeed. I think she still uses it, but the Seekers have learned how to circumvent the addiction part.

 

As Adhin was sort of saying eariler, it could be to do with how often it is taken. Maybe the Templars don't really need to take lyrium as often as they do but they are made to by the chantry to keep them addicted and therefore make it easier to control them. 

[TheFastestManAlive]

Probably too late to bring this up, but why make Fade Step a Winter Spell? Cold is the opposite of fast (I should know!). Why not make it a lightning spell?

[themageguy]

Probably too late to bring this up, but why make Fade Step a Winter Spell? Cold is the opposite of fast (I should know!). Why not make it a lightning spell?

possibly to balance out the number of spells in the different school trees. Winter would have too few, and storm too many.


Another reason, at least how i see it, is that the circle mages tend to be very proficient with winter magics, and the technique to surround oneself with energies to move ahead screams of a higher standard of learning. Learning that a circle mage or keeper, has access to.
In that regard, i notice that with the exception of turian havoc soldiers, the alliance are the only group that tends to utilise cryo weaponry in the mass effect universe. Just a little thing i noticed

[TheFastestManAlive]

possibly to balance out the number of spells in the different school trees. Winter would have too few, and storm too many.

 

Still couldn't they swap one of the lightning spells for Fade Step. My arch-nemesis is the Man who Mastered Absolute Zero and I'm the Fastest Man Alive. He uses a cryo gun and my powers come from a bolt of lightning. It's so wrong.

[themageguy]

Still couldn't they swap one of the lightning spells for Fade Step. My arch-nemesis is the Man That Mastered Absolute Zero and I'm the Fastest Man Alive. He uses a cryo gun and my powers come from a bolt of lightning. It's so wrong.

In pretty sure there is an upgrade for fade step where an icy trail is left behind you.
which is pretty neato.

[TheFastestManAlive]

Next game Fade Step goes to the lightning tree and immobilization spells go to the winter tree. It makes more sense that way.

[Xilizhra]

Why did they mutilate fire spells? They took out the remarkably iconic Fireball and, perhaps even worse (because we at least have Immolate to replace Fireball) moved Fire Storm to the Rift Mage tree.

[Adhin]

Winter tree 'does' have immobilization spells. Unless you mean the Lightning Cage? In which case no, no it doesn't make sense. Cold Spells don't shock or stun people. They freeze them, of which they have plenty of them. Far as I'm concerned, they could of put Fade Step into ANY tree and done an upgrade that makes sense for it. For whatever reason they went with winter. Maybe they just thought a cold trail was cooler then fire or lightning or whatever they'd do with Spirit (probably a personal barrier).

[TheFastestManAlive]

Winter tree 'does' have immobilization spells. Unless you mean the Lightning Cage? In which case no, no it doesn't make sense. Cold Spells don't shock or stun people. They freeze them, of which they have plenty of them. Far as I'm concerned, they could of put Fade Step into ANY tree and done an upgrade that makes sense for it. For whatever reason they went with winter. Maybe they just thought a cold trail was cooler then fire or lightning or whatever they'd do with Spirit (probably a personal barrier).

 

Fade Step being in Winter makes no sense. Whatsoever. Cold is literally a reduction in kinetic energy. The absence of heat. The colder something gets the slower it's particles move. Why would a spell that makes the caster move at the speed of sound be found in the Winter tree? That makes less sense than altering Lightning Cage to match the Winter aesthetic. 

[themageguy]

Why did they mutilate fire spells? They took out the remarkably iconic Fireball and, perhaps even worse (because we at least have Immolate to replace Fireball) moved Fire Storm to the Rift Mage tree.

But they gave us wall of flame and a ridiculously powerful fire glyph.

And as the meteors are coming from nowhere other than the fade, it makes sense its a rift magic spell.

That being said, i wonder if firestorm does do fire damage....perhaps inferno passives might add greater damage to the spell.

As for fade step....i like it. I played Kingdom of Amalur and enjoyed the ice blink skill so of course im actually quite happy to see it in winter.

Though if it were inferno ... That would look pretty awesome leaving a trail of flame behind you.

[Xilizhra]

But they gave us wall of flame and a ridiculously powerful fire glyph.

And as the meteors are coming from nowhere other than the fade, it makes sense its a rift magic spell.

That being said, i wonder if firestorm does do fire damage....perhaps inferno passives might add greater damage to the spell.

Doesn't all magic come from the Fade? Why would Firestorm be different from Wall of Fire?

[Morroian]

Why did they mutilate fire spells? They took out the remarkably iconic Fireball and, perhaps even worse (because we at least have Immolate to replace Fireball) moved Fire Storm to the Rift Mage tree.

 

Cause they clearly never developed an overall tree framework and have ended up shoehorning abilities in where they have to. Goes along with why mutilate all mage abilities apart from elemental abilities. And still we don't have a detailed explanation for the changes. 

[themageguy]

Doesn't all magic come from the Fade? Why would Firestorm be different from Wall of Fire?

Firestorm is different to wall of fire as with firestorm (in inquisition) you're pulling these fiery meteors from the fade.
Wall of flame would be energy.

In the rift mages description, it describes the mage summoning matter from the fade as well as using the fade itself to attack enemies. That's why to me, at least it fits in with what rift magic is all about.

I remember playing legacy dlc for the first time in dragon age 2, and seeing Janeka cast a wall of flame and thinking, if she and Bethany can do it, i hope i get to in the next game my mage can cast it.

Now i can cast a wall of flame OR ice