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#4051
Hellion Rex

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Can someone explain the difference between guard and armour, and how they relate? 

As thrilled as I am to see the Vanguard skill tree, I'm a bit confused on it all  :huh:

Armor refers to the actual defense afforded to you by your physical armor that you choose to wear. Each piece of armor has an "armor rating", that shows much it will defend you.



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Can someone explain the difference between guard and armour, and how they relate? 

As thrilled as I am to see the Vanguard skill tree, I'm a bit confused on it all  :huh:

 

Armor is armor. You know the defensive rating of your equipment that affects damage mitigation.

 

Guard is a special HP bar that warriors have(and I believe other classes can get to but only through special means). Using that increase guard through the use of abilities.

 

Guard is a permanent resource that lasts until its destroyed but can only be gained through combat. It looks like a bunch of silver bars over your normal HP bar.

 

As for the connection between them, since guard acts like HP it can be affected by the damage mitigation abilities of armor.



#4053
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@LaughingWolf : Armor is what it's always been, the armor you wear and it directly effects how much damage you take per hit. I'm not sure if it's direct DR or armor converted into a percent but I'm mildly sure it's converted into a percent. Hopefully a static calculation and not something that alters with level because thats stupid, and dumb, and crap so... i hate when games do that. I mean it's already a percent, just make low lvl armor be like 20-30 and high lvl armor be 50-80...not that hard, no need to make it get crappier blah blah /rant.

 

Guard is temporary health (no duration, stays till it gets dmged away). It's speculated (and probably right) that your max guard is the same as your max life. Guard is, just like health, effected by your armor so the 200% armor bonus for 10 seconds from War Cry upgrade will mean the guard you gain from it will ultimately last longer. Also that 25% bonus guard seems like it means you'll be able to have Guard reach out 25% more then your max HP would otherwise allow.

 

For tanking your gonna want a lot of armor, and a means or 3 to generate guard effectively and often. Think of it like a preemptive heal that's not really healing you.

 

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#4054
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My beautiful peers of the skill thread, it is time for many of us to abandon our flock because the huge spoilers have made their way to the forums. I've tried to stay here as long as possible. I will only be visiting this thread from now until after I beat the game. Please, for all those who are braver than I am, find the rest of the skills, upgrades, and specializations!

I think I can say for all who won't risk watching the new videos for spoilers that we greatly appreciate the risk you guys take. Maker bless you all
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#4055
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My beautiful peers of the skill thread, it is time for many of us to abandon our flock because the huge spoilers have made their way to the forums. I've tried to stay here as long as possible. I will only be visiting this thread from now until after I beat the game. Please, for all those who are braver than I am, find the rest of the skills, upgrades, and specializations!

I think I can say for all who won't risk watching the new videos for spoilers that we greatly appreciate the risk you guys take. Maker bless you all

Don't worry. We shall brave the terrible spoilers to bring forth the treasure of hallowed screenshots!


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#4056
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The passive that I'm looking at "It'll Cost You" sounds interesting but I'm confused. It stated that any enemy that damages you in melee range takes 15% of that damage. Does that mean if they damage your health or BOTH guard & health. With the huge emphasis on guard in the vanguard tree I hope it is the later.

Unbowed doesn't tickle my fancy as a SnB tank just yet. I'm not sure how quickly our guard will be destroyed & how quickly we can build it up. With shield wall I feel like I can build the same amount of guard & protect myself from harm at the same time. Unbowed on the other hand could allow me to have that oh @#$& button & maybe allow me to be more active than hiding behind my shield. I still feel that shield wall with the damage reduction & guard generation will be more effective but I could always be proven wrong.

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The passive that I'm looking at "It'll Cost You" sounds interesting but I'm confused. It stated that any enemy that damages you in melee range takes 15% of that damage. Does that mean if they damage your health or BOTH guard & health. With the huge emphasis on guard in the vanguard tree I hope it is the later.

Unbowed doesn't tickle my fancy as a SnB tank just yet. I'm not sure how quickly our guard will be destroyed & how quickly we can build it up. With shield wall I feel like I can build the same amount of guard & protect myself from harm at the same time. Unbowed on the other hand could allow me to have that oh @#$& button & maybe allow me to be more active than hiding behind my shield. I still feel that shield wall with the damage reduction & guard generation will be more effective but I could always be proven wrong.

For It'll Cost You, it means that whenever you are hit, guard or no, they too will take damage. It doesn't matter if you have guard up or not.



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Don't worry. We shall brave the terrible spoilers to bring forth the treasure of hallowed screenshots!


My hero(es) ❤
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#4059
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For It'll Cost You, it means that whenever you are hit, guard or no, they too will take damage. It doesn't matter if you have guard up or not.


You're probably right I was worried that such a good passive could go to waste. Those 2handed wannabe tank marshmallows will enjoy that since they're like pieces of thin see thru paper blowing in the wind lol jk.

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HOLY EXPLETIVE SINCE WHEN DOES SOLAS HAVE RESURGENCE?!?!?!?!!??

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#4061
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HOLY EXPLETIVE SINCE WHEN DOES SOLAS HAVE RESURGENCE?!?!?!?!!??
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Perhaps we can pick our focus abilities.

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#4063
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OMG!!! WHERE DID YOU FIND THOSE?!?!



#4064
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Ok:

 

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#4065
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HOLY EXPLETIVE SINCE WHEN DOES SOLAS HAVE RESURGENCE?!?!?!?!!??

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O.o

1. We can pick our focus skill (although didn't the devs say that Resurgence was in the KE tree?) - or:

2. This is solely for demo purposes? Or something like that?

:o



#4066
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One more:

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#4067
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I used the album created by nighthood to quickly slap together a new one with all the new talents. It's very poorly put together but should do the trick until someone does a better job of it. Let me know if I missed any.

 

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#4068
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That Emprise de Lyon demo looks old to me. Old icons for spells (lightning bolt is now spirit bolt, not a cloud), and double daggers abilities are now orange, not purple.

 

So I'm guessing it's an older build.

 

But yaaaaaaaaaaaaay, Resurgence!

 

Also, somehow, am deeply sad that Winter's Grasp is only 200% damage as opposed to everything else being 300%. Though I guess you gotta take the crowd control aspect into account as well.



#4069
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Gore and trample!!!! GORE AND #&$&#&#&@ing TRAMPLE!!! Hell yes!! Hell Yes!!! Omg I didn't think.....I'm gonna cry...oh maker I can't take this right now. Do you guys see that? Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes! Everything looks so good right now. What do I pick?

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Gore and trample!!!! GORE AND #&$&#&#&@ing TRAMPLE!!! Hell yes!! Hell Yes!!! Omg I didn't think.....I'm gonna cry...oh maker I can't take this right now. Do you guys see that? Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes! Everything looks so good right now. What do I pick?

Holy explitiving explitives! 

 

Gore and trample you magnificent ability! oooohohohoho how I'm going to abuse you :D

 

chain -> war cry -> charging bull -> tremor -> whirwind until everything dies -> reaver the final enemy for hp -> repeat



#4071
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Oh lord, it looks like you'll be invulnerable if you're a SnB/Vanguard warrior. To hell with being a rogue, I want to be a 3 foot walking tank. 



#4072
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Oh lord, it looks like you'll be invulnerable if you're a SnB/Vanguard warrior. To hell with being a rogue, I want to be a 3 foot walking tank.


I think the dwarves are a bit more taller than 3 feet lol. With charging bull & that sexy upgrade I don't see any reason to use lunge & slash. CB hits more than one target, generates guard and there is crowd control that comes with it. I haven't seen L&S in action (at least I don't remember) but I'm sure it does more damage especially 15 meters or farther with the upgrade (I think it is 15 meters). So unless I need to take L&S to grab something important I'm going to skip that ability.

#4073
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"Warrior's Resolve: Gain stamina when you lose health, 10% stamina for every 10% health lost"

 

Will guard count as health? Or will it only proc when I lose it from my actual health bar?



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"Warrior's Resolve: Gain stamina when you lose health, 10% stamina for every 10% health lost"

 

Will guard count as health? Or will it only proc when I lose it from my actual health bar?

The ability states health so losing only health might be the case.



#4075
SebastianP

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The ability states health so losing only health might be the case.

Meh, I'm gonna skip that one then.