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[Adhin]

Not sure on Combat Roll but I think it's not in a weapon trees. Think it's in one of the other 2. But the weapon ones seem to get a defensive move, that block/counter move for 2H. Was surprised to see that, expect a block in SnB for obvious reasons.

[Icy Magebane]

Hm... combat roll might fit into Battlemaster, but I'm just guessing.  It could just as easily be classified as a Vanguard ability if used offensively.

 

Whatever the case, each class specific movement ability should be a tier 1 talent/spell, so that they can be easily unlocked by all characters without delving too deeply into a specific tree.  They seem like the kind of powers every build will want to incorporate.

[The Night Haunter]

What I would've preferred for the Blink (or in addition to the generic blink) is a Knight Enchanter offensive teleportish attack. First the KE launches a ranged mage attack, then they 'blink' forward and strike the opponent in melee with their Enchanter blade (hoping KE gets swords, Arcane Warrior!). Double strike magic + melee and teleport to opponent would be an awesome melee oriented mage skill.

[mikeymoonshine]

Not sure on Combat Roll but I think it's not in a weapon trees. Think it's in one of the other 2. But the weapon ones seem to get a defensive move, that block/counter move for 2H. Was surprised to see that, expect a block in SnB for obvious reasons.

 

It's on Battlemaster.  

Spoiler

 

I didn't notice it the first time I looked for it, because it's sort of dark. It's the top left one and it has an upgrade which is interesting, I wouldn't have thought it needed one.

[Adhin]

@Icy Magebane: Now that we can fully agree on. Base evasive stuff, since they're a skill definitely needs to be an early lvl thing that anyone can nab regardless of build.

 

@milkeymoonshine: Well there ya go! Battlemaster it is.

 

@We Stand Midnight Clad: Yeah I always liked Teleport + Attack skills. Played a Barb/Psion (super fun, btw) in a NWN PW for a few years and he had a teleport psionic ability. Issue with NWN though was you'd do the psionic either immediately at the start of a turn, then sit around for 5 seconds, or 3 seconds in and sit around for 2 before I could make an attack. It... It kinda killed that impact. While I would like a teleport + blink attack I think with the immediacy of they're current system you wont have to 'wait around' like I did.

 

What I'm getting at is if you blink behind an enemy, you should be able to follow up immediately with an attack skill or a base attack as a Knight Enchanter. That is, of course, assuming they 'have' melee attack-spells with there weapons. I would imagine they do, i HOPE they do. I'll be a little bumped if it's all weapon summons and self buffs and no special attacks. Either way Teleport + auto attack will have that visual I want for that.

 

I could be crazy too here but I coulda sworn I saw a special dodge for Cole. Least I think so, seemed like a teleporty move instead of the lung-dodge. It's possible some specializations get alternate ways to avoid damage on top of the base class dodge/teleport. Hell we know Archery gets a jump + attack dodge move on top of the rogues lung-dodge.

 

Options! Options everywhere and I want all of them

[themageguy]

Have there been any Reaver abilities shown?
And which video was it that we see IB use Templar ability?
Thanks

[Icy Magebane]

@Icy Magebane: Now that we can fully agree on. Base evasive stuff, since they're a skill definitely needs to be an early lvl thing that anyone can nab regardless of build.

Indeed.  Let's just hope Bioware agrees with us.  xD

[mikeymoonshine]

Have there been any Reaver abilities shown?
And which video was it that we see IB use Templar ability?
Thanks

 

Um yep, the Reaver tree is in the OP in the first "spoilers" it's from it's the E3 Demo I think he uses one in the demo at some point. The Templar ability was used in the same Demo and is linked as the source underneath also in "spoilers". Actually if you look at the Reaver tree and the other warrior trees you can see it selected as one of IB's abilities. 

[themageguy]

Um yep, the Reaver tree is in the OP in the first "spoilers" it's from it's the E3 Demo I think he uses one in the demo at some point. The Templar ability was used in the same Demo and is linked as the source underneath also in "spoilers". Actually if you look at the Reaver tree and the other warrior trees you can see it selected as one of IB's abilities.

Thanks

[andar91]

Okay, folks, I may have spotted something important.

 

In the IGN demo, we have a close-up of Solas casting spells and such at the beginning of the Fade Rift fight.

 

 

 

At around 10:38, the Inquisitor opens the rift and we see Solas cast Barrier (shiny lights around him and Quizzy). Then, evidently, some type of flame spell (probably Fire Mine). But IMMEDIATELY afterwards, I SWEAR Solas creates some sort of whirlwind that dies out quickly.

 

Wind spells? Please?

 

 

Edit: Actually, on further inspection, I think Sky Watcher creates that tornado (that's one heck of a Warhammer in that case <.<).

[Hellion Rex]

In the recent combat gameplay video, Iron Bull uses "dragon rage" or something similar, so...he's definitely a reaver.

[Abraham_uk]

Perhaps...

 

 

Iron Bull is a Reaver

Blackwall is a Templar

Cassandra is a Champion

 

Cole is a Tempest

Varric is an Artificer

Sera is an Assassin

 

Solas is a Rift Mage

Vivienne is a Knight Enchanter

Dorian is a Necromancer

[Abraham_uk]

@Icy Magebane: Now that we can fully agree on. Base evasive stuff, since they're a skill definitely needs to be an early lvl thing that anyone can nab regardless of build.

 

@milkeymoonshine: Well there ya go! Battlemaster it is.

 

@We Stand Midnight Clad: Yeah I always liked Teleport + Attack skills. Played a Barb/Psion (super fun, btw) in a NWN PW for a few years and he had a teleport psionic ability. Issue with NWN though was you'd do the psionic either immediately at the start of a turn, then sit around for 5 seconds, or 3 seconds in and sit around for 2 before I could make an attack. It... It kinda killed that impact. While I would like a teleport + blink attack I think with the immediacy of they're current system you wont have to 'wait around' like I did.

 

What I'm getting at is if you blink behind an enemy, you should be able to follow up immediately with an attack skill or a base attack as a Knight Enchanter. That is, of course, assuming they 'have' melee attack-spells with there weapons. I would imagine they do, i HOPE they do. I'll be a little bumped if it's all weapon summons and self buffs and no special attacks. Either way Teleport + auto attack will have that visual I want for that.

 

I could be crazy too here but I coulda sworn I saw a special dodge for Cole. Least I think so, seemed like a teleporty move instead of the lung-dodge. It's possible some specializations get alternate ways to avoid damage on top of the base class dodge/teleport. Hell we know Archery gets a jump + attack dodge move on top of the rogues lung-dodge.

 

Options! Options everywhere and I want all of them

 

 

Would it bug you if the Knight Enchanter couldn't summon weapons, buff armour and had no melee attack spells? Instead they slightly buffed ally weapons and armour. That would bug me a lot.

[Hellion Rex]

Perhaps...

 

 

Iron Bull is a Reaver

Blackwall is a Templar

Cassandra is a Champion

 

Cole is a Tempest

Varric is an Artificer

Sera is an Assassin

 

Solas is a Rift Mage

Vivienne is a Knight Enchanter

Dorian is a Necromancer

Artificer Dagna is probably the Artificer. Cole had some Assassin looking icons in the the latest gameplay demo.

[Icy Magebane]

Artificer Dagna is probably the Artificer. Cole had some Assassin looking icons in the the latest gameplay demo.

Then what is Varric?

[wowsuper]

Blackwall a templar and Vivienne a knight enchanter??? Oh, come on... That's very unlikely! You're pushing the inquisitor specialisations on the companions and we all know that it doesn't work like this, this time around (luckily, I must add).

Companions should have their own personal and distinctive talent/spell tree. Dorian might have some necromancy, Iron Bull some reaver talents and Solas some rift spells, but not all the other characters have to be bound to the inquisitor specialisations. 

 

Then what is Varric?

 

Most probably a marksman, like in DA2...

[Gamemako]

Blackwall a templar and Vivienne a knight enchanter??? Oh, come on... That's very unlikely! You're pushing the inquisitor specialisations on the companions and we all know that it doesn't work like this, this time around (luckily, I must add).

Actually, they have not said that they have their own unique specs, only that their specs are based on their stories. All that really means is you don't choose their specs. I find it highly unlikely that their specs will be unavailable to players.

[wowsuper]

Actually, they have not said that they have their own unique specs, only that their specs are based on their stories. All that really means is you don't choose their specs. I find it highly unlikely that their specs will be unavailable to players.

 

Well, I might have misunderstood the message thinking that the DA2 specialisation system was coming back.

In any case I highly doubt that all companions will share the same specs with the inquisitor: none of the mages fit in the knight enchanter spec (unless somebody is hiding some heavy armor under his/her robes) and none of the warriors fit the templar spec (unless somebody is secretly addicted to lyrium).

[Kage]

Exactly, they have said that their specializations are fixed due to their background, "think Cole"...

That can mean that they have unique specializations, or that the specializations make sense for them. Tempest could be a "Cole" thingy, doing what he does.

 

However I dont think that is the case, I believe some of them at least will have unique trees.

[Borosini]

Well, I might have misunderstood the message thinking that the DA2 specialisation system was coming back.

In any case I highly doubt that all companions will share the same specs with the inquisitor: none of the mages fit in the knight enchanter spec (unless somebody is hiding some heavy armor under his/her robes) and none of the warriors fit the templar spec (unless somebody is secretly addicted to lyrium).

 

What about the Knight Enchanter spec means that heavy armor is requisite?

 

As for Templar, it seems to me like Cassandra would be a good fit considering Seekers and Templars historically have a connection. Or possibly Blackwall—Alistair, the Warden, and Carver all provide precedent for Wardens with templar abilities.

[Patchwork]

If the Inquisitor is getting a unique spec I don't see why companion's can't. It doesn't have as many talents as the normal ones just 3 or 4 that a special to the character's personality/backstory. 

[Jester]

Exactly, they have said that their specializations are fixed due to their background, "think Cole"...

That can mean that they have unique specializations, or that the specializations make sense for them. Tempest could be a "Cole" thingy, doing what he does.

I don't think that "Tempest" suits Cole. I mean, he should have a unique tree, based on him being a spirit. I think that unique companion specialisations that were present in DA2 were a very good idea. They added extra depth to the characters - Anders' "Veangeance" abilities, Merill's Keeper/Blood Mage mix, Fenris' lyrium skills...introducing those was a very good idea, and I hope that they won't back out on that.

 

If the Inquisitor is getting a unique spec I don't see why companion's can't. It doesn't have as many talents as the normal ones just 3 or 4 that a special to the character's personality/backstory. 

 

Why only 3 or 4? In DA2 they managed to make them full trees, with ~10 talents each. I think resigning from this idea would be a step back. 

[Patchwork]

I'm indifferent to the number of talents in the tree.

[Adhin]

@Abraham_uk : Considering in the QnA they've specifically stated that Knight Enchanters are melee oriented mages that summon weapons to get around class restrictions? Yeah, I'd be pretty irritated to find out all they do is buff other peoples weapons considering that would be in direct opposition to what the class is supposed to do and be based off their own words.

 

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@Jester: That is incorrect. All 'tabs' had a total of 10 points spent but half of those where Upgrades to existing skills. WHen people are saying 3-5 or whatever they are talking about actual skills, not passives or upgrades. If you want to count 'all of its' then specializations (least in past videos) seem to still be 10. Other skill tabs are at least 13, some up to 15. As for some examples from DA2...

 

Reaver: 3 abilities (1 is a sustained), 2 passives, 5 upgrades.

Assassin:  3 abilities, 2 passives, 5 upgrades.

Force Mage: 4 abilities, 1 passive, 5 upgrades

 

Seeing a pattern? Almost always 5 upgrades, sometimes 6, sometimes 4. But all skill trees or webs or whatever always came out to 10 in DA2. And upgrades made up generally half of that leaving total number of skills rather small in comparison. Warrior 2H tab, most recent we've seen has 5 active skills, 5 passives and 5 upgrades. The only passive we've seen for DAI (which, this was awhile ago it may be changed) was Reaver.

 

DAI Reaver: 3 abilities, 4 passives, 3 upgrades (1 per active).

 

Still comes out to 10, but there are more actual passives that effect you constantly. Same number of abilities, but singular upgrade per ability instead of 2 per.