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[Xilizhra]

Of course it is they weren't destroyed but they were totally crushed by qunari that took rest of their lands they are still alive probably because of city not magic. 

Given that the city's main defense is its mages, I find this unlikely.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Given that the city's main defense is its mages, I find this unlikely.

Nope tevinter empire relies heavily on mages so in every other scenario mages were involved as well and they lost so magic wasn't major part of why they didn't conquered that 1 city most likely city was.

[Xilizhra]

Nope tevinter empire relies heavily on mages so in every other scenario mages were involved as well and they lost so magic wasn't major part of why they didn't conquered that 1 city most likely city was.

It seems more likely to me that there was an early pullback to Minrathous. The qunari could have destroyed most of the Imperium's power had they been able to take the city, but of course they couldn't.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It seems more likely to me that there was an early pullback to Minrathous. The qunari could have destroyed most of the Imperium's power had they been able to take the city, but of course they couldn't.

Not necessarily as i said place matters (city was capital when tevinter was on their glory days) , also famous gigant golems they have in fact minrathous was never conquered says something about that city not mages.

[Texhnolyze101]

It seems more likely to me that there was an early pullback to Minrathous. The qunari could have destroyed most of the Imperium's power had they been able to take the city, but of course they couldn't.

 

Arguing with that guy is pointless lol.

[Tenebrae]

Our dear Komandor fails to see the futility of his cause, in the end the mundanes will submit or be fed to the flame, it is inevitable...

 

For magic is might!

 

 

Someone needs to balance his extreme kill all mages attitude.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The main defense of Minrathous are the Juggernauts... It is in the lore people....

[Tenebrae]

The main defense of Minrathous are the Juggernauts... It is in the lore people....

 

EmperorSahlertz is partly right, this is form the wiki:

 

“Guarded by high walls and powerful golems, called Juggernauts, protected by powerful blood mages, the city is a lasting symbol of Tevinter glory.”

 

“During the Steel Age, the Qunari led a campaign which conquered almost the entirety of northern Thedas. However even their cannons weren't sufficient to capture Tevinter's capital.”

 

“It is built on a rocky island not far from the shore, accessible only by a single bridge that can be destroyed if needed. The island features massive ports and shipyards and a vast series of underground catacombs capable of holding food enough to feed the city for a year.”

 

So a combonation of Juggernauts,blood magic and an nearly unassailable position...no wonder the Qunari failed to take Minrathous, i guess they're tech wasn't up to snuff.

[EmperorSahlertz]

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So a combonation of Juggernauts,blood magic and an nearly unassailable position...no wonder the Qunari failed to take Minrathous, i guess they're tech wasn't up to snuff.

I am sorry.... But no matter how hard you try, you cannot make the Tevinters' complete and utter failure at defending every other city than Minrathous, sound like a success.

[Tenebrae]

I am sorry.... But no matter how hard you try, you cannot make the Tevinters' complete and utter failure at defending every other city than Minrathous, sound like a success.

Oh it was a catastrophic failure i never debated that, one that had almost cost them their empire,granted the Qunari's technological edge must have come as a very shocking/terrifying revelation,kind of hard to be ready for canons when you never knew they existed.

 

Minrathous extreme defenses are the only reason they even had the time to regroup and retake lost ground.

 

But they seems to have learned their lessons as they have manged to fight the Qunari to a stalemate, and now we play the waiting game.

 

Personally i am hoping for an imperial resurgence, but we'll see.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Oh it was a catastrophic failure i never debated that, one that had almost cost them their empire,granted the Qunari's technological edge must have come as a very shocking/terrifying revelation,kind of hard to be ready for canons when you never knew they existed.

 

Minrathous extreme defenses are the only reason they even had time to regroup and retake lost ground.

 

But they seems to have learned their lessons as they have manged to fight the Qunari to a stalemate, and now we play the waiting game.

 

Personally i am hoping for an imperial resurgence, but we'll see.

The Qunari haven't really fought back for the past odd century. It is not really a stalemate either, since the Qunari have managed to maintain their firm grip on Seheron. The Qunari seems perfectly content at defending Seheron, and pushing off any failed attempt at invasion from the Tevinters. If anyone is playing the waiting game, it is the Qunari.

[Tenebrae]

The Qunari haven't really fought back for the past odd century. It is not really a stalemate either, since the Qunari have managed to maintain their firm grip on Seheron. The Qunari seems perfectly content at defending Seheron, and pushing off any failed attempt at invasion from the Tevinters. If anyone is playing the waiting game, it is the Qunari.

 

Not to nitpick but defending=fighting back, i haven't heard of any Qunari landing though so ill give you that.

 

When i said "we" i meant the players, But onto what you wrote, The Qunari are doing the sensible thing (as they are wont to do) we don't know how 

many soldiers they can deploy, i am assuming that their army is smaller/much smaller then most Andrastian nations and its their technological superiority that makes them a force to be reckoned with, so them waiting makes sense they need to replenish their highly depleted manpower for their next major offensive.

 

I only hope the Imperium+the rest of Theadas gets their act together in time, i also hope the rifts are occurring in Par Vollen and Seheron as well, if not...

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Qunari certainly got the technological advantage going for them. But it certainly also comes down to the fact that they are physiologically far superior to humans. A single Qunari soldier could probably kill half a dozen human soldiers. We've actually had examples of this is in DA2 where the Qunari corpses encoutnered in Hightown were all surrounded by 6-7 Kirkwall City Guards (and that was unarmored Qunari soldiers to boot).

[Tenebrae]

The Qunari certainly got the technological advantage going for them. But it certainly also comes down to the fact that they are physiologically far superior to humans. A single Qunari soldier could probably kill half a dozen human soldiers. We've actually had examples of this is in DA2 where the Qunari corpses encoutnered in Hightown were all surrounded by 6-7 Kirkwall City Guards (and that was unarmored Qunari soldiers to boot).

 

True enough, the average Qunari soldier is superior to the average human soldier when it comes to pure physiology, still the Qunari's paralyzing fear of magic and their inferior numbers tend to play to the human nations advantage ("we shall be as numerous as the blades of grass").

 

I wonder if Rivan would fight against the Qunari or with them when the time comes, i imagine they would be split with some joining the Qunari and some fighting against them.

[Eveangaline]

Is being a traditional dalish technically a mage supremacist? They are a magocracy

[savitar17]

i think you guys are forgetting the fact the chantry led two exalted marches on tevinter and both were utterly destroyed because of tevinters magical might so i dare say that yes magic and mages in generally are very powerfull 

[LobselVith8]

Is being a traditional dalish technically a mage supremacist? They are a magocracy

 

Mages aren't the only ones in leadership positions. Considering the hahren were able to prohibit a Keeper from marrying someone he was interested in (i.e. Mahariel parents), I strongly disagree.

[Eveangaline]

Dang, I was hoping to have my dalish run around screaming "MAGE SUPREMECY, LETS ALL LOSE OUR SHOES AND GET IN TOUCH WITH NATURE"

[The__DARK-L0RD]

I will not be a Mage supremacist, but a sympathizer. All Mages who simply want to separate themselves from the circle of magi will have my support, unless they come off as malicious and power hunger mixed with blood magic and demons. With the mage class as my primary choice, I can't turn my back on this. I played as a circle mage in DAO and an apostate in DA2. It seems that a child mage is unwillingly tricked by a demon while adults comprehended exactly what deals they're making with demons. Hawke and the Grey Warden are both mages I played from opposite sides and neither became an abomination. I'm not saying I want the destruction of the circle of magi, but I do want to see change in policy. If Cassandra, this Vivienne, or anyone else has a problem, they are welcome to try and stop me. As the inquisitor, my decisions will be absolute. Contrary to popular opinion, magic was made to serve the man who best wields it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Our dear Komandor fails to see the futility of his cause, in the end the mundanes will submit or be fed to the flame, it is inevitable...

 

For magic is might!

 

 

 

Someone needs to balance his extreme kill all mages attitude.

Well you can dream if you want but if you want see how magic vs non-mages ends here have an example

As for it might mages get their a** kicked 90 % of time by non-mages.

[The Ascendant]

Which race makes better mages? I think elves are the best overall, with humans in second place followed by Qunari. What do you guys think?

[Tenebrae]

Well you can dream if you want but if you want see how magic vs non-mages ends here have an example

As for it might mages get their a** kicked 90 % of time by non-mages.

 

Sheer ignorance! these gnats were no Mages! Where was the fire? The ice? The blood magic and demons?

 

'sigh' I suppose i should expect no more then failure from these chantry addled fools...Once again it falls upon me to put the mundanes in their proper place.

 

 

'Serious mode' The only reason Mages appear so weak is because they have been systematically kept weak by the chantry and the Templar's, in order to make the latter's job easier , given the chance to "Spread their wing" so to say i have no doubt the Mages would prove to be the superior ones.

 

You don't create a continent spanning empire by being weak.

 

 

Which race makes better mages? I think elves are the best overall, with humans in second place followed by Qunari. What do you guys think?

 

I'm not sure how true that is, remember Arlathan fell to Tevinter after all.

 

I think magical potential may vary by individual legacy and luck, I'm not sure if race even plays a role in this.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Sheer ignorance! these gnats were no Mages! Where was the fire? The ice? The blood magic and demons?

 

'sigh' I suppose i should expect no more then failure from these chantry addled fools...Once again it falls upon me to put the mundanes in their proper place.

 

 

 

'Serious mode' The only reason Mages appear so weak is because they have been systematically kept weak by the chantry and the Templar's, in order to make the latter's job easier , given the chance to "Spread their wing" so to say i have no doubt the Mages would prove to be the superior ones.

 

You don't create a continent spanning empire by being weak.

 

I'm not sure how true that is, remember Arlathan fell to Tevinter after all.

 

I think magical potential may vary by individual legacy and luck, I'm not sure if race even plays a role in this.

 

 

Mages aren't powerful in da universe but have potential to be with blood magic (still far from power that mages have in others settings) but even blood magic can't match technology even that qunari have so well i wouldn't be adjusted that mages are better than non-mages that already crushed mages for ages.  Ultimately magic isn't even worth price that mage have to pay for it in da setting.

[Tenebrae]

Mages aren't powerful in da universe but have potential to be with blood magic (still far from power that mages have in others settings) but even blood magic can't match technology even that qunari have so well i wouldn't be adjusted that mages are better than non-mages that already crushed mages for ages. 

 

At the moment it may appear so, but magic like technology is subject to advancement, and for all their technology the Qunari still failed to conquer Tevintar.

 

So either they are not as advanced as you think they are, or magic is more then a match for current Qunari technology.

 

Honestly its just a matter of who manages to advance in their chosen method faster, We'll see what Bioware has in store for us in future games.

[The Ascendant]

I suppose training and cultural opinions are the determining factor for how powerful a mage is. So who is the best? Based on the lore I will go for.
1) Tevinter Imperium Magisters.
2) Dalish Keepers
3) Circle Mages
4) Qunari Saarebas
This is based upon what restrictions, if any these magi face in their homelands.