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[TheKomandorShepard]

At the moment it may appear so, but magic like technology is subject to advancement, and for all their technology the Qunari still failed to conquer Tevintar.

 

So either they are not as advanced as you think they are, or magic is more then a match for current Qunari technology.

 

Honestly its just a matter of who manages to advance in their chosen method faster, We'll see what Bioware has in store for us in future games.

Not at all they conquered tevinter (save for their capital) they did it on ease and managed keep it for 40 years when they were in war with rest of the continent pretty much shows how much stronger qunari were than tevinter.

[Tenebrae]

Not at all they conquered tevinter (save for their capital) they did it on ease and managed keep it for 40 years when they were in war with rest of the continent pretty much shows how much stronger qunari were than tevinter.

 

If they were stronger then Tevinter they would still be occupying their conquered lands, but they are not.

 

The biggest advantage the Qunari had over Tevinter was the element of surprise, the magisters were not expecting such a gap in technology and the Qunaris dismissal of magic most likley caused the magisters to underestimate them, when the element of surprise dissipated and the magisters got their act together they evicted the Qunari.

 

The loss of the element of surprise and the magisters reevaluation of the Qunari has led to the current stalemate, The magisters are not strong enough to destroy the Qunari and Qunari are not strong enough to destroy Tevintar.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If they were stronger then Tevinter they would still be occupying their conquered lands, but they are not.

 

The biggest advantage the Qunari had over Tevinter was the element of surprise, the magisters were not expecting such a gap in technology and the Qunaris dismissal of magic most likley caused the magisters to underestimate them, when the element of surprise dissipated and the magisters got their act together they evicted the Qunari.

 

The loss of the element of surprise and the magisters reevaluation of the Qunari has led to the current stalemate, The magisters are not strong enough to destroy the Qunari and Qunari are not strong enough to destroy Tevintar.

Hmm as i said they crushed them easily so magic wasn't problem for them.Problem was that they fought with everyone what ultimately doomed qunari. There is no much to say it was magic vs technology failed and there is no even arguing that if qunari went only after tevinter they could destroy them.

[Tenebrae]

Hmm as i said they crushed them easily so magic wasn't problem for them.Problem was that they fought with everyone what ultimately doomed qunari. There is no much to say it was magic vs technology failed and there is no even arguing that if qunari went only after tevinter they could destroy them.

Magic vs technology is a matter of personal assumption, seeing as bioware continues to counter itself over and over as to how powerful magic is.

 

They tried to destroy Tevinter and failed, we'll see how well they do the second time around.

 

There is a good chance to Qunari would feature as the main threat in the next DA game, if so i hope we get a chance to play a Tevinter magister, so i can proceed to crush them.....For the Imperium!

[The Ascendant]

Magic vs technology is a matter of personal assumption, seeing as bioware continues to counter itself over and over as to how powerful magic is.
 
They tried to destroy Tevinter and failed, we'll see how well they do the second time around.
 
There is a good chance to Qunari would feature as the main threat in the next DA game, if so i hope we get a chance to play a Tevinter magister, so i can proceed to crush them.....For the Imperium!

Don't forget about Eldrad Ulthran, most powerful of the Eldar Farseers, Magnus the Red, Ahzek Ahriman or Kairos Fateweaver.

[The Ascendant]

I would love to see more of Tevinter culture, hopefully Dorian will offer some insight.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I plan on doing the full spectrum of magery.  My saarbas will have a Do as Though Will, Harm None philosophy who thinks the circle as a school for mages is a good idea, my dwarf will be wary of magic and find it difficult to give mages the benefit of the doubt, and I will have one that is militantly anti-circle, probably a human mage since I have other plans for the Dalish.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Magic vs technology is a matter of personal assumption, seeing as bioware continues to counter itself over and over as to how powerful magic is.

 

They tried to destroy Tevinter and failed, we'll see how well they do the second time around.

 

There is a good chance to Qunari would feature as the main threat in the next DA game, if so i hope we get a chance to play a Tevinter magister, so i can proceed to crush them.....For the Imperium!

You realize the Imperium of Man completely, wholely and utterly HATES magic, yes?

[The Ascendant]

You realize the Imperium of Man completely, wholely and utterly HATES magic, yes?

The Emperor is a psyker. He can't exist without them. No psykers equals no Imperium. Mankind is evolving towards its psychic potential, the only reason why the Emperor endures is to ensure humanity will be strong enough to handle these powers responsibly. Humanity will either evolve into a race of perfect psykers or they will create anew chaos god like the Eldar.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Emperor is a psyker. He can't exist without them. No psykers equals no Imperium. Mankind is evolving towards its psychic potential, the only reason why the Emperor endures is to ensure humanity will be strong enough to handle these powers responsibly. Humanity will either evolve into a race of perfect psykers or they will create anew chaos god like the Eldar.

There is a difference between a psyker and a sorcerer. And while the Imperium might depend on Psykers they still loathe them, because they know the threat they represent. The Emperor was also working tirelessly on creating a webway system akin to the one the Eldar use, specifically to no longer require psykers.

 

And the only reason the Emperor endures is because he is being kept alive by the Golden Throne, not some sort of divine will.

[Tenebrae]

Don't forget about Eldrad Ulthran, most powerful of the Eldar Farseers, Magnus the Red, Ahzek Ahriman or Kairos Fateweaver.

 

Never: "When there is no other way, the perilous path is the only road to salvation."

 

The Emperor is a psyker. He can't exist without them. No psykers equals no Imperium. Mankind is evolving towards its psychic potential, the only reason why the Emperor endures is to ensure humanity will be strong enough to handle these powers responsibly. Humanity will either evolve into a race of perfect psykers or they will create anew chaos god like the Eldar.

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[Tenebrae]

There is a difference between a psyker and a sorcerer. And while the Imperium might depend on Psykers they still loathe them, because they know the threat they represent. The Emperor was also working tirelessly on creating a webway system akin to the one the Eldar use, specifically to no longer require psykers.

 

And the only reason the Emperor endures is because he is being kept alive by the Golden Throne, not some sort of divine will.

 

The hypocrisy of loathing them while their emperor is one....that always amused me.

[The Ascendant]

I agree their is a difference between psykers and sorcerers, but I still believe that the Imperium would crumble without them. They still need astropaths, navigators, the astrnomican, Librarians and many noteworthy Inquisitors are psykers. All psykic energy comes from the Warp so it is difficult to separate the two.

[The Ascendant]

The Emperor does endure on the Golden Throne but only because a thousand psykers are fed to him every day. The Webway project would allow safe and instantaneous travel. Psykers are dangerous, but when properly trained and controlled they are a huge benefit.

[Swoopdogg]

Did you read masked empire?

 

Yeah same fate if mages will get their way in rest of thedas.

 

So? rebellion chances oppressors in most cases that how it ends. 

 

haha good luck pal your majority of mages burn everything on their way and are nothing more than thugs to get what they want as dai shows... totally innocent and noble.

I have no idea what you're talking about at this point. Your sentences are choppy and hard to understand. I'm not trying to diss your grammar, I'm just informing you that I can't respond to this comment because I legitimately have no idea what you are trying to tell me here.

 

The mages burning everything in their wake are the minority. Most just want to be left alone.

 

All of your arguments so far are grounded in little to no evidence, or evidence that does not effectively serve to substantiate your points. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I have no idea what you're talking about at this point. Your sentences are choppy and hard to understand. I'm not trying to diss your grammar, I'm just informing you that I can't respond to this comment because I legitimately have no idea what you are trying to tell me here.

 

The mages burning everything in their wake are the minority. Most just want to be left alone.

 

All of your arguments so far are grounded in little to no evidence, or evidence that does not effectively serve to substantiate your points. 

Kirkwall , redcliff (twice) , black marshes and many other cases beg to differ.

 

Yeah because everything what happened in games isn't evidence. Of course if you want play in that game i can start point what damage mages caused so well

[EmperorSahlertz]

The hypocrisy of loathing them while their emperor is one....that always amused me.

Yeah, well... That's the Dark Millenium for you.

 

I agree their is a difference between psykers and sorcerers, but I still believe that the Imperium would crumble without them. They still need astropaths, navigators, the astrnomican, Librarians and many noteworthy Inquisitors are psykers. All psykic energy comes from the Warp so it is difficult to separate the two.

The Imperium would crumble and die without psykers. There is no question about it. However, they still hate psykers. It is all part of the Dark Millinium after all.

 

The Emperor does endure on the Golden Throne but only because a thousand psykers are fed to him every day. The Webway project would allow safe and instantaneous travel. Psykers are dangerous, but when properly trained and controlled they are a huge benefit.

Well, an Alpha level psyker cannot be trained properly before he succumbs to the whispers of Daemons, and if he ever were to live for that long, he would become a threat to an entire Segmentum. The threat of the psykers, and the neccesity of their continued existance, does draw some nice parallels to the mages of DA.

[Swoopdogg]

Kirkwall , redcliff (twice) , black marshes and many other cases beg to differ.

 

Yeah because everything what happened in games isn't evidence. Of course if you want play in that game i can start point what damage mages caused so well

I'll say this one more time, because you don't seem to be able to get this through your thick skull:

 

those mages are a minority. You think every mage is actively trying to take over the world? You think every mage is willing to blow up the chantry to gain freedom? Bioware has made it clear in these games that those mages are a minority. Many of the kirkwall mages spoke out against rebellion and violence, and I don't think any of them (besides the underground blood mages) agreed with Anders' destruction of the chantry.

 

If there was no magic in these games, the evil mages--such as the baroness in the black marsh-- would be regular villains but with weapons of steel instead of magic. Are you going to criminalize every swordsman?

 

You're one of those all-mages-are-evil-regardless-of-any-evidence-to-the-contrary types, aren't you?

 

Either that or a troll, but you don't seem quite smart enough to be one of those.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I'll say this one more time, because you don't seem to be able to get this through your thick skull:

 

those mages are a minority. You think every mage is actively trying to take over the world? You think every mage is willing to blow up the chantry to gain freedom? Bioware has made it clear in these games that those mages are a minority. Many of the kirkwall mages spoke out against rebellion and violence, and I don't think any of them (besides the underground blood mages) agreed with Anders' destruction of the chantry.

 

If there was no magic in these games, the evil mages--such as the baroness in the black marsh-- would be regular villains but with weapons of steel instead of magic. Are you going to criminalize every swordsman?

 

You're one of those all-mages-are-evil-regardless-of-any-evidence-to-the-contrary types, aren't you?

 

Either that or a troll, but you don't seem quite smart enough to be one of those.

Of course minority about 90 % mages in kirkwall and pretty much rebel mages as shown in redcliff demo.

"Many of the kirkwall mages spoke out against rebellion and violence"

Who orsino? oh yeah he was helping insane blood mage serial killer. LoL you think only anders group was causing troubles did you even saw circle blood mages in first and third act? Show that groups that were against violence in kirkwall.

Evil or good doesn't matter ultimately mage is always dangerous and he can either cause damage intentionally or not morality doesn't matter if you are walking bomb that can explode at any moment.

 

Do i think all mages are "evil" no... most yep as i can be called evil but i would call it insane and destructive or both. 

[Texhnolyze101]

I'll say this one more time, because you don't seem to be able to get this through your thick skull:

 

those mages are a minority. You think every mage is actively trying to take over the world? You think every mage is willing to blow up the chantry to gain freedom? Bioware has made it clear in these games that those mages are a minority. Many of the kirkwall mages spoke out against rebellion and violence, and I don't think any of them (besides the underground blood mages) agreed with Anders' destruction of the chantry.

 

If there was no magic in these games, the evil mages--such as the baroness in the black marsh-- would be regular villains but with weapons of steel instead of magic. Are you going to criminalize every swordsman?

 

You're one of those all-mages-are-evil-regardless-of-any-evidence-to-the-contrary types, aren't you?

 

Either that or a troll, but you don't seem quite smart enough to be one of those.

 

I'll say this one more time, because you don't seem to be able to get this through your thick skull:

 

those mages are a minority. You think every mage is actively trying to take over the world? You think every mage is willing to blow up the chantry to gain freedom? Bioware has made it clear in these games that those mages are a minority. Many of the kirkwall mages spoke out against rebellion and violence, and I don't think any of them (besides the underground blood mages) agreed with Anders' destruction of the chantry.

 

If there was no magic in these games, the evil mages--such as the baroness in the black marsh-- would be regular villains but with weapons of steel instead of magic. Are you going to criminalize every swordsman?

 

You're one of those all-mages-are-evil-regardless-of-any-evidence-to-the-contrary types, aren't you?

 

Either that or a troll, but you don't seem quite smart enough to be one of those.

 

You just now realising this? seriously don't bother with that guy.

[Morroian]

Not at all they conquered tevinter (save for their capital) they did it on ease and managed keep it for 40 years when they were in war with rest of the continent pretty much shows how much stronger qunari were than tevinter.

 

Um the qunari use mages, the saarebas, who as confirmed by David Gaider in the interview just done are essentially qunari weapons.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Um the qunari use mages, the saarebas, who as confirmed by David Gaider in the interview just done are essentially qunari weapons.

That was known since da 2 so it isn't news pretty much they weren't significant as they weren't even mentioned unlike qunari technology in their advantages.Not to mention that qunari mages can't rly match trained teviner blood mages. 

[KainD]

Magic vs technology is a matter of personal assumption, seeing as bioware continues to counter itself over and over as to how powerful magic is.

 

They tried to destroy Tevinter and failed, we'll see how well they do the second time around.

 

There is a good chance to Qunari would feature as the main threat in the next DA game, if so i hope we get a chance to play a Tevinter magister, so i can proceed to crush them.....For the Imperium!

 

Hisss. Dat filthy, foolish, close-minded, weak Imperium with a rotten corpse as a ruler. Don't compare to Tevinter please. 

[KainD]

Well, an Alpha level psyker cannot be trained properly.

 

Sure they can, just train under your chaos God and you're fine. 

[MisterJB]

The mages burning everything in their wake are the minority. Most just want to be left alone.

 

All of your arguments so far are grounded in little to no evidence, or evidence that does not effectively serve to substantiate your points. 

I find that those who claim that "most mages just want to be left alone" have about as much evidence of this as those who claim that "mages want to burn everything".