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[TheodoricFriede]

 

For the record, i dont think any of the "supporters" here actually believe that mage supremacy is moral or correct.

 

I think a lot of people just want the option available because sometimes its fun to be the bad guy.

[Texhnolyze101]

 

How does have weird mind powers make you the "Best of the Best"? Most of those character types sacrifice physicality, durability or something else that other, more "mundane" classes are far better than them at. Mages in DA are quite fragile compared to other classes. I'm not sure who would win in a straight up brawl between classes, but Mages didn't strike me as being superior to other classes.  

 

Its only southern mages that are garbage at CQC.

[TheKomandorShepard]

This backward argument is getting old. How about I post a random video of mundanes getting killed, and that will be the proof that all mundanes are weak? 

That wasn't argument if i use video from dawn of the seeker then it is joke.If i wanted argue about that i could simple use many others examples when mages destroyed.

 

 

Remember when the qunari couldnt take over Thedas because for all their military might and gunpowder, they couldnt stand up to magic?

They crushed tevinter very quickly despite they had blood mages so well real problem was that they couldn't defeat entire thedas against them.

 

Can't is actually very different from 'choose not to'. I don't think I would restrain my power against those who would enslave me given the chance.

That seems a lot saner than letting bigots imprison, enslave and dominate you.

See have you answer why i shouldn't burn them they would do the same , why i shouldn't control them they could do same to me , why i shouldn't abuse them they could do same to me.And here we go next tevinter. 

 

 

 

[TheodoricFriede]

They crushed tevinter very quickly despite they had blood mages so well real problem was that they couldn't defeat entire thedas against them.

 

"Crushed Tavinter", eh?

 

That place that is still around, still fighting the Qunari, and still feared?

[TheKomandorShepard]

"Crushed Tavinter", eh?

 

That place that is still around, still fighting the Qunari, and still feared?

Eeee read about qunari wars....

 

they conquered tevinter quickly outside the capital and controled it for over 40 years while they were in war with others.

[Super Drone]

For the record, i dont think any of the "supporters" here actually believe that mage supremacy is moral or correct.

 

I think a lot of people just want the option available because sometimes its fun to be the bad guy.

   you sure about that?

[Super Drone]

Its only southern mages that are garbage at CQC.

 

I do not understand what this means, but I'm going to take a wild guess and assume whatever it means is not supported by lore. There a lot of Headcanon that goes on with Mage enthusiasts, I am starting to realize...

 

...serious "back-away-slowly-making-no-sudden-movements" levels of Headcanon....

[TheodoricFriede]

Eeee read about qunari wars....

 

they conquered tevinter quickly outside the capital and controled it for over 40 years while they were in war with others.

Yes and if you read the lore, it is stated that the reason the qunari were pushed back at all was because of magic.

 

Tevinter still fights them. If magic was as weak or irrelevant as you say, there would be no Tevinter. No Black Chantry. No Magisters. No slave trade.

[Texhnolyze101]

I do not understand what this means, but I'm going to take a wild guess and assume whatever it means is not supported by lore. There a lot of Headcanon that goes on with Mage enthusiasts, I am starting to realize...

 

...serious "back-away-slowly-making-no-sudden-movements" levels of Headcanon....

 

I do not understand what this means, but I'm going to take a wild guess and assume whatever it means is not supported by lore. There a lot of Headcanon that goes on with Mage enthusiasts, I am starting to realize...

 

...serious "back-away-slowly-making-no-sudden-movements" levels of Headcanon....

 

Tevinter mages train in all forms of combat unlike southern mages who aren't allowed to thus they are garbage at CQC (close quarters combat)

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yes and if you read the lore, it is stated that the reason the qunari were pushed back at all was because of magic.

 

Tevinter still fights them. If magic was as weak or irrelevant as you say, there would be no Tevinter. No Black Chantry. No Magisters. No slave trade.

It is stated that mages are very powerful as well yet they got their ass kicked in most of their battles.

I I doubt very much that circles were that helpful besides that clash with everything we saw if tevinter blood mages and battle mages were crushed on ease by qunari i doubt that circle mages were big challenge for them...

 

Pretty much qunari would crush tev if they wanted fenris says that.They took tevinter on ease first time while in war with rest of thedas i doubt they will have problem this time if of course they recovered problem is if they do it will repeat and everyone will unite against them which was biggest disadvantage for qunari that they didn't had so much warriors as thedas.

[Super Drone]

Tevinter mages train in all forms of combat unlike southern mages who aren't allowed to thus they are garbage at CQC (close quarters combat)

 

In the Lore, learning to be good at magic and be powerful takes training. Years of it. Mages aren't instantly capable of hurling out unstoppable magic because they are special little snowflakes. Even if a Tevinter Mage knows how to use a sword, he's not going to have spent the years of intense combat training a Templar, or Chevalier has. That time would be better spent by them honing their magical skill. Hence, in CQC, I'm going to put money on the man who studied swordplay and nothing but swordplay.

 

Mages are not unstoppable supermen who are good at everything and have no flaws. Not even in Tevinter.

[TheodoricFriede]

 

I I doubt very much that circles were that helpful

Right. I suppose thats why Duncan was so satisfied with the amount of mages the Chantry allowed him to take from the circle.

 

I believe the exact quote was "Seven mages? Thats more than enough!".

 

You clearly has some odd, possibly sexual, fetish relating to saying mages are weak and useless, despite the readily apparent lore to the contrary.

It fills me with shame to know that I have wasted so much time on you.

[KainD]

you sure about that?

Probably is, sadly.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Right. I suppose thats why Duncan was so satisfied with the amount of mages the Chantry allowed him to take from the circle.

 

I believe the exact quote was "Seven mages? Thats more than enough!".

 

You clearly has some odd, possibly sexual, fetish relating to saying mages are weak and useless, despite the readily apparent lore to the contrary.

It fills me with shame to know that I have wasted so much time on you.

Yeah seven mages that more than enough ups they lost spectacularly that battle.

Duncan isn't lore same as guy who claims that mages can turn peoples into frogs most peoples in-universe seems overestimate mages and what they can do.

sexual?   lol can we just skip playing psychologist?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah seven mages that more than enough ups they lost spectacularly that battle.

You realize the Circle mages fell back with Loghain right? Hence Uldred and Wynne, who were at Ostagar, being in the Circle later in the game?

[TheodoricFriede]

You realize the Circle mages fell back with Loghain right? Hence Uldred and Wynne, who were at Ostagar, being in the Circle later in the game?

I was also being super sarcastic.

 

Duncan wasnt satisfied with seven mages at all and wanted significantly more. Then goes on to say that even one mage is an incredible asset.

[Super Drone]

 

 

You clearly has some odd, possibly sexual, fetish relating to saying mages are weak and useless, despite the readily apparent lore to the contrary.

It fills me with shame to know that I have wasted so much time on you.

 

There's a lot of odd, possibly sexual, fetishes going on in this thread... most of them are not Anti-Mage related though, 

[TheKomandorShepard]

You realize the Circle mages fell back with Loghain right? Hence Uldred and Wynne, who were at Ostagar, being in the Circle later in the game?

If Wynne is alive at end of "Broken Circle": She escaped the battle with her life, and stayed to search for survivors and tend the wounded. When she returned home, she found that Uldred had gone on ahead of her, spreading the lie that the Wardens had betrayed Cailan and urging the Circle to support Loghain. Wynne immediately spoke with Irving and told him the truth. Irving then confronted Uldred about his falsehoods--prompting Uldred to use terrible measures to take over the tower.

 

from wiki so it is up to you , you can check in game.

 

Also if you aren't mage you get circle mage companion that dies there.

[Texhnolyze101]

In the Lore, learning to be good at magic and be powerful takes training. Years of it. Mages aren't instantly capable of hurling out unstoppable magic because they are special little snowflakes. Even if a Tevinter Mage knows how to use a sword, he's not going to have spent the years of intense combat training a Templar, or Chevalier has. That time would be better spent by them honing their magical skill. Hence, in CQC, I'm going to put money on the man who studied swordplay and nothing but swordplay.

 

Mages are not unstoppable supermen who are good at everything and have no flaws. Not even in Tevinter.

 

Well be that as it may be warriors and rogues still bore me and always will so hybrids or pure mage for me.

[Storm King]

There's a lot of odd, possibly sexual, fetishes going on in this thread... most of them are not Anti-Mage related though, 

Just stop. Why can't you just let us enjoy the possibility of something swinging the mages way for once and giving us more RP choice? Choice is never a bad thing, no? 

On another note, I for one wholeheartedly agree; Magic Is Might 

[Super Drone]

That's Cool.

 

Do you secretly think of yourself as a Mage? Possibly because having magic is a euphemism for being smart and liking RPGs and books and stuff?

 

And then always assume that Mages should rule unchecked over the weak Mundanes because you secretly think of yourself as a Mage?

 

Even though magic isn't real? And if you were somehow transported to Thedas you probably wouldn't instantly become a Mage because Mages are a genetic inheritance and how smart you are has no bearing on whether you are a Mage or not?

 

just asking random questions....

 

[Pierce Miller]

It is stated that mages are very powerful as well yet they got their ass kicked in most of their battles.

I I doubt very much that circles were that helpful besides that clash with everything we saw if tevinter blood mages and battle mages were crushed on ease by qunari i doubt that circle mages were big challenge for them...

 

Pretty much qunari would crush tev if they wanted fenris says that.They took tevinter on ease first time while in war with rest of thedas i doubt they will have problem this time if of course they recovered problem is if they do it will repeat and everyone will unite against them which was biggest disadvantage for qunari that they didn't had so much warriors as thedas.

You say they got their ass kicked but Tevinter still stands doesn't it? Against blights, horned men and a heathen prophet, Tevinter shall never fall.

[Pierce Miller]

In the Lore, learning to be good at magic and be powerful takes training. Years of it. Mages aren't instantly capable of hurling out unstoppable magic because they are special little snowflakes. Even if a Tevinter Mage knows how to use a sword, he's not going to have spent the years of intense combat training a Templar, or Chevalier has. That time would be better spent by them honing their magical skill. Hence, in CQC, I'm going to put money on the man who studied swordplay and nothing but swordplay.

 

Mages are not unstoppable supermen who are good at everything and have no flaws. Not even in Tevinter.

Two words, Arcane Warrior

[Super Drone]

Just stop. Why can't you just let us enjoy the possibility of something swinging the mages way for once and giving us more RP choice? Choice is never a bad thing, no? 

On another note, I for one wholeheartedly agree; Magic Is Might 

 

Enslaving every non-mage on the continent goes a little beyond "swinging the Mages way". It probably also goes a little outside a story about sealing a hole in reality and killing a crapton of Demons....  

 

A story like that would need to be it's own game. You should write Bioware and ask them to make a AAA title about enslaving people... 

[Super Drone]

Two words, Arcane Warrior

 

Those guys that got wiped out by the Tevinter Empire? Except the last who trapped his soul in a gemstone for a thousand years to get away from them and went crazy from it? 

 

Those guys are winners. They struck me as objectively better than all other people.