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[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

 

no f*** way. Argus is one of the best AR in the entire game with the right kit.  Revenant is also good, its no Typhoon tough. Not even mentioning the sound and the feel of the gun. Argus and Revenant feels like a gun, and sounds like a gun. While Phaeston sounds like a toaster and feels like a toy.

 

While you're entitled to your opinion, however forcefully expressed, the Argus is only good if you can headshot. In which case, the Saber and Valkyrie are both clearly superior. The Revenant is a lot of fun, especially on a kit with RoF boost, but doesn't really do noticeably more damage than the Phaeston. The Phaeston, incidentally, actually sounds and feels far more like a realistic AR than most of the others.

[TheTechnoTurian]

re: everyone dissing the Phaeston

 

It doesn't melt 90% of things on the map like several guns in this game, but it's still a very solid and accessible weapon that shines particularly well on -- imagine this! -- a Turian Soldier. And yes, Marksman does in fact count, because having a power that makes otherwise middling damage weapons shine and competitive on higher difficulties is actually a Very Good Thing for the design, accessibility, and replay-ability of the game. It is Good to have a character that can make nearly all weapons successful, because this videogameshit would get extremely tedious if I was confined to just the narrow pool of URs and super-powered rares every time to be able to make a meaningful contribution to the match.  And with that said, a lightweight assault rifle with lots of spare ammo, decent stability and no ramp-up is good on all caster kits, too. I like it on Human Engineer, QFE, Justicar, Geth Engineer and -- obviously -- Turian Sentinel and Saboteur. 

 

That aside, Phaeston is uniquely perfect for Marksman since it has lots of spare ammo and is lightweight enough for the Turian Soldier to be able to comfortably use Prox-mine to debuff and have a low recharge going into Marksman, and all that extra headshot damage from Marksman makes it into a murder machine against mooks. Not that it fares too poorly against bosses, either -- in a solo it might struggle, yes, but soloing is an absurd sideshow and not the point of the game anyway, so who cares. 

 

Phaeston is an extremely solid gun on gold unless you're going for TopScore PubStar Mastery or something, because no, it's probably not going to outperform the reegars harriers  venoms arc pistols wraiths  talons hurrycanes etc. etc. It shouldn't, either, because those weapons are all broken anyway. Its performance is, however, roughly comparable to most of the rare assault rifles. Same can be said for the Mattock, perhaps, but I don't use macros and I'd like my trigger finger not to fall off, thanks 

 

So in conclusion, 1v1 me Phaeston hating babbies 

 

disclaimer: i actually don't really care if someone hates a video game gun i like or has a different opinion, i just like talking about the phaeston apparently

[Bud Halen]

If you put the Phaeston on the Human Engineer and spam powers [between gunfire], you will do better with the Phaeston than the Argus.

 

This modified sentence basically summarizes me.  I'm all about dat weight 'n reload speed.  

I'm a bigger fan of the CAR than most too...simply because of its modest weight and quick reload.

[Teh_Ocelot]

I've moved away from it as my choices have broadened, but TSol Phaeston has earnt me a fuckton of credits and exp in this game, so I've got nothing but love for it. 

 

Can't say the same for the Argus.

[Catastrophy]

I've recently completed my Vindicator challenge. For the first time... Put on lvl IV ammo and any gun does well. I'd take a Phaeston over Vindicator any time though. Argus and Valkyrie I only equip when I feel like I need an extra headshot challenge, but in the end full auto is usually best for me. AR gun play is quite rich in variety - I've more challenge completions in this class than with any other weapons.

[Alfonsedode]

i played the argus twice along challenge lately, and the stability mod isnt enough to land 1/2 HS per 3 burst without some more bonus, wether turian's or equipment. and thus I it suck with it quite much on non stability booster kit

[The NightMan Cometh]

Has nobody tried a Phaeston Destroyer.........   like ever..????

 

I find it very enjoyable...Incid or Disruptor ammo

[Alfonsedode]

Yeah, she's absolutely beastly - highest potential melee damage in the game as far as I remember.  I'd never tried her as anything other than a Sniper until QMR out-meleed my Krentinel.  In all our games that's the only thing that's ever come close to 'shots fired' by our illustrious Admiral. 

i checked the Krosent and got 2000/4600 LM/HM damage

and the QFI for 1000/6000 !!! (with the same -25% against armor for HM)

[Ashevajak]

While you're entitled to your opinion, however forcefully expressed, the Argus is only good if you can headshot. In which case, the Saber and Valkyrie are both clearly superior. The Revenant is a lot of fun, especially on a kit with RoF boost, but doesn't really do noticeably more damage than the Phaeston. The Phaeston, incidentally, actually sounds and feels far more like a realistic AR than most of the others.

 

I'm going to disagree here.  Of course it's brilliant on the herp derp Turian Soldier (ie; use guns with no downsides), but even without consistent headshots it still hits pretty damn hard, and it's also easier on the trigger finger than either the Saber or Valkyrie.

 

It's definitely not my first choice of AR, but I think it is quite underrated.

[kajtarp]

Has nobody tried a Phaeston Destroyer.........   like ever..????

 

I find it very enjoyable...Incid or Disruptor ammo

 

no, but i often play argus destroyer. 1 burst kills a centurion / maruder. with 1 clip you can kill like 7 enemies if you are accurate. with extended magazine, more.

 

 

i played the argus twice along challenge lately, and the stability mod isnt enough to land 1/2 HS per 3 burst without some more bonus, wether turian's or equipment. and thus I it suck with it quite much on non stability booster kit

 

 

hunter mode  / devestator mode / assault rifle scope / herp derp marksman + stability mod / stabilization mode / turian passive makes wonder with the gun. also dont forget the barrage upgrade gear. thats also helpful. As i said earlier, argus is godly with a right kit. I never claimed its good with every type of character. 

 

 

I'm going to disagree here.  Of course it's brilliant on the herp derp Turian Soldier (ie; use guns with no downsides), but even without consistent headshots it still hits pretty damn hard, and it's also easier on the trigger finger than either the Saber or Valkyrie.

 

It's definitely not my first choice of AR, but I think it is quite underrated.

 

Agree, Turian soldier turns every weapon to god mode. "XYZ gun is good on the TSol" is not even an argument.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

 

Phaeston is an extremely solid gun on gold unless you're going for TopScore PubStar Mastery or something, because no, it's probably not going to outperform the reegars ....

At this rate I'l be forced to post the recent scoreboard screenshot where the worst scrub in the galaxy (that is, me) took a Phaeston TSent to a pUUG and topscored despite the other 3 all carrying Reegars....

[Miniditka77]

This modified sentence basically summarizes me.  I'm all about dat weight 'n reload speed.  

I'm a bigger fan of the CAR than most too...simply because of its modest weight and quick reload.

 

I just think the non-UR ARs on this game are subpar all-around.  I like weapons that deliver more spike damage - I'd prefer using the Eviscerator or Disciple over the Phaeston on a power spam class for that reason.  And I am a huge CAR-hater, incidentally.  It's somewhat effective and I like the accuracy, but it should have weighed less or done more damage.  I just don't see any reason to use it over the Mattock or a mid-level Valkyrie.  Even the Phaeston is a superior choice on power-spam classes.

 

I'll give the Phaeston this though - it's halfway decent on a Cryo Soldier build.

 

i played the argus twice along challenge lately, and the stability mod isnt enough to land 1/2 HS per 3 burst without some more bonus, wether turian's or equipment. and thus I it suck with it quite much on non stability booster kit

 

No, the stability mod alone isn't enough.  You need 100% stability.  Any amount of recoil is going to cause your barrel to elevate and destroy your damage potential.  For the Argus to shine, you need to hit 2-3 headshots in every 3-round burst.  The Turian Sentinel is my favorite class for the Argus (as it is for most ARs) because he has passive stability, headshot bonuses, Overload as a stagger (which also turns the Argus from a 2-burst kill to a 1-burst kill on some enemies), and Warp to address the mediocre armor DPS of most ARs.  Best designed character on the game, IMO.

 

Is that enough for me to escape the wrath of TechnoTurian (even if I still think the Phaeston is crappy)?

[The NightMan Cometh]

 

 

Is that enough for me to escape the wrath of TechnoTurian 

 

Nobody escapes.

[TheNightSlasher]

Phaeston is an OK weapon in my opinion. It's pretty good for an uncommon but that's pretty much it. I use it (very rarely) on the TSol because lore and what not but that's it.

 

If I want to use a non-UR assault rifle on MM/DM/HM characters, I'll pick argus or even GPR due to headshot bonus. When accounted for stability and stuff, it hits pretty hard and can dispose off most mooks in 1-3 bursts (it's no saber though). If I am using a power-based character, I'll pick eviscerator or disciple or even striker or adas. Phaeston just isn't unique enough for me to use. It certainly isn't garbage but it is not all that great either.

 

Reg. argus, yes it needs stability bonuses to perform to its level. But when accounted for stability issues, it actually does a good job (unlike a certain other burst fire AR).

[Bud Halen]

I just think the non-UR ARs on this game are subpar all-around.  I like weapons that deliver more spike damage - I'd prefer using the Eviscerator or Disciple over the Phaeston on a power spam class for that reason.  And I am a huge CAR-hater, incidentally.  It's somewhat effective and I like the accuracy, but it should have weighed less or done more damage.  I just don't see any reason to use it over the Mattock or a mid-level Valkyrie.  Even the Phaeston is a superior choice on power-spam classes.

 

I'll give the Phaeston this though - it's halfway decent on a Cryo Soldier build.

 

+1

This would be where the Phaeston definitely turns certain people off.  If players go for weapon-based spike damage/hellfire, this is clearly NOT the gun to satisfy that desire.  But if you prefer to achieve spike damage and CC via powers/combos, a Phaeston (loaded with elemental ammo perhaps) fits perfectly.

 

To borrow terms from Dragon Age, I tend to function best as a Controller....while you might do better as more of a Damager.

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

I never claimed its good with every type of character.

no. You didn't.
But I am!
Equip just the scope and stability weapon mods. Shoot. Headshot headshot headshot. Any character. Any time.
The only thing that makes it a better/worse choice for a kit is synergy.

[Tupari]

Lately I've been liking this build. 

 

I know this post looks like a non-sequitur and I don't care, I have no deeply held opinions about assault rifles. 

[TheShadyEngineer]

IMO the phaeston is very VERY mediocre. It's a fine weapon on silver but on gold it just does too little damage for me to use it, especially against armor. Even with a piercing barrel equipped. Aside from its' mediocre damage, it's also inaccurate. Recoil wise it doesn't kick too much but it blooms like a motherducker. I don't know.. Just not a fan I guess. It is a pretty good gun for spreading ammo powers around, I'll give it that. That, icendiary/warp and RP reasons is why I sometimes use it on my Tsent.

 

As for phaeston being better than before mentioned assault rifles.. I haven't used the striker or revenant enough to comment but I do think argus is superior to the phaeston IF the player is willing to overstack it with stability and has good aim, otherwise the phaeston is easier to use with its' high capcity, high ROF and short reload. Sure you can miss 10 rounds but you have 80 more. Basically phaeston is more noob friendly.

 

Imo argus > saber
Phaeston > ppr

What's your reasoning for these? Not bashing ya, just genuinely interested.

 

no, but i often play argus destroyer. 1 burst kills a centurion / maruder. with 1 clip you can kill like 7 enemies if you are accurate. with extended magazine, more.

Kill a centurion with one burst on what difficulty and with what kit?

 

[kajtarp]

 

Kill a centurion with one burst on what difficulty and with what kit?

 

as i said destroyer soldier. any difficulty. you just need to aim for head

[GruntKitterhand]

 

Phaeston is uniquely perfect for Marksman since it has lots of spare ammo and is lightweight enough for the Turian Soldier to be able to comfortably use Prox-mine to debuff and have a low recharge going into Marksman, and all that extra headshot damage makes it into a murder machine against mooks. Not that it fares too poorly against bosses, either -- in a solo it might struggle, yes, but soloing is an absurd sideshow and not the point of the game anyway, so who cares. 

 

I think it's worth singling this part out for emphasis - it really is more than simply a case of everything being good on the TSol.

 

I find the debate very interesting, as there are people I tend to agree with on many things offering opposing views.

 

The challenge points I've scored with ARs (as opposed to the ARs I use most, which are two very different things) are in the following order:

 

Harrier (17), Lancer, Saber, Typhoon, CAR, Striker, Phaeston (8), ADAS, Falcon, GPR, Spitfire, Revenant, PPR, Mattock, Valkyrie, Avenger, Argus (2), Vindicator.

 

I vowed never to use the Argus again after completing the challenge points the first time.  Then a similar discussion to this one convinced me that I was a scrub, so I did the challenge points again, hoping to see what I'd been missing.  Then I metaphorically airlocked the goddamn piece of crap.  I rarely host, so I can only assume that the required fabled Turian stability was lacking.  Or I'm just a scrub.  It's ok though, being a scrub sits fine with me. 

 

I went pugging with Stephen last week, using a TSent / Phaeston, and the game was followed by a one-word message - "lolphaeston!" Trust me, it was meant in a good way, and I guess I should emphasize that I don't care about score, but I do care about extracting.  I'll extract if I have a Phaeston, 9 times out of 10. The Fat Turian it will inevitably be in the care of has little to do with it, except adding style and swagger, obviously.

[stephenw32768]

I went pugging with Stephen last week, using a TSent / Phaeston, and the game was followed by a one-word message - "lolphaeston!" Trust me, it was meant in a good way, and I guess I should emphasize that I don't care about score, but I do care about extracting.  I'll extract if I have a Phaeston, 9 times out of 10. The Fat Turian it will inevitably be in the care of has little to do with it, except adding style and swagger, obviously.

 

Even though you don't care about score, pugging with me is a great way of ensuring that you're not last on the scoreboard   That was a good game though, the nasty toasters trolled our turians so hard, but we sent them packing.  (Well, you did; my TSab spent most of the time either on the floor or flailing around attempting to keep control of his jetboots )

 

Aside: I understand what you mean about caring about extracting, it's the reason why I still pug Silver more than Gold if I'm not playing with friends.

[TheTechnoTurian]

The Fat Turian it will inevitably be in the care of has little to do with it, except adding style and swagger, obviously.

 

To be fair this is the most important function of the fat turian 

[7twozero]

Considering its accessibility as an uncommon I think it's one of the best ars in the game, its shortcomings are much more easily made up for than many other assault rifles'. Zoom in or otherwise reduce bloom and add some damage and you're all set. Light, stable, fast reload, lots of ammo. It's not op but it's still good.

[TheTechnoTurian]

I just think the non-UR ARs on this game are subpar all-around. I like weapons that deliver more spike damage - I'd prefer using the Eviscerator or Disciple over the Phaeston on a power spam class for that reason. And I am a huge CAR-hater, incidentally. It's somewhat effective and I like the accuracy, but it should have weighed less or done more damage. I just don't see any reason to use it over the Mattock or a mid-level Valkyrie. Even the Phaeston is a superior choice on power-spam classes.

I'll give the Phaeston this though - it's halfway decent on a Cryo Soldier build.


No, the stability mod alone isn't enough. You need 100% stability. Any amount of recoil is going to cause your barrel to elevate and destroy your damage potential. For the Argus to shine, you need to hit 2-3 headshots in every 3-round burst. The Turian Sentinel is my favorite class for the Argus (as it is for most ARs) because he has passive stability, headshot bonuses, Overload as a stagger (which also turns the Argus from a 2-burst kill to a 1-burst kill on some enemies), and Warp to address the mediocre armor DPS of most ARs. Best designed character on the game, IMO.

Is that enough for me to escape the wrath of TechnoTurian (even if I still think the Phaeston is crappy)?

This opinion is beautiful and I wish to marry it

Nobody escapes.

This is still true however.

vv Edit: damn it Tupari

[Tupari]

Is that enough for me to escape the wrath of TechnoTurian (even if I still think the Phaeston is crappy)?

 

 

Nobody escapes.

 

I don't think the wrath of TheTechnoTurian is something to be worried about. The most she can do is nip at your ankles.