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[KaiserShep]

I'd just called her Khal. That's badass.

 

Sek...

[Vapaa]

So if Cassandra was straight, then she'll probably stay straight.

 

But was she ?

 

The assumption that we would have 4 bi Lis only partially came from DA2, it was also based on the declaration that "there wouldn't be more romances in DAI". Now we don't know how much has changed with the delay, but obviously race gating was introduced...IF gender gating was added as well (as opposed to "was always there") that woud mean Cassandra was bi, as well as Sera.

 

Or that she wasn't a LI at all...

 

Speculations

[daveliam]

So if Cassandra was straight, then she'll probably stay straight.

 

I tend to think that they created 6 romances (2/2/2 with the NPCs being bisexual), then with the extended dev time, they added in a few "bonus" race-gated romances (Iron Bull and/or Varric).  If that's the case, I suspect that the original romances are not race gated and will probably stay the same orientation as they were intended.  Since Sera is the lesbian, I suspect Cass will be straight and Scribe Girl is bisexual.  For the guys, I think it will either be Blackwall or Solas as the straight guy, Cullen as the bi guy, and Dorian as the gay guy.  Then I think that IB will be bisexual for humans and qunari and Varric, if he's included at all, would be a dwarf only option.  Of course that's pure speculation and I might be completely wrong.

 

I think that the fact that Sera is still a lesbian is a good indication that any straight females that existed before the extended dev time, are still straight.

[Hellion Rex]

http://pamqueri.tumblr.com/

[fighterchick]

I tend to think that they created 6 romances (2/2/2 with the NPCs being bisexual), then with the extended dev time, they added in a few "bonus" race-gated romances (Iron Bull and/or Varric).  If that's the case, I suspect that the original romances are not race gated and will probably stay the same orientation as they were intended.  Since Sera is the lesbian, I suspect Cass will be straight and Scribe Girl is bisexual.  For the guys, I think it will either be Blackwall or Solas as the straight guy, Cullen as the bi guy, and Dorian as the gay guy.  Then I think that IB will be bisexual for humans and qunari and Varric, if he's included at all, would be a dwarf only option.  Of course that's pure speculation and I might be completely wrong.

 

I think that the fact that Sera is still a lesbian is a good indication that any straight females that existed before the extended dev time, are still straight.

 

Oooh, I hadn't thought about them adding the race-gated romance after the fact.  I'd love it if they did and they were more "bonus" rather than set in stone with the imagined six I think we already have!  I tend to be pessimistic, so I don't think that's the case, but I hope it is!

[ladyofpayne]

I will make Bull mooing from passion.

[Hellion Rex]

By the Queen

[Basement Cat]

I will make Bull mooing from passion.

 

Well, Iron Bull is one horny guy. The Inquisitor is gonna milk it for all it's worth. (oh Maker, it's an attack of punitis! Run for the hills!)

[Fialka]

Oooh, I hadn't thought about them adding the race-gated romance after the fact.  I'd love it if they did and they were more "bonus" rather than set in stone with the imagined six I think we already have!  I tend to be pessimistic, so I don't think that's the case, but I hope it is!

If you read the very first post in this thread, and Allan's clarification posts later, this is definitely the impression they give off.  That there were set romances to begin with (which I assume were not race-gated), and then as they wrote some of the other characters, that originally were not supposed to be LIs, the writers went 'hey, wouldn't it be cool of he/she was romanceable?'  The caveat being they didn't have the time/budget/what have you to make it available for everyone unless the romance itself suffered, or something else suffered - hence the so-called 'race-gating.'  Just my interpretation though...

[Clockwork_Wings]

If you read the very first post in this thread, and Allan's clarification posts later, this is definitely the impression they give off. That there were set romances to begin with (which I assume were not race-gated), and then as they wrote some of the other characters, that originally were not supposed to be LIs, the writers went 'hey, wouldn't it be cool of he/she was romanceable?' The caveat being they didn't have the time/budget/what have you to make it available for everyone unless the romance itself suffered, or something else suffered - hence the so-called 'race-gating.' Just my interpretation though...

That's kind of interesting.

[Former_Fiend]

It's a more optimistic view of it than I'm willing to take yet.

[Grieving Natashina]

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Yeah, I don't get it either.

 

If you read the very first post in this thread, and Allan's clarification posts later, this is definitely the impression they give off.  That there were set romances to begin with (which I assume were not race-gated), and then as they wrote some of the other characters, that originally were not supposed to be LIs, the writers went 'hey, wouldn't it be cool of he/she was romanceable?'  The caveat being they didn't have the time/budget/what have you to make it available for everyone unless the romance itself suffered, or something else suffered - hence the so-called 'race-gating.'  Just my interpretation though...

That's same point of thinking I've reached as well.  This is why I still have a bit of hope about Varric.  It would be a wonderful surprise bonus.  I don't expect to get it, so I can't be disappointed if it doesn't happen.  

 

It's a more optimistic view of it than I'm willing to take yet.

If you don't mind me asking, what's your opinion?

 

Edit: I'm of the same mindset as dave, and I can't blame you for being down about this.  

[daveliam]

If you read the very first post in this thread, and Allan's clarification posts later, this is definitely the impression they give off.  That there were set romances to begin with (which I assume were not race-gated), and then as they wrote some of the other characters, that originally were not supposed to be LIs, the writers went 'hey, wouldn't it be cool of he/she was romanceable?'  The caveat being they didn't have the time/budget/what have you to make it available for everyone unless the romance itself suffered, or something else suffered - hence the so-called 'race-gating.'  Just my interpretation though...

 

This is how I read Allan's post as well.  It would also make sense with him mentioning the animation concerns.  So a character like IB could have been on the table as an LI, but scrapped because it would have been too costly to make him a full-on romance.  Then, when they got extended time, they could have thought "Well, what the hell?  Let's make him an LI, but, since he's an "extra" romance, it's not a big deal if he's limited to qunari so we can avoid the animation issues."  It's the same reason I'm not completely ruling Varric out at this point.  They could have been, "Well, what the hell?  If IB is in for qunari, let's put Varric in for dwarves too".  This is, of course, all speculation.

 

It's a more optimistic view of it than I'm willing to take yet.

 

Totally understandable.  I can't help being optimistic because it keeps my interest going.  I just have to keep reminding myself that, as long as gay males get two options, they have at least provided us with the same amount of LI's as in DA 2.  Anything beyond that, and it's a total bonus. 

[In Exile]

An important question that occurs to me is whether the race-gated romances will have race specific romance content. If my dwarf or qunari inquistor only has one male and one female LI option, will that option discuss their race at length? That seems like a necessary trade-off to me. 

 

I tend to think that they created 6 romances (2/2/2 with the NPCs being bisexual), then with the extended dev time, they added in a few "bonus" race-gated romances (Iron Bull and/or Varric).  If that's the case, I suspect that the original romances are not race gated and will probably stay the same orientation as they were intended.  Since Sera is the lesbian, I suspect Cass will be straight and Scribe Girl is bisexual.  For the guys, I think it will either be Blackwall or Solas as the straight guy, Cullen as the bi guy, and Dorian as the gay guy.  Then I think that IB will be bisexual for humans and qunari and Varric, if he's included at all, would be a dwarf only option.  Of course that's pure speculation and I might be completely wrong.

 

I think that the fact that Sera is still a lesbian is a good indication that any straight females that existed before the extended dev time, are still straight.

 

It's important to keep in mind that before the delay, the PC was human only. So if they had finished 6 romances, they would only have finished the human Inquisitor portion of them. 

[In Exile]

Totally understandable.  I can't help being optimistic because it keeps my interest going.  I just have to keep reminding myself that, as long as gay males get two options, they have at least provided us with the same amount of LI's as in DA 2.  Anything beyond that, and it's a total bonus. 

 

I hold out for the day Bioware makes a dude I actually would like. 

[Clockwork_Wings]

This is how I read Allan's post as well. It would also make sense with him mentioning the animation concerns. So a character like IB could have been on the table as an LI, but scrapped because it would have been too costly to make him a full-on romance. Then, when they got extended time, they could have thought "Well, what the hell? Let's make him an LI, but, since he's an "extra" romance, it's not a big deal if he's limited to qunari so we can avoid the animation issues." It's the same reason I'm not completely ruling Varric out at this point. They could have been, "Well, what the hell? If IB is in for qunari, let's put Varric in for dwarves too". This is, of course, all speculation.


Totally understandable. I can't help being optimistic because it keeps my interest going. I just have to keep reminding myself that, as long as gay males get two options, they have at least provided us with the same amount of LI's as in DA 2. Anything beyond that, and it's a total bonus.

One can hope. I'm still crossing my fingers for having Varric romance all races.

[Argahawk]

One can hope. I'm still crossing my fingers for having Varric romance all races.

I do the same for Cassandra available as romance for both genders and all races.

 

If not will just leave her in camp/castle and take other warrior with me

[Fiery Phoenix]

I hold out for the day Bioware makes a dude I actually would like. 

Do you mean as a potential LI or just a decent character in general?

[Grieving Natashina]

 

It's important to keep in mind that before the delay, the PC was human only. So if they had finished 6 romances, they would only have finished the human Inquisitor portion of them. 

Well, I think I know what one of the things the writing team was working on this last year/year and a half.  

 

I feel silly that I didn't realize that sooner.  

 

Spoiler

[azarhal]

This is how I read Allan's post as well.  It would also make sense with him mentioning the animation concerns.  So a character like IB could have been on the table as an LI, but scrapped because it would have been too costly to make him a full-on romance.  Then, when they got extended time, they could have thought "Well, what the hell?  Let's make him an LI, but, since he's an "extra" romance, it's not a big deal if he's limited to qunari so we can avoid the animation issues."  It's the same reason I'm not completely ruling Varric out at this point.  They could have been, "Well, what the hell?  If IB is in for qunari, let's put Varric in for dwarves too".  This is, of course, all speculation.

 

People seems to forget real fast that the game until last summer only had playable human Inquisitor. The original LI were designed to support a single race, not four of them. The animation cost issues do not apply only to possible new LI, it impact the old ones as well, especially the bisexual choices who find themselves going from 2 to 8 in term of animation cost, while the set orientation only go from 1 to 4.

[jlb524]

I do the same for Cassandra available as romance for both genders and all races.

 

If not will just leave her in camp/castle and take other warrior with me

 

I'm still having trouble wrapping my own head around the 'if I can't romance someone they are dead to me and I will never use them' thing.

 

If you really like the character enough to want to romance them more than anyone else, wouldn't you still want to get the most out of interacting with them regardless of romance?

 

Cassandra can still tank for me regardless of what happens.

 

I'll even heal her sometimes.

[Basement Cat]

I'm still having trouble wrapping my own head around the 'if I can't romance someone they are dead to me and I will never use them' thing.

 

If you really like the character enough to want to romance them more than anyone else, wouldn't you still want to get the most out of interacting with them regardless of romance?

 

Cassandra can still tank for me regardless of what happens.

 

I'll even heal her sometimes.

Because she won't need more than a few touch ups. She's that badass. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm still having trouble wrapping my own head around the 'if I can't romance someone they are dead to me and I will never use them' thing.

 

If you really like the character enough to want to romance them more than anyone else, wouldn't you still want to get the most out of interacting with them regardless of romance?

 

Cassandra can still tank for me regardless of what happens.

 

I'll even heal her sometimes.

Could be because of how ME2/3 treated certain characters outside of their romantic subplots. Being locked out of a romance because of arbitrary gender restrictions may have caused some to 'turn off' and lose all interest in these characters. I particularly remember seeing complaints to that effect with ME3's Ashley (from those that wanted to romance her as FemShep), though there weren't a whole lot of them.

 

Regardless, I'm not too bothered if the character(s) I want isn't available. As I've said before, I think Dragon Age in general has been pretty good with the whole friendship vs. romance thing, unlike ME.

[Maria Caliban]

I'd hope they are beyond changing characters for fan service.

I expect that characters are changed in numerous ways over time, and that how the creators believe the audience will react to the character influences those changes.

Varric is a character who started out as more slimy and underhanded. He developed into the character we know in part because they wanted the player to feel like he was their buddy.

Cassandra can still tank for me regardless of what happens.

I'll even heal her sometimes.

I swear, my sticking you in front and having everyone beat the stuffing out of you would be my plan even if we were in a relationship!

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

I'm still having trouble wrapping my own head around the 'if I can't romance someone they are dead to me and I will never use them' thing.

If you really like the character enough to want to romance them more than anyone else, wouldn't you still want to get the most out of interacting with them regardless of romance?

Cassandra can still tank for me regardless of what happens.

I'll even heal her sometimes.

This!