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[XMissWooX]

When its included in the Official Lore book.?

You mean WoT?
There is a lot of concept art in there, but it isn't necessarily representative of what is in the game.

The whole point of concept art is to experiment with different looks. Sometimes, those looks don't make the cut, either because they didn't achieve the look the designers were going for or because the game couldn't handle the designs.
For example, Alistair and Merrill look entirely different in their concept art than they do in the games.
I don't think that we should view any concept art as 100% official as to how a character/setting/object/etc. will look, or are supposed to look.

Edit: not to mention, that concept art of the different races was apparently posted 4 years ago. A lot could have changed since then.
Source: http://blog.bioware....r-matt-goldman/

[Turnip]

Alpha means feature complete. It means that all of the game mechanics, and levels are essentially set in stone.

 

Beta means Asset Complete. That means that all of the art assets, textures, sounds, and stuff like that is in the game.

 

 

That is correct. Alpha is bug fixing and making sure they have all the features down. Beta is solely bug testing and fixing.

 

Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. In case it wasn't clear, I don't know a whole lot about game development. At all.

[SnakeCode]

Why do I find the Witcher's either Women Card Game or Witcher 2's porn untasteful? I think a better question is asking why people find those scenes tasteful. I'll grant them the Triss in the Elven Bath scene, but every other scene is just  .

I'll grant you the cards from the first game. But I thought the scenes in TW2 were pretty tasteful tbh. I don't know why you would compare them to pornography. Most people do tend to get naked when they have sex and besides a few nipples nothing explicit is ever shown.

[Samahl]

Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. In case it wasn't clear, I don't know a whole lot about game development. At all.

Me neither. And I'm supposed to be a burgeoning developer myself. /shame

[Gwydden]

I'll grant you the cards from the first game. But I thought the scenes in TW2 were pretty tasteful tbh. I don't know why you would compare them to pornography. Most people do tend to get naked when they have sex and besides a few nipples nothing explicit is ever shown.

That explains a lot. I can't believe I've been going about it all wrong.

[Turnip]

Me neither. And I'm supposed to be a burgeoning developer myself. /shame

 

*pats shoulder* It's okay, I won't tell anyone.

[Ajna]

Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. In case it wasn't clear, I don't know a whole lot about game development. At all.

Why would you?  You're a turnip

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. In case it wasn't clear, I don't know a whole lot about game development. At all.

No problem.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'll grant you the cards from the first game. But I thought the scenes in TW2 were pretty tasteful tbh. I don't know why you would compare them to pornography. Most people do tend to get naked when they have sex and besides a few nipples nothing explicit is ever shown.

From the incessant obviously fake moaning to the stupid camera angles, there are many ways I can see it as porn. Because it is. 

 

And this is ignoring the obvious 'let's have the woman completely naked but Geralt still in his buttoned up pants' thing. 

[SurelyForth]

Yeah I don't get that either and I've personally wanted to have dwarf romance ever since getting to know Sigrun in DAA. Not sure why elves get a free pass though but for some reason to some people qunari LI=fetish and dwarf LI=child bride at least according to some posts I've seen in my lurking days.

 

I think the qunari topic popped up before we'd even met an qunari female- so it was safe to assume that most people who wanted to bang female qunari wanted to do so because of how they looked.

 

IDK about the dwarf thing, especially as it edges into some gross territory because there are RL people who are the same size/proportion as DA dwarves and I can't imagine anyone would be ok with calling attraction to those men and women a fetish.

 

And the ironic thing about all of this is is that human attraction to elves in DA lore is highly fetishistic. It's brought up several times in the games and books. I'd say Maric's attraction to Katriel has fetishy overtones, and that's carried into one of Alistair's comments to an elven Warden (that he's attracted to her especially because she's not human, which is meant to be comforting, I suppose, but after the City Elf origin and Zevran's comments about elven assassins being useful for seducing targets, it sent my Tabris running the other way). 

[Turnip]

Why would you?  You're a turnip

 

Hey! I'll have you know we turnips are a VERY proud VERY intelligent group of people! Except for FERELDEN Turnips. Screw those guys.

[Gwydden]

From the incessant obviously fake moaning to the stupid camera angles, there are many ways I can see it as porn. Because it is. 

 

And this is ignoring the obvious 'let's have the woman completely naked but Geralt still in his buttoned up pants' thing. 

Delightful.

 

Here's to hoping DAI has some interesting pre and post-scene dialogue. That's always been my favorite part about those scenes. I find the actual sequence to usually lack... believable passion.

[Ryzaki]

I think the qunari topic popped up before we'd even met an qunari female- so it was safe to assume that most people who wanted to bang female qunari wanted to do so because of how they looked.

 

IDK about the dwarf thing, especially as it edges into some gross territory because there are RL people who are the same size/proportion as DA dwarves and I can't imagine anyone would be ok with calling attraction to those men and women a fetish.

 

And the ironic thing about all of this is is that human attraction to elves in DA lore is highly fetishistic. It's brought up several times in the games and books. I'd say Maric's attraction to Katriel has fetishy overtones, and that's carried into one of Alistair's comments to an elven Warden (that he's attracted to her especially because she's not human, which is meant to be comforting, I suppose, but after the City Elf origin and Zevran's comments about elven assassins being useful for seducing targets, it sent my Tabris running the other way). 

 

I always got the impression that the CE female was supposed to be the most attractive of all the protagonists. Even Loghain remarks on how pretty the CE fem looks.

[Deviija]

I beg your pardon?

 

When was the last time you saw a heroic, strong, cool male character that didn't have a chiseled jaw and abs you could knock on?

 

Name someone who isnt Tyrion Lannister.

 

Easy.  Mario, Luigi, Guybrush Threepwood, Leisure Suit Larry, the various young/skinny androgynous Jrpg protagonists and party companions, just look at the varied and different shapes and sizes and weight within Team Fortress 2's cast of dudes, Max Payne, Gordon Freeman... I could go on.  

 

Seth Rogen recently played Green Hornet, a superhero, and he doesn't have a chiseled jaw or abs or is overly muscular in any way.   

 

None of it has to do with the sexualization of men, however.  Possessing muscles, chiseled jaw, and built to look strong does not automatically equate to sexualization.   Muscles, rugged looks, strength -- this is idealized body imagery of men.  A man looking strong, capable, muscular, grizzled, (hyper)masculine isn't done solely to appeal to women, it is done much more to appeal to other men.  It is part of the male heroic power fantasy.  Hawke or Shepard in BioWare's trailers, chiseled and muscular, capable and embattled, isn't firstly or even secondly created for women to look at and go ga-ga over.  It is made for men, to play out their heroic power fantasy.  In that way, it isn't sexualization.  

 

Women, by contrast, are created and portrayed with a heavy bias toward being attractive and someone the player/male audience wants to sleep with.  The progressive sexualization of Samus Aran over the years and pre-reboot Lara Croft are easy examples of that.  It's not as though dude heroes are in skimpy catsuits (and less) like in Mass Effect, or making moaning sounds while crawling through tight spaces and a camera focused on the butt like in certain Tomb Raider games.  They're not often created solely to tap into a woman heroic power fantasy without sexualized trappings.  

[Samahl]

I think the qunari topic popped up before we'd even met an qunari female- so it was safe to assume that most people who wanted to bang female qunari wanted to do so because of how they looked.

 

IDK about the dwarf thing, especially as it edges into some gross territory because there are RL people who are the same size/proportion as DA dwarves and I can't imagine anyone would be ok with calling attraction to those men and women a fetish.

 

And the ironic thing about all of this is is that human attraction to elves in DA lore is highly fetishistic. It's brought up several times in the games and books. I'd say Maric's attraction to Katriel has fetishy overtones, and that's carried into one of Alistair's comments to an elven Warden (that he's attracted to her especially because she's not human, which is meant to be comforting, I suppose, but after the City Elf origin and Zevran's comments about elven assassins being useful for seducing targets, it sent my Tabris running the other way). 

Ah, this brings back memories of Leliana's laughable attempts at justifying Orlesian fetishization of elves.

[Gwydden]

Women, by contrast, are created and portrayed with a heavy bias toward being attractive and someone the player/male audience wants to sleep with.  The progressive sexualization of Samus Aran over the years and pre-reboot Lara Croft are easy examples of that.  It's not as though dude heroes are in skimpy catsuits (and less) like in Mass Effect, or making moaning sounds while crawling through tight spaces and a camera focused on the butt like in certain Tomb Raider games.  They're not often created solely to tap into a woman heroic power fantasy without sexualized trappings.  

You know a lot of people, male and female both, prefer to play protagonists they consider attractive, right?

 

And male characters should totally wear catsuits more often.

[Ryzaki]

You know a lot of people, male and female both, prefer to play protagonists they consider attractive, right?

 

I only have an issue with it when females are only displayed as sexy with no agency of her own, has to be rescued by the men in her life and are terrible protagonists.

 

You can have a sexy, powerful female that's not a sex object.

[SnakeCode]

From the incessant obviously fake moaning to the stupid camera angles, there are many ways I can see it as porn. Because it is. 

 

And this is ignoring the obvious 'let's have the woman completely naked but Geralt still in his buttoned up pants' thing. 

I agree it's pretty stupid to have one character partially clothed while the other isn't, but it still doesn't change the fact that nothing is really shown. And Tbf (iirc) Geralt is naked in some of the scenes.

 

I'm not seeing how the camera angles were particularly stupid, and i'm not buying the whole moaning thing. That isn't exclusive to pornography, some people IRL make a lot of noise, and some don't.

 

I just feel that the Witcher games kind of get the ME1 Fox News treatment on these boards. Many people write it off as a misgynistic sex simulator without having ever played the games.

[HuldraDancer]

I think the qunari topic popped up before we'd even met an qunari female- so it was safe to assume that most people who wanted to bang female qunari wanted to do so because of how they looked.

 

IDK about the dwarf thing, especially as it edges into some gross territory because there are RL people who are the same size/proportion as DA dwarves and I can't imagine anyone would be ok with calling attraction to those men and women a fetish.

 

And the ironic thing about all of this is is that human attraction to elves in DA lore is highly fetishistic. It's brought up several times in the games and books. I'd say Maric's attraction to Katriel has fetishy overtones, and that's carried into one of Alistair's comments to an elven Warden (that he's attracted to her especially because she's not human, which is meant to be comforting, I suppose, but after the City Elf origin and Zevran's comments about elven assassins being useful for seducing targets, it sent my Tabris running the other way). 

Okay I guess I can see the qunari thing then though I thought there was some people who wanted a Sten romance in the first game and I know there was lots of love for the Arishok by some fans so it never came across as fetish to me *shrugs*

 

Which makes the dwarf thing even more odd to me especially when I see such arguments as 'they look like kids' which they really don't unless your someone who think short=child which is pretty stupid to me. Though I've wanted a dwarf romance since Sigrun then really wanted one when I met Gorim in the DN origin.

 

Thats what I don't get elves get a free pass for this and its mentioned in game all the time that elves are apparently more nice to look at (never heard that dialog with Alistair though but then again I never romanced him as an elf, though his dialog with a dwarven warden is quite sweet) If I recall correctly even Loghain tells your city elf warden that she's pretty and I don't recall him saying the same to any other female wardens just the city elf one.

 

Maybe someone could explain why elves are okay but dwarves and qunaris are crossing some kind of line. 

[Samahl]

Maybe someone could explain why elves are okay but dwarves and qunaris are crossing some kind of line. 

Because dwarves and qunari are too niche/weird. Elves are the traditionally beautiful race.

Racial fetishization is gross when applied to anybody, but some fetishes are considered more acceptable than others in the eyes of society.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah pretty sure the Loghain remark is female CE exclusive. Any one else he marks on their origin or race.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Delightful.

 

Here's to hoping DAI has some interesting pre and post-scene dialogue. That's always been my favorite part about those scenes. I find the actual sequence to usually lack... believable passion.

If they can do the Liara scene in ME3(except not have Inquisitor in underwear like Shepard), I think that would be best. That was erotic yet tasteful. And had great pre and post scene talks, though all romances had that. 

[zestalyn]

I got a feeling that whoever came up with that 'shirt' design for female qunari doesn't have boobs. Or know anything about practical garment construction and fit.

If these women did anything as much as jump, their boobs would fall out. Unless they are A-cup, or if the fabric was really good stiff and tight spandex, which they're totally not lol....

Hopefully they won't appear anywhere in the game. Like...outside of brothels, where girls don't have to worry about their bits hanging out. It might actually do something to my suspension of disbelief lol... 
 

Maybe someone could explain why elves are okay but dwarves and qunaris are crossing some kind of line. 

I don't have anything against qunari/dwarven romances. But I imagine elves are more acceptable simply because they basically look like humans. I don't know why they see qunari/dwarves as passing a line though. They clearly just have very conservative tastes. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I agree it's pretty stupid to have one character partially clothed while the other isn't, but it still doesn't change the fact that nothing is really shown. And Tbf (iirc) Geralt is naked in some of the scenes.

 

I'm not seeing how the camera angles were particularly stupid, and i'm not buying the whole moaning thing. That isn't exclusive to pornography, some people IRL make a lot of noise, and some don't.

 

I just feel that the Witcher games kind of get the ME1 Fox News treatment on these boards. Many people write it off as a misgynistic sex simulator without having ever played the games.

I'd link a video to prove my points, but I don't want a warning point for it. 

Unlike ME1, the Witcher series deserves that treatment. And I have played it, though I wish I hadn't. 

 

But fine, see it as tasteful. I can't change your opinion. Meanwhile I'll still see it as one of the biggest insults to everything romance-related in gaming. Now let's stop talking about it. I'm getting ill just thinking about it.