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#3101
TheChris92

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FFIX and X are both awesome with romance. I can't think of any other memorable romances I care about from any other JRPGs, but there are a few good ones out there.

This is both a response to you and the guy you quoted. I can think of a few -- Namely the Persona games. To me the 'love' scenarios in that game were written, and felt, more down to earth without unecessary awkward sex scenes and not making them overly important for character development, except that they still provided a certain amount of growth for otherwise excellent characters. Now, back to the discussion about BioMances before the inevitable derailing.


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#3102
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The idea that you have to protect an 18+ audience from nipples I just find a bit silly.

 

Between nipples and sex scenes there's quite a gap.

 

And it's not because I'm over 18 that I want to see (poorly rendered) sex scenes.



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Right. :P


Sigh. Asexuals are allowe to appreciate aesthetics and humorous situations.
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#3104
Gwydden

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Sigh. Asexuals are allowe to appreciate aesthetics and humorous situations.

I'm pretty sure it was a joke. I am most certainly not asexual, yet I still tried the threesome only because it was hilarious.



#3105
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Sigh. Asexuals are allowe to appreciate aesthetics and humorous situations.

 

Nah. They're boring, emotionless sexual-robots that abhor fun.



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Milan92

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Sigh. Asexuals are allowe to appreciate aesthetics and humorous situations.

 

I know, Yuki. Just teasing you :3



#3107
shit's fucked cunts

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Nah.



#3108
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Rating always influences content, or the other way around. Some people aim for specific ratings where as others just make what they want and let the chips fall where they land.

 

The idea that you have to protect an 18+ audience from nipples I just find a bit silly.

Only female nipples though. You can get away with throwing guys nipples all over the place and not even get a PG-13 rating.  :P


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#3109
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This is my impression as well.  As Luke mentioned in the Sera thread, we do try to create characters first.

 

I understand that. You guys are focused on creating deep/interesting characters. That's great!

 

However, if people want a Qunari character with a romance storyline. Why can't you guys create a deep/interesting Qunari character with a romance storyline.

 

Honestly, as a straight male who has no interest in a Bioware game without a romance, (it just feels wrong after a decade of Bioware games) Dragon Age has yet to have a Romance storyline that I enjoyed.

 

My hopes for DA3 romance aren't very high. At first glance, Vivienne and Cassandra aren't that interesting and with Sera being taken out of the equation, my only hope lies with Scribbles. :(

 

To Summarize: I'm keeping Sten, Shale, Alistair and Aveline. You can have the rest back in exchange for a Qunari companion with a romance storyline!

 

Oh! Also, make Scribbles awesome! and Romancable! Thanks! :)



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Mass Effect carries a 15 rating so that suits the game. DA carries an 18 rating so I'm not sure why they can't just show people having sex,like you know people do. 

 

Because we don't want to?  If it helps you can consider us all prudes I guess.


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I understand that. You guys are focused on creating deep/interesting characters. That's great!

 

However, if people want a Qunari character with a romance storyline. Why can't you guys create a deep/interesting Qunari character with a romance storyline.

 

Why must we?



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Why must we?


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#3113
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Why must we?

 

I'm not saying you MUST.

 

Obviously people want it and I'm having trouble accepting your, "We won't because we focus on characters first!" arguement. It just seems like you could focus on creating a Qunari Character...

 

I'm also saying that the majority of the characters you guys have focused on thus far are not very interesting.

 

That's just my personal opinion though.



#3114
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I don't really care about the sex scenes that much as In, I don't care how far they go and If I don't like it I'll just skip like i did with Origins.  :whistle:

 

I don't really think there is a need to have nudity and all that in the game though, romances are fun for roleplaying, it's nice that your character can fall in love (or whatever) as an option. That doesn't mean it has to turn into weird animated porn and it being an 18+ rated game shouldn't mean that either. 

 

but as I said I don't really care and will just skip if I don't want to watch it. 



#3115
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Dwarves are for punting, not romancing.



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No harm in fans for asking for it anyway.

 

Let's not forget that it was because of fans openly drooling all over Garrus after ME1 that he became a LI in the subsequent games.



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Dwarves are for punting, not romancing.


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Shark17676

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Because dwarves and qunari are too niche/weird.

 

By that logic, Liara, Garrus, Thane, and Tali didn't deserve to be LIs, either.


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Making such a body part behave in a believable manner during a sex scene would be... hard (pun totally intended). And weird. I wouldn't want to be the animator tasked to do that. Not to mention a lot of people would rather not see any kind of genitals on their computer screen. A "no genitals" rule seems perfectly reasonable.

 

I have been trying to figure out the "no female nipples" rule for a long time now, to no avail.

 

Yeah, no genitals seems like a good boundary. It'd just be weird for me >_>. I'm fine with potential butts and nipples though. I mean, we have male nipples all over the place, what's wrong with doing the same for women? (I say this as a gay man who is very confused with how sexualized female breasts are...so I guess if it's an attempt to avoid hypersexualized body parts I get it?)



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I don't want to see all body parts. But sex in underwear seems silly. I think shadows and different items in front of camera like fire, bottles, pillows could be good solution.



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Mass Effect 1 and 3 pulled off some naked sex scenes where there were no visible gentials or nipples anywhere. It just takes clever editing and camera angles. 


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I really don't need there to be full-on nudity in the game.  I don't mind it, per se, but I don't need it.  I'm perfectly happy with the ME and ME 3 approach. 

 

If, and that's a big if, they do decide to show any nudity, I just hope it's equitable and not just the traditional "ladies = nude; guys = shirtless" nonsense that you usually see in games.


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D: cold Han. Cold.

 

Yea, they're meant for tossing :P



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My main argument in nudity is that if a scene logically calls for nudity, it should have it and they shouldn't shy away from it. If they want to avoid explicit nudity, they can do so with creative camera angles as previously mentioned, but it still needs to make sense.

 

In Origins, the sex scenes where they're in their underwear are stupid and awkward, but in Morrigan's case, they're absolutely bizarre, because you can clearly see in her default outfit that she doesn't wear a bra, so now the implication is that once she takes off her standard robes, she puts a bra on to have sex.

 

In Return to Ostagar, you have Cailen crucified, hanging up there completely stripped of his armor, but the darkspawn left his loincloth thing on to preserve his dignity. No sense.

 

In ME3, you have the scene with Samantha where she's showering in her bra and panties, and Shepard joins her fully clothed. That makes no sense. 

 

So my point is that if you've written a scene where it doesn't make sense for all parties to be clothed, don't have them be clothed. That simple. It's not a matter of fan service, it's not a matter of equivalent exchange, it's a matter of logic.

 

It's also a point that while I'm not demanding nudity, I do think that there's a problem when they don't have a problem showing things like the broodmothers and especially the Mother, who have six to eight ****** flopping about to disgust us, but are unable or unwilling to show nudity in a positive light. I think that really says something about our society and our perception of the human body when we say that showing nudity for the purpose of shock value and grotesqueness is perfectly fine, but showing it for consensual, loving sex scenes is beyond the pale, apparently.


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#3125
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In ME3, you have the scene with Samantha where she's showering in her bra and panties, and Shepard joins her fully clothed. That makes no sense. 

 

To be fair, she wasn't showering in her underwear, she was naked. I do agree it was weird having Shepard come into the shower fully clothed, they could have easily changed that and avoided any naughty bits with camera angles.