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All very valid points, FF.
Anyway, I'm noticing more and more that nudity itself is becoming a non-issue in games geared toward mature gamers. Look at the critically acclaimed Outlast series, for example. Full frontal nudity -- male nudity -- abound and no one's turning to stone over it.
All very valid points, FF.
Anyway, I'm noticing more and more that nudity itself is becoming a non-issue in games geared toward mature gamers. Look at the critically acclaimed Outlast series, for example. Full frontal nudity -- male nudity -- abound and no one's turning to stone over it.
The full frontal male nudity in that game is hardly the most disturbing part. If anyone complained about it and not all of the other awful **** that happens in that game then I would argue they probably have mental issues.
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Why must we?
I at least am not claiming that Bioware *must* do anything, but I've read certain statements that can lead one to think that some of the game designers are opposed to this in principle because they consider it fetishistic, and thus somehow demeaning. It sometimes seems like expressing sexual attraction to a character model that *is* sexually attractive somehow sullies and dirties any thought of producing a romance with a character like that. It can come off that sexual attraction is never a valid basis for beginning a meaningful relationship, which is just bizarre. *Many* meaningful relationships start in precisely this way.
Dwarves are for punting, not romancing.
Yea, they're meant for tossing
Well now you made my Brosca cry I hope you're happy with yourselves 
All very valid points, FF.
Anyway, I'm noticing more and more that nudity itself is becoming a non-issue in games geared toward mature gamers. Look at the critically acclaimed Outlast series, for example. Full frontal nudity -- male nudity -- abound and no one's turning to stone over it.
I heard there was nudity in Witcher, in last Devil May Cry Dante was wery naked. Fanservice do things to games =)
I have some hilarious gifs from a Skyrim mod I would love to post but I really don't want to get banned, lol.
To be fair, she wasn't showering in her underwear, she was naked. I do agree it was weird having Shepard come into the shower fully clothed, they could have easily changed that and avoided any naughty bits with camera angles.
Lacy. Black. Braw. And. Panties.
Lacy. Black. Braw. And. Panties.
Well that's dumb, I thought once she got into the shower they removed the bra on her. Oh well.
Dat leg lift tho, lol.
Because it's rated M which effectively means 17+ and doesn't actually allow for graphical depictions of sex. That's for AO rating, or "adult only". Aka "kiss of death" because few if any retailers choose to carry such titles.DA carries an 18 rating so I'm not sure why they can't just show people having sex,like you know people do.
I don't really care about the sex scenes that much as In, I don't care how far they go and If I don't like it I'll just skip like i did with Origins.
I don't really think there is a need to have nudity and all that in the game though, romances are fun for roleplaying, it's nice that your character can fall in love (or whatever) as an option. That doesn't mean it has to turn into weird animated porn and it being an 18+ rated game shouldn't mean that either.
but as I said I don't really care and will just skip if I don't want to watch it.
Finally someone I can agree with!
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Lacy. Black. Braw. And. Panties.
I'm impressed by how quickly the bra and panties dry up before Samantha is seen laying down on Shepard's bed.
Those things had to be soaked.
I'm impressed by how quickly the bra and panties dry up before Samantha is seen laying down on Shepard's bed.
Those things had to be soaked.
I'm amazed they bothered to have sex with their underwear on, lol.
Well that's dumb, I thought once she got into the shower they removed the bra on her. Oh well.
Dat leg lift tho, lol.
Lacy. Black. Braw. And. Panties.
And don't forget the Citadel dlc bathtub scene.
The full frontal male nudity in that game is hardly the most disturbing part. If anyone complained about it and not all of the other awful **** that happens in that game then I would argue they probably have mental issues.
The thing is, though, violent themes have already more or less been accepted in society. Having worked at a movie theater, parents in general were always far more concerned with Little Timmy being exposed to sex and nudity than gratuitous violence. A guy can get disemboweled and decapitated and no one cares. Show Dr. Manhattan's genitalia and suddenly everyone's up in arms, walking out in the middle of the movie all offended.
What's interesting to me is that the developers of Outlast didn't shy away from anything -- they could've easily slapped a few scraps of clothing on their characters and avoided any potential outrage, but they didn't. I was impressed not only with that move, but also the gaming community's generally mature response to it.
I digress, though. It's ultimately up to Bioware, but I agree with FF and others that if you're gonna do sex scenes, even just brief scenes to imply what's happening, there's a way to handle the nudity tastefully -- most notably, with camera angling.
There's really no denying that the way they've gone about censoring things in the past with clothing, etc. only made something intended to be deep and meaningful turn laughably stupid.
Origins is the only game I've ever installed a nude mod for, because I just couldn't cope with the ridiculous underwear sex scenes. Apart from anything else, I kept getting distracted by wondering where all the female characters got identical underwire bras from in what is meant to be a pre-Industrial world.
This did lead to some hilarity with various naked prisoners and Cailan's corpse when I forgot to use a certain toggle before meeting them, but it was still less hilarious than Morrigan putting on a bra just to have sex.
Wait, you mean people thought this was ridiculous?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB4BmVmAPh8
The music's still the worst part.
That one actually looks better than most, you can't even tell they still have their underwear on.Wait, you mean people thought this was ridiculous?
http://www.youtube.c...?v=rB4BmVmAPh8
Wait, you mean people thought this was ridiculous?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB4BmVmAPh8
That looks fine to me..can't even see the underwear.
The music's still the worst part.
Yeah...
But yea, I just think that the most important thing is the scenes need to make sense. Whatever is shown and whatever isn't shown, they need to make sense.
This did lead to some hilarity with various naked prisoners and Cailan's corpse when I forgot to use a certain toggle before meeting them, but it was still less hilarious than Morrigan putting on a bra just to have sex.
Or when you free the werewolves...Jesus that looked like the beginning of a hentai.
That is somehow worse than the werewolves' magically summoned clothes?
That is somehow worse than the werewolves' magically summoned clothes?
Well, they did conjure undergarments...
And don't forget the Citadel dlc bathtub scene.
How do scenes like that even make it into a game?
I'm assuming that when the writer put pen to paper he or she didn't have Traynor or Shepard showering while clothed, because no one actually does that. Ever. If it was a case of the devs responsible for bringing those scenes to life saying "We don't have the time or resources to create separate nude models for these characters," shouldn't the scene have undergone a rewrite so that it wouldn't be an issue? Get rid of the shower and have the romance scene play out differently, so that clothing isn't an issue.
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