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[Iakus]

There's nothing perfect, but at the same time that does allow for more versatility than, say "The Hero of Ferelden returned to Denerim to become a captain of the guard" or some such thing.

 

Of course, we could allow for some level of agency (at least on a grand scale) in an epilogue too.

 

It's not just the disappearance, though.  It's the vanishing and leaving the LI behind.  

 

I mean in the Awakening epilogue, with Leliana or Zevran  you get how rumor says the Hero of Ferelden was said to have travelled with them, and they were rumored to have been spotted in this city or that.  That's nice and vague...

 

...ell, except that at the end of DA2, it's clear teh Warden has up and vanished even if in a Leliana romance.

 

 

But then you get something like Queen/King  Cousland's epilogue which states that one day they simply vanished from the palace and  no one knows what became of them. Not so cool.

[Samahl]

Chiming in on the whole, why isn't the LI with the protagonist in later games, bit(little late to that discussion) I don't know if it's just me, but I don't need to be attached to my significant other at the hip, and I don't mind that they don't feel the need to explain why they aren't with their partners to complete strangers.

Okay, but from the player's perspective, it's completely natural to be curious about how your past LIs are doing. You did romance them after all, and at least in Hawke's case, ran away together.

EDIT: At the very least, Varric would be wondering what happened to make them split.

[HuldraDancer]

Maybe not a sexual interest, but a romantic interest seems probable. I've only ever played a male Hawke and thus, unable to romance Sebastian, but I think I remember Sebastian initiating the flirting by saying things like how the Maker made Bethany perfect and comments on her beauty in one of his banter exchanges with her. Of course, I could be wrong. It's been a while since I've played DA2.

Most of what I can remember was Sebastian calling Bethany a lady but he said it with a very flirtatious tone but then again its been a while since I tried to romance him I was going to give it another shot again but it just doesn't feel worth it at all, the silly Flash dating sim on Devaintart makes his romance 10 times better than what it was in game. I'm sure there are videos of it but I really don't remember it being all that flirty aside from some things in Legacy with those two which made him even more pointless to romance if he was going to flirt with your sister in front of your face anyway 

[Allan Schumacher]

...unless he's messing with us?

 

Mr. Schumacher, are you messing with us?

 

I think that people overthink and overanalyze (I do too) when the simpler solution as to why I'm interacting about this topic is simply because I have a tendency to visit threads I've already posted in, and also have a tendency to visit threads that tend to become heated as some form of keeping the peace.  I see something and then respond to it.

 

I'm careful to not try to tip either a yes or a no.  But making a character romanceable simply because some people find them attractive isn't all that compelling in and of itself.  I think all the characters are reasonably attractive, some more than others.  Varric is handsome, but he wasn't a romance.  Many people sure wanted him to be a romance though.

 

 

Speaking personally, with all my biases for what I want and the messaging I like portray, my focus on making romances is much more about the character than how they look, because we have such a finite selection to choose from for romances.  Make a character (human, elf, qunari, dwarf) romanceable if there's something interesting to add via romance.  As opposed to "lets go in with the goal of making this Qunari romanceable because that's what some people want."  There's a compelling argument for *any* character to be romanced based on fans thinking that they look attractive.  Merril both looks and behaves quite a bit different than Sera, for instance, even if they're both elves.  People also overstate things like Cullen being romanceable "because fans asked for it" (I know for a fact there's internal interest from some people to explore a romance with Cullen).

 

So if it were up to me to make a Qunari romanceable, it'd be because the character created lends themselves to be a interesting candidate for a romance.  Not because "oh wow this character sure is physically attractive" (since it may not even be known how attractive the character will ultimately end up).

[TheodoricFriede]

 

So if it were up to me to make a Qunari romanceable, it'd be because the character created lends themselves to be a interesting candidate for a romance.  Not because "oh wow this character sure is physically attractive" (since it may not even be known how attractive the character will ultimately end up).

For the record, in case it wasn't clear, my goal wasnt to insult.

 

I never doubted this was the case in the first place. I just doubt now that a Qunari, especially a female, is happening.

[Finnn62]

Oh yeah! Me too! I would like to hear about Fenris & Hawke at some point, during my playthrough. It'd be cool to run into Fenris and get to ask him about his romance with the Champion of Kirkwall. Hopefully everything is still going well with them. I have a feeling Leliana's romance with my Warden should be mentioned at least once. She's an advisor so I'm guessing she'll be hanging around to ask questions of quite a bit.

 

It'll be nice to check up on things with the characters from past games, but at the same time it's a little weird with you knowing all about their personal lives, while the Inquisitor themselves is meeting these characters for the first time. It's sort of a strange dynamic; very different from the Mass Effect series.

[Former_Fiend]

Okay, but from the player's perspective, it's completely natural to be curious about how your past LIs are doing. You did romance them after all, and at least in Hawke's case, ran away together.

EDIT: At the very least, Varric would be wondering what happened to make them split.

 

I think it's an area where we need to separate the player's perspective from the character's perspective. Why isn't the Warden with Leliana or Zevran? None of Hawke's business.

 

I'm just not going to be particularly upset if in DAI we ask Leliana or Morrigan where the Warden is or Varric or Cassandra ask any of Hawke's LI's where Hawke is and they just refuse to answer. Maybe they know, maybe they don't know. I assume there's a reason they aren't together and I assume it's a fairly good reason. 

 

That being said they haven't completely debunked the notion of Hawke at least and perhaps the warden as well making appearances in the game, so it's still possible we'll get some more direct answers.

[Xesthan]

I think it's an area where we need to separate the player's perspective from the character's perspective. Why isn't the Warden with Leliana or Zevran? None of Hawke's business.

 

I'm just not going to be particularly upset if in DAI we ask Leliana or Morrigan where the Warden is or Varric or Cassandra ask any of Hawke's LI's where Hawke is and they just refuse to answer. Maybe they know, maybe they don't know. I assume there's a reason they aren't together and I assume it's a fairly good reason. 

 

 

I agree. The characters you romanced will probably mention it in a sentence anyway just to please the players anyway. They're not going to go into it too much because your character probably wouldn't be interested in the romances of your Warden and Hawke. That being said, I wonder how they're going to handle interaction with your previous characters if there will be any at all.

[HuldraDancer]

So long as they don't mention a 'They disappeared mysteriously' and leave it at that never to be explained I'll be happy whether they mentioned Hawke or not, just don't want the same stuff pulled that they did with DA2 with Leliana mentioning a 'sudden disappearance' Sure it might make sense with a Warden that went through the mirror with Morrigan but that's about it. Also would be nice if any LI cameos were made into feel more natural and not a sudden 'oh hi everyone, I was from the last game!' A few of them felt a little off to me in DA2 but who knows we might not get any in DAI at all which really wouldn't bother me too much. While I do wonder what they're up to unless a 'sudden and mysterious disappearance' is mentioned I'll be fine with leaving up to my imagination.

[leaguer of one]

I think that people overthink and overanalyze (I do too) when the simpler solution as to why I'm interacting about this topic is simply because I have a tendency to visit threads I've already posted in, and also have a tendency to visit threads that tend to become heated as some form of keeping the peace.  I see something and then respond to it.

 

I'm careful to not try to tip either a yes or a no.  But making a character romanceable simply because some people find them attractive isn't all that compelling in and of itself.  I think all the characters are reasonably attractive, some more than others.  Varric is handsome, but he wasn't a romance.  Many people sure wanted him to be a romance though.

 

 

Speaking personally, with all my biases for what I want and the messaging I like portray, my focus on making romances is much more about the character than how they look, because we have such a finite selection to choose from for romances.  Make a character (human, elf, qunari, dwarf) romanceable if there's something interesting to add via romance.  As opposed to "lets go in with the goal of making this Qunari romanceable because that's what some people want."  There's a compelling argument for *any* character to be romanced based on fans thinking that they look attractive.  Merril both looks and behaves quite a bit different than Sera, for instance, even if they're both elves.  People also overstate things like Cullen being romanceable "because fans asked for it" (I know for a fact there's internal interest from some people to explore a romance with Cullen).

 

So if it were up to me to make a Qunari romanceable, it'd be because the character created lends themselves to be a interesting candidate for a romance.  Not because "oh wow this character sure is physically attractive" (since it may not even be known how attractive the character will ultimately end up).

 So it's not going to be...

[Lucy Glitter]

So long as they don't mention a 'They disappeared mysteriously' and leave it at that never to be explained I'll be happy whether they mentioned Hawke or not, just don't want the same stuff pulled that they did with DA2 with Leliana mentioning a 'sudden disappearance' Sure it might make sense with a Warden that went through the mirror with Morrigan but that's about it. Also would be nice if any LI cameos were made into feel more natural and not a sudden 'oh hi everyone, I was from the last game!' A few of them felt a little off to me in DA2 but who knows we might not get any in DAI at all which really wouldn't bother me too much. While I do wonder what they're up to unless a 'sudden and mysterious disappearance' is mentioned I'll be fine with leaving up to my imagination.

 

Yeah. I don't want another Kotor 2, please. That just fractured my little heart. 

 

[The Elder King]

Im not exactly thrilled with it, but due to NDAs, i dont think we would even get this much interaction with Mr. Schumacher on this topic if it was actually in the game.

 
Well, I don't think a female qunari LI was going to be present in DAI regardless of Allan's words.
I think IB might be one, though.

[HuldraDancer]

Yeah. I don't want another Kotor 2, please. That just fractured my little heart. 

 

-sniped because one depressed Bambi is more than enough-

 

If I had ever played that game I'm sure I'd be agreeing with you right now 

[HuldraDancer]

 
Well, I don't think a female qunari LI was going to be present in DAI regardless of Allan's words.
I think IB might be one, though.

I hope he is though I am bracing for him not being one but I'll be happy to be wrong. The guy just sounds like so much fun to hang around given the little that I know about him at least he sounds fun so far and aside from Zevran (kind of/maybe) I can't think of a DA male LI yet that has been the type to just really enjoy having fun and just letting loose.

[Lucy Glitter]

If I had ever played that game I'm sure I'd be agreeing with you right now 

 

You would. Basically Lucasarts told Obsidian to go stuff it with Kotor 3 (which they already started on) because they made everything too grey and not good+evil. So they left all these things hanging and we will never get closure.

 

Then TOR came along and they massacred everything Kotor. I still like the MMO, though. 

[TheodoricFriede]

 
Well, I don't think a female qunari LI was going to be present in DAI regardless of Allan's words.
I think IB might be one, though.

Right, i only specifically bring up female because that was the origins of this conversation.

 

...And that i find them super attractive.

[Tamyn]

 

 

Then TOR came along and they massacred everything Kotor. I still like the MMO, though. 

 

That's not my Revan!

[Lucy Glitter]

That's not my Revan!

 

Yep. Which is why I am so against a set Warden/Hawke PC for Inquisition. It's just... unfair. 

 

Oh god that Revan... just... painful. I refuse to do that questline.

[TheodoricFriede]

Yep. Which is why I am so against a set Warden/Hawke PC for Inquisition. It's just... unfair. 

 

 

I dont think they are doing that. Isnt that the whole point of the Dragon Age Keep?

[The Elder King]

I dont think they are doing that. Isnt that the whole point of the Dragon Age Keep?

I guess that what Lucy is worried about isn't that they'd 'canonize' The Warden and Hawke's past (we'll be able to choose what they did), but what they'll do in DAI.

[Samahl]

I dont think they are doing that. Isnt that the whole point of the Dragon Age Keep?

I think she's referring to appearance. Keep doesn't let you customize your Warden or Hawke beyond gender, race, and class.

EDIT: Or what The Elder King said.

[Deviija]

Since we have all the races that Origins had as playable again, and Hawke was human, I think it'd be quite easy to incorporate any-race Warden and Hawke into Inquisition.  If they wished to.  The Warden can ride up on a horse, shrouded in cloak, and once it is understood/revealed to be the Warden then the character moves a hand up to remove the hood and bam -- cut to chargen mode.  Where you can recreate your Warden character again.  

 

With Inquisition's options readily available in the customization capacity, there needn't be a stock, set Warden or Hawke, or even an ambiguous enshrouded figure for the entirety of the interaction.  But in terms of characterization and what they might do... well, we'll see how it goes, if they even do appear.  

[Samahl]

Since we have all the races that Origins had as playable again, and Hawke was human, I think it'd be quite easy to incorporate any-race Warden and Hawke into Inquisition.  If they wished to.  The Warden can ride up on a horse, shrouded in cloak, and once it is understood/revealed to be the Warden then the character moves a hand up to remove the hood and bam -- cut to chargen mode.  Where you can recreate your Warden character again.  

 

With Inquisition's options readily available in the customization capacity, there needn't be a stock, set Warden or Hawke, or even an ambiguous enshrouded figure for the entirety of the interaction.  But we'll see how it goes, if they even do appear.  

That would require them getting big enough roles to justify wasting the players' time with customization, which seems unlikely.

[TheodoricFriede]

I guess that what Lucy is worried about isn't that they'd 'canonize' The Warden and Hawke's past (we'll be able to choose what they did), but what they'll do in DAI.

 

 

I think she's referring to appearance. Keep doesn't let you customize your Warden or Hawke beyond gender, race, and class.

EDIT: Or what The Elder King said.

Ah ok, my mistake.

 

As i said, due to the fact that it would probably ****** everyone off when they dont look right, i dont think we will physically see Hawke or the Warden. At best, with Hawke, we will get his voice.

 

edit: Really, cant say ******? Seriously?

[Deviija]

That would require them getting big enough roles to justify wasting the players' time with customization, which seems unlikely.

 

Even if it was just for five seconds of cameo, I wouldn't consider spending time in chargen a waste of my time at all.