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[Samahl]

Merrills wasn't exactly dark either. Not by the end anyway.

Marethari's death? Potential mass killing? Blood magic?

[LilyasAvalon]

Arguably, Isabela's wasn't that dark.

 

Not really after Act 2 was over and if she stayed with you.

[jlb524]

Marethari's death? Potential mass killing? Blood magic?

 

It never really darkened the romance.

 

I think if Hawke ended up killing a large portion (or all of) Merrill's clan it should have had a really negative affect on the romance but it didn't.

[tmp7704]

I already know I'm going to mod romances if possible sera with my male inquisitor is a must for me.

The chance of that happening is even lower than getting modding of quests in DA2, and that was already near zero. Not to mention unlike DA:O which was text based and so made adjustments like that easier, the inquisitor is voiced and i doubt they wasted resources of recording the relevant lines with the male VA. Would kinda undo the whole cost saving thing if they did.

In short: may as well forget it and move on. You have almost four months for that before the game even ships.

[Samahl]

It never really darkened the romance.

I guess, but it seems weird that you wouldn't do her quest after romancing her. I mean, I guess if you don't approve of her fixing the eluvian...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

...well, I missed something in here didn't I?

[LobselVith8]

Arguably, Isabela's wasn't that dark.

 

Not really after Act 2 was over and if she stayed with you.

 

I did find Isabela's Act III quest a bit dark (as it involved slavery, and being given one of two choices where your character would enable a slaver to continue the slave trade), and also a bit odd. I don't see why Isabela would take Castillon's word not to harm her, or why she wouldn't simply take his ship after his death (regardless of the reason voiced in the quest) since she's willing to steal the Tome of Kuslun in the first place.

[TheodoricFriede]

The paraphrased line comes out verbally different, since Hawke verbally blames Merrill; similar to the written line that reads that Elthina is "useless", where Hawke will verbally say "Get out of my way!" instead. As I said, I don't like blaming Merrill in that scene, since I don't think she was at fault.

Right, ok. Its been a while. Though i always took that as being a diplomat that knows what to say, rather than actual blame.

 

Well, regardless, its nice to know now i have a new option.

 

It never really darkened the romance.

Right. This is what i mean. Or course, im not that critical of the "Tool"  of Blood Magic in the first place.

[In Exile]

I agree with everything you said, but DLC means I have to spend extra money and just

 

 

And I will spend that extra money if it's going to have fluff in it, that would be such an evil move from BioWare they are literally forcing me at gunpoint to buy that thing.

I am going to be so broke at the end of this year, I swear.

It's not that I think the romance content should be DLC, just that I think that romance content is really resource intensive and I'd prefer the vanilla game to invest that into the plot, because a DLC like Citadel was super popular and would presumably ensure I'd see the romance content too. 

[fiveforchaos]

The chance of that happening is even lower than getting modding of quests in DA2, and that was already near zero. Not to mention unlike DA:O which was text based and so made adjustments like that easier, the inquisitor is voiced and i doubt they wasted resources of recording the relevant lines with the male VA. Would kinda undo the whole cost saving thing if they did.

In short: may as well forget it and move on. You have almost four months for that before the game even ships.

Actually, they probably did record the relevant lines with the male VA. The devs have stated a couple times that it's easier for the VA just to say everything rather than trying to sort out what's male only vs. female only.

[In Exile]

The chance of that happening is even lower than getting modding of quests in DA2, and that was already near zero. Not to mention unlike DA:O which was text based and so made adjustments like that easier, the inquisitor is voiced and i doubt they wasted resources of recording the relevant lines with the male VA. Would kinda undo the whole cost saving thing if they did.

In short: may as well forget it and move on. You have almost four months for that before the game even ships.

 

Well, Bioware apparently has the VAs record the entire script for both genders, so that's not true. It's why you have hilarious ME1 dialogue with Meer reading the FShep lines in the Liara romance, I believe. 

 

Everyone needs to hear MShep protest - in his usual bland tone - that he's a woman at least once in their life. 

[Samahl]

Actually, they probably did record the relevant lines with the male VA. The devs have stated a couple times that it's easier for the VA just to say everything rather than trying to sort out what's male only vs. female only.

Do they put everything in the game though?

[rapscallioness]

I think Hawke says something like, "I will make sure Merrill never hurts anyone else with her blood magic."

 

You put the blame on Merrill and her blood magic.   It's out of character for lots of my Hawkes...especially the blood mage one 

I'm doing another PT of DAO--mage origin. And that line abt taking responsibility, I noticed, was very much like Duncan in that origin. He says he will take responsibility--and make sure...she doesn't harm anyone. (something like that). but def taking responsibility.

 

It made me feel then like we had just conscripted Merrill.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

So Sera is lesbian, so what? If you really wanted to romance her then play as a female Inquisitor, I was just going back some pages and finding some comments that could be taken offensively. I don't want to make these things to all come back to a boiling point, but we barely know anything about any character so don't go trashing Bioware or Dragon Age for that matter. I am willing to bet that most people who are unhappy right now will be the ones most happy when everything is said and done. My point is that we all have opinions and are entitled to them, but we do not know that much about any character so instead of being upset or disappointed just wait I mean Bioware has truly been listening to their fans and barely any game company does that so give them a little more faith because they are working their asses off. Trust me I do not think highly of EA, but Bioware...when they show this much effort you have to at least respect them and their decisions and not just rant about not getting exactly what you wanted. Again, I apologize if I brought up any old drama but don't judge a game or Bioware's decisions until you play the game. 

[In Exile]

Do they put everything in the game though?

 

Every line. 

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Oh and in the regards of Cullen, he was brought back because he has a place in the game; David Gaider has expressed that no matter how many times the fan ask...they would never bring someone back unless they had a legitmate reason for being in the game/brought back lol

[jlb524]

Well, Bioware apparently has the VAs record the entire script for both genders, so that's not true. 

 

They didn't for ME2/ME3 though.

[tmp7704]

Well, Bioware apparently has the VAs record the entire script for both genders, so that's not true. It's why you have hilarious ME1 dialogue with Meer reading the FShep lines in the Liara romance, I believe.

I remember it was the case with ME1, but was under impression they had planned to actually use these at early stage, and that changed later rendering the already recorded stuff obsolete. In contrast there's no male lines for lesbian content in ME3 and vice versa, or is there? (I don't recall reading anyone found it, so presuming there wasn't)

[Dean_the_Young]

I remember it was the case with ME1, but was under impression they had planned to actually use these at early stage, and that changed later rendering the already recorded stuff obsolete. In contrast there's no male lines for lesbian content in ME3 and vice versa, or is there?

 

Every statement I've ever heard from Bioware employees is that the dual recording on ME1 was a safeguard to accidentally not recording stuff that needed to be recorded. A case of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. As it is, the use of pronouns indicates a number of those lines were certainly not intended for the Shepard- unless you think ManShep was going to protest on account of being a woman.

 

At least as far as ME1 is concerned, the rumor that it was intended appears to mostly be fan speculation repeating itself to become plausible.

[In Exile]

They didn't for ME2/ME3 though.

 

Maybe it was just an ME1 thing then? I had the impression it was more common. 

[Maria Caliban]

I did find Isabela's Act III quest a bit dark (as it involved slavery, and being given one of two choices where your character would enable a slaver to continue the slave trade), and also a bit odd. I don't see why Isabela would take Castillon's word not to harm her, or why she wouldn't simply take his ship after his death (regardless of the reason voiced in the quest) since she's willing to steal the Tome of Kuslun in the first place.

I recall talking about a rivalry romance on the Isabela thread and people complaining that it was disrespectful toward her. You know, it's okay to not respect someone you're in a relationship with when they are enabling human trafficking.

[Giggles_Manically]

I recall talking about a rivalry romance on the Isabela thread and people complaining that it was disrespectful toward her. You know, it's okay to not respect someone you're in a relationship with when they are enabling human trafficking.

 

Hey when I said that I rival romanced Merrill there were people saying that in doing so Hawke is being an "abusive partner"

Cause you know if you love someone you should let them consort with demons.

[HuldraDancer]

Well some parts of the rivalmances did seem a tad abusive (that or I wasn't doing it right) but the rivalmances in general didn't feel abusive aside from some dialog here and there with certain things (though I can't ever bring myself to rival Merrill again feels too much like I"m stomping on a litter of kittens) Oh is it really true that we aren't getting any kind of approval bar in DAI? That...that worries me a little I like to know where I stand with companions at all times hoo boy not sure if my paranoid mind can take not knowing 

[Clockwork_Wings]

Well some parts of the rivalmances did seem a tad abusive (that or I wasn't doing it right) but the rivalmances in general didn't feel abusive aside from some dialog here and there with certain things (though I can't ever bring myself to rival Merrill again feels too much like I"m stomping on a litter of kittens) Oh is it really true that we aren't getting any kind of approval bar in DAI? That...that worries me a little I like to know where I stand with companions at all times hoo boy not sure if my paranoid mind can take not knowing 

Worries me that the romances will always be the same.  I kinda like a rivalry/friendship path.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

I really don't see why male gamers are upset over Sera being female only, Male characters in both Mass Effect and Dragon Age have always gotten the better romance options and females have gotten the short end of the stick especially with same sex relationships.

 

In both DA:O and DA 2 a female could romance Leliana, Isabela and Merrill all who were Bi, pretty much every female NPC was Bi also that you could have a fling with

 

In Mass Effect as far as same sex goes females only had Liara (who you can't really call a lesbian), Mass Effect 2 saw the addition of Kelly who doesn't really count as a romance option and then in 3 they got Diana and Samantha (Samantha being the only 100% lesbian romance but isn't a party member), Samra also counted as a fling.

 

Now I am male I have played each Dragon Age game and Mass Effect game as both male and female but I found playing as Femshep and Femhawke better (mostly cause I thought their voice acting was better) and who doesn't enjoy playing a kick ass woman who prefers other women?

 

When I saw Sera was female only I just said "Well looks like I'm playing as a female first and a male second." When it comes to the race and gender thing I think Sera will be atleast available to humans and elves, if not any race cause I don't seem them finally making a 100% lesbian character and then restrict her.