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[LobselVith8]

So Sera is lesbian, so what? If you really wanted to romance her then play as a female Inquisitor, I was just going back some pages and finding some comments that could be taken offensively. I don't want to make these things to all come back to a boiling point, but we barely know anything about any character so don't go trashing Bioware or Dragon Age for that matter. I am willing to bet that most people who are unhappy right now will be the ones most happy when everything is said and done. My point is that we all have opinions and are entitled to them, but we do not know that much about any character so instead of being upset or disappointed just wait

 

I was on a hiatus from Dragon Age for a while, but I learned that Sera was a female only romance yesterday. A bit disappointed, since she seemed like the only one my Dalish protagonist would be interested in, but I'm happy for the people who will have the opportunity to romance her. I think Xil mentioned that she was interested in pursuing a romance with Sera for her first character, so I'm glad that she will get the chance for her Inquisitor.

 

It certainly isn't the first time I've played a story with a male protagonist who wasn't able to pursue any romance - as with my Lone Wanderer and my Courier.

 

I mean Bioware has truly been listening to their fans and barely any game company does that so give them a little more faith because they are working their asses off. Trust me I do not think highly of EA, but Bioware...when they show this much effort you have to at least respect them and their decisions and not just rant about not getting exactly what you wanted. Again, I apologize if I brought up any old drama but don't judge a game or Bioware's decisions until you play the game. 

 

I'd agree that it seems they put a lot of work into Inquisition.

[syllogi]

I recall talking about a rivalry romance on the Isabela thread and people complaining that it was disrespectful toward her. You know, it's okay to not respect someone you're in a relationship with when they are enabling human trafficking.

 

 

Hey when I said that I rival romanced Merrill there were people saying that in doing so Hawke is being an "abusive partner"

Cause you know if you love someone you should let them consort with demons.

 

For me, it's the way Hawke acts in both of those that feels like I'm being a jerk...I definitely agree with the end result in both situations, but the dialogue options didn't feel diplomatic or natural.  Even with Anders, who probably benefits the most from a rivalry relationship with Hawke, I felt like there was no "look, I get where you're coming from, but this is how I see it" option for disagreeing.  Just harsh or glib responses that I didn't want to choose.

[HuldraDancer]

Worries me that the romances will always be the same.  I kinda like a rivalry/friendship path.

 

What do you mean by  them being the same? DAO didn't have a rival path and I felt the romances were different from one another but I did like the idea of friendshipmances and rivalmances of DA2 made not always agreeing with your party less stressful for me and was fun to explore both sides. But I don't think we really need to worry about the DAI romances being all the same.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I really don't see why male gamers are upset over Sera being female only

Maybe because they like Sera as a character and wanted her to be their character's LI.

[In Exile]

I recall talking about a rivalry romance on the Isabela thread and people complaining that it was disrespectful toward her. You know, it's okay to not respect someone you're in a relationship with when they are enabling human trafficking.

 

Seriously. My first romance with her was friendship path, but there was no way I was enabling actual slavery. She could get a ship in all of the ways that don't involve the active debasement of hundreds of people. 

 

Well some parts of the rivalmances did seem a tad abusive (that or I wasn't doing it right) but the rivalmances in general didn't feel abusive aside from some dialog here and there with certain things (though I can't ever bring myself to rival Merrill again feels too much like I"m stomping on a litter of kittens) Oh is it really true that we aren't getting any kind of approval bar in DAI? That...that worries me a little I like to know where I stand with companions at all times hoo boy not sure if my paranoid mind can take not knowing 

 

The Fenris was one was bad. Anders was just messed up on both sides. I didn't think Merril was abusive, certainly not healthy though, and she was the one who went to the racial slurs first. 

[HuldraDancer]

For me, it's the way Hawke acts in both of those that feels like I'm being a jerk...I definitely agree with the end result in both situations, but the dialogue options didn't feel diplomatic or natural.  Even with Anders, who probably benefits the most from a rivalry relationship with Hawke, I felt like there was no "look, I get where you're coming from, but this is how I see it" option for disagreeing.  Just harsh or glib responses that I didn't want to choose.

Well its late in the romance but in a rivalmance Hawke does have the option that they agree with Anders goals but disagree with the methods he uses and basically voices concern about Anders only proving the templars right with his actions instead of actually helping any mages, then Justice busts in and basically tells you to f**k off.

[LobselVith8]

Well some parts of the rivalmances did seem a tad abusive (that or I wasn't doing it right) but the rivalmances in general didn't feel abusive aside from some dialog here and there with certain things (though I can't ever bring myself to rival Merrill again feels too much like I"m stomping on a litter of kittens)

 

I really didn't like the rivalmance with Merrill. Hawke telling Merrill she's wrong to construct the Eluvian when he knows nothing about the Elvhen or the Eluvians came across as jarring, especially since he's a human speaking about a culture he knows next to nothing about (which veers too closely to a trope I really detest).

 

Oh is it really true that we aren't getting any kind of approval bar in DAI? That...that worries me a little I like to know where I stand with companions at all times hoo boy not sure if my paranoid mind can take not knowing 

 

Really? I didn't know that.

[HuldraDancer]

 

The Fenris was one was bad. Anders was just messed up on both sides. I didn't think Merril was abusive, certainly not healthy though, and she was the one who went to the racial slurs first. 

Never did a Fenris on the rival path before so I have no idea how that one feels the Merrill one didnt' feel very abusive to me but Anders really did since I kept getting approval from him from flirts and had to knock it back down by just making Hawke and abusive arse to him and that felt very uncomfortable to me. I don't think the Merrill one is abusive but still makes me feel bad none the less just like kicking a puppy (its those damn eyes and adorable voice of hers they look right into my soul and judge me. I'm sorry Merrill I didn't mean it! ) 

[Clockwork_Wings]

What do you mean by  them being the same? DAO didn't have a rival path and I felt the romances were different from one another but I did like the idea of friendshipmances and rivalmances of DA2 made not always agreeing with your party less stressful for me and was fun to explore both sides. But I don't think we really need to worry about the DAI romances being all the same.

This is true.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

Maybe because they like Sera as a character and wanted her to be their character's LI.

then play as a female, like I said I'm male and I play as a female all the time, its not going to hurt lol

[HuldraDancer]

I really didn't like the rivalmance with Merrill. Hawke telling Merrill she's wrong to construct the Eluvian when he knows nothing about the Elvhen or the Eluvians came across as jarring, especially since he's a human speaking about a culture he knows next to nothing about (which veers too closely to a trope I really detest).

 

 

Really? I didn't know that.

 

I only rivaled her once and it really didn't feel as uncomfortable as say Anders rival path but I could see why people didn't like it, as far as the Eluvian I always chalk that up to the entire clan being afraid and cautious of that thing so theres got to be some reason for it that and having her telling me to make a deal with a demon that 'its perfectly safe' sooo my Hawke cared for her but doubted her judgement on things being dangerous or not.

 

I don't know if its a thing or not I just saw someone mention it on this thread and was hoping to get it confirmed on not and I really hope the approval bar is still there so we can have some idea where we are with our followers.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

then play as a female, like I said I'm male and I play as a female all the time, its not going to hurt lol

Just because you can play as either gender doesn't mean everyone is fine with it. For example if they don't like either VA, they have to listen to something they don't like for dozens of hours just to access 20 minutes or so of content.

 

Plus as others have said, people who wanted a female elf LI for their male elf protagonist are screwed again. Straight male players have 0 non-human options. 

[mrjack]

This is my first post do be please be nice...

 

Regarding modding: As a gay man who was denied Kaidan in ME1 and Alistair in DA:O, I have no problems with a straight guy/gal modding DA:I so they can romance Sera/Dorian (assuming he turns out to be the other gay character). If people see this as disrespectful or an insult to the idea of finally including a 100% gay character, I understand where they're coming from. However, I believe everyone should be able to play the game they want to play and when they play the modded version in the privacy of their own home, it has zero impact on anyone else. The fact is, Sera is still a visible gay character in a huge franchise and the first gay, romanceable companion character in a Bioware game. None of that is diminished if someone you will probably never meet mods their game and plays it the way they like it (even if it isn't the writers' vision) especially as it is something you will probably never witness.

 

I don't know how I feel about the male romances yet. I think some women are waaay more into Dorian/Solas/Iron Bull than I am and I wouldn't want them to miss out if the option of modding was available. I think with games that are massive in scope and beloved by  so many, developers should be encouraging the modding community like Bethesda does with their creation kits. I'd rather play an amazing game a hundred different times, modded in  a hundred ways to keep it fresh than play 100 different mediocre games.

 

In short, I think if the VAs recorded the lines for both sexes then they should just include them in the game files and let people get creative to keep the game fresh for them. Which is easier said than done after your 10th time through (see: me playing ME3).

[LobselVith8]

I only rivaled her once and it really didn't feel as uncomfortable as say Anders rival path but I could see why people didn't like it, as far as the Eluvian I always chalk that up to the entire clan being afraid and cautious of that thing so theres got to be some reason for it that and having her telling me to make a deal with a demon that 'its perfectly safe' sooo my Hawke cared for her but doubted her judgement on things being dangerous or not.

 

Merrill doesn't recommend making a deal with a spirit; she advises that you can gain information from spirits, but cautions they are dangerous. Merrill approves if Hawke gains intelligence from the Profane Abomination and Torpor about the Primeval Thaig and the crisis with Feynriel respectively, and then attacks them once the Champion gathers information from the creatures. She also chastises Anders for thinking there's such a thing as a "good spirit", since she says all spirits are dangerous.

[Bugsie]

IDK, where were you (and all these others that are upset about this) when the 'all bi' system from DA2 was a huge point of contention on these forums? It got a lot of negative flack for being 'unrealistic' among other things. I was around for years supporting it...often times I would be the only one in the thread arguing for the system.

I'm so glad to see all this new support for it

I could go back to the 'Fight for the Love' movement from ME3 where many (including myself) were fighting just get s/s characters just put in the game. I wonder, during those many many arguments over s/s romance in ME3, were all these people who are now upset over how unfair it is to have a lesbian character in DA:I?

Some people act like BW has never done anything like this...never denied people options due to gender.

They have many times since BG2..it just hasn't affected you yet so now you care.

I think it's ironic that the support is coming from a quarter that was against all bisexual LI, because realism™ - the difference now being they aren't getting what they want this time! The shouts of 'it's not fair' are both hilarious and rather saddening to me.

And remember it's not just a lesbian character, it's a lesbian character they want to romance when all they have is what they look like, and a couple of paragraphs (and maybe they only romance elves, who knows) oh the injustice!

Only just catching up - so I'll put certain people on ignore and talk about the topic instead

On topic - I prefer the armour customisation a for DA:O.

And in regard to a 'citadel like' date I'm having difficulty seeing my fem qun warrior frocking up for such an event, although I'm sure I'll get a laugh out of it! A long walk in a scenic place, even a picnic, with her LI is much more her style!

In regard to LI in general personally I am so loathe to make a choice pre game (in fact I could have sworn David Gaider said he thought it was weird that people were lining up LI prior to actually playing) Basing it on looks and a few paragraphs briefing us on their personality alone feels shallow to me (and I'm not saying those people are shallow, just the choice is, others may feel differently, they may require more visual stimulus than someone like me, that's okay too it's just not my style. I've met enough good looking people with disgusting or off putting personalities to have certain preferences and not judging a book by its cover. I doubt I would have romanced Garrus if I was basing it on looks alone but I know others within the fandom felt differently.

[HuldraDancer]

Merrill doesn't recommend making a deal with a spirit; she advises that you can gain information from spirits, but cautions they are dangerous. Merrill approves if Hawke gains intelligence from the Profane Abomination and Torpor about the Primeval Thaig and the crisis with Feynriel respectively, and then attacks them once the Champion gathers information from the creatures. She also chastises Anders for thinking there's such a thing as a "good spirit", since she says all spirits are dangerous.

I'm not arguing that spirits are safe and demons are not they all can be dangerous. In DAA I was expecting Justice to turn on me at some point in the game. And when I brought Merrill into the deep roads with me she did say I could trust it, never took her to the Fade so I don't know about what she says about Torpor, I like Merrill a lot I just think she has poor judgement though so did a lot of our followers in DA2, I also don't recall her attacking the demon in the deep roads unless you told her too before making the deal with it. 

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

In regard to LI in general personally I am so loathe to make a choice pre game (in fact I could have sworn David Gaider said he thought it was weird that people were lining up LI prior to actually playing) Basing it on looks and a few paragraphs briefing us on their personality alone feels shallow to me (and I'm not saying those people are shallow, just the choice is, others may feel differently, they may require more visual stimulus than someone like me, that's okay too it's just not my style. I've met enough good looking people with disgusting or off putting personalities to have certain preferences and not judging a book by its cover. I doubt I would have romanced Garrus if I was basing it on looks alone but I know others within the fandom felt differently.

My choice of wanting to romance Sera really isn't looks, its mostly cause well I'm a Yuri fan and her being the first 100% gay romance just seemed awesome to me and from what I've seen she is a cool character 

[LobselVith8]

I'm not arguing that spirits are safe and demons are not they all can be dangerous. In DAA I was expecting Justice to turn on me at some point in the game. And when I brought Merrill into the deep roads with me she did say I could trust it, never took her to the Fade so I don't know about what she says about Torpor, I like Merrill a lot I just think she has poor judgement though so did a lot of our followers in DA2, I also don't recall her attacking the demon in the deep roads unless you told her too before making the deal with it. 

 

Merrill advises that you can "use" the Profane Abomination if you're "careful". I also don't think the Dalish use the Andrastian distinctions, given the religious debates between Anders and Merrill over the terms and distinctions, as well as WoT reading that the Dalish view "all spirits" as dangerous. It's something that interests me about a potential Dalish protagonist: their different cultural views from Andrastians about the Beyond, spirits, Creators, and the Elvhen.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

My choice of wanting to romance Sera really isn't looks, its mostly cause well I'm a Yuri fan and her being the first 100% gay romance just seemed awesome to me and from what I've seen she is a cool character 

Have to give you credit for pretty much flat out admitting you support it partly because 'lesbians are hot'. 

 

Though she wasn't the first 100% gay romance. Samantha and Steve in ME3 were. If you go far enough back, Juhani in KOTOR may also count depending on your definition of LI. 

[Bugsie]

My choice of wanting to romance Sera really isn't looks, its mostly cause well I'm a Yuri fan and her being the first 100% gay romance just seemed awesome to me and from what I've seen she is a cool character

oh yeah I can understand that (the preference thing and all that). I think for me it's mainly because I don't want to feel attached to a character I personally feel I don't know well enough yet. Also my decision as to what to role play after a femqun warrior will based off who I might wish to interact with more and I just won't know how that plays out till I play the game.

Edit: I'd also argue though, if Sera is as awesome as Traynor, or Isabella then the decision for my next character is likely already set

[OctagonalSquare]

Just because you can play as either gender doesn't mean everyone is fine with it. For example if they don't like either VA, they have to listen to something they don't like for dozens of hours just to access 20 minutes or so of content.

 

Plus as others have said, people who wanted a female elf LI for their male elf protagonist are screwed again. Straight male players have 0 non-human options. 

Plus, it's an RPG. If I want to play as a male who romances Sera, I should be able to. I play as males because I want to. I shouldn't be forced to play a different way.

[HuldraDancer]

Merrill advises that you can "use" the Profane Abomination if you're "careful". I also don't think the Dalish use the Andrastian distinctions, given the religious debates between Anders and Merrill over the terms and distinctions, as well as WoT reading that the Dalish view "all spirits" as dangerous. It's something that interests me about a potential Dalish protagonist: their different cultural views from Andrastians about the Beyond, spirits, Creators, and the Elvhen.

Still don't trust demons or spirits much just seems too much like playing Russian Roulette to me that and I've seen only two people end game that didn't end up an abomination and one was just cause someone else got to the demon first but we're starting to get a little off topic with the Merrill talk or are we I'm not sure she was a romance and this is a romance thread but *shrugs*

Would be cool to see in game if we're offered special choices for being a Dalish Mage that might give some more insight to how Dalish clans view magic and spirits and it could be helpful to some like myself that find the whole mage templar thing very meh. Heck our Mage followers could offer some good insight as well maybe not from a Dalish perspective but from other angels especially Dorian being from Tevinter and all

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

Have to give you credit for pretty much flat out admitting you support it partly because 'lesbians are hot'. 

 

Though she wasn't the first 100% gay romance. Samantha and Steve in ME3 were. If you go far enough back, Juhani in KOTOR may also count depending on your definition of LI. 

Well I meant first 100% party member and its not because I think lesbians are hot, a lesbian friend of mine got me into yuri cause I told her I had not played a game or saw an anime that had a romance in it that delivered for me (I'm a romantic) and she suggested Strawberry Panic and I watched it and it made me cry (I am not ashamed to admit sappy romance makes me cry) and I just think Yuri in anime at least does romance better

[WildOrchid]

then play as a female, like I said I'm male and I play as a female all the time, its not going to hurt lol

 

Though you have to know that some people don't like playing the opposite gender (or same gender)

I personally can't stand male characters and I won't use a male to romance, say, Cass (if she's straight)... i prefer playing as my gender and my sexuality.

[pallascedar]

I really didn't like the rivalmance with Merrill. Hawke telling Merrill she's wrong to construct the Eluvian when he knows nothing about the Elvhen or the Eluvians came across as jarring, especially since he's a human speaking about a culture he knows next to nothing about (which veers too closely to a trope I really detest).

 

I've never rivalmanced Merrill, but I never felt especially uncomfortable with rivaling Merrill. I don't think there's anything wrong with criticizing her use of blood magic. Even more, the turning point in the relationship with Merrill is the decision about whether to give her the Arulin'holm. Marethari actively asked Hawke not to give the blade to Merrill, my Hawke just decided to follow Marethari's wishes rather than Merrill's (as he already doubted her judgement, what with the blood magic and all that). I guess this could be different in the romance thought.