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[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

The idea that we are doing things this way in direct response to complaints is overstated.  The primary reason that the romances in DA2 were all bisexual is because we were only writing 4 romances, and we wanted everyone to have choice.  If we're writing more than 4 romances, that restriction needn't be as strong.

I guess that makes sense, is just what i automatically thought of when i 1st heard of gender restrictions coming back, kinda reminded me of the ME mako thing when people complained about it & then it was removed in the next game.

[cogsandcurls]

The idea that we are doing things this way in direct response to complaints is overstated.  The primary reason that the romances in DA2 were all bisexual is because we were only writing 4 romances, and we wanted everyone to have choice.  If we're writing more than 4 romances, that restriction needn't be as strong.

 

One of the best things about DA2 for me was that I unlike DA:O I could play a gay character and actually have a choice. Can't speak for anybody else, but one of my concerns is that certain races may take that restriction right back down to "the one available same-sex character, or be forever alone". Do we still get a choice of more than one in DA:I, regardless of gender/race/orientation? Because that's what I'm worried about.

[HuldraDancer]

You could be right,it's been a while since I heard that particular piece of dialogue.

Same here but the Alistair romance is my cousin's favorite and he has shown me most of the dialog with a romanced Alistair several times over usually right before threatening to punch me if I laugh at him for his mild obsession 

[TheodoricFriede]

Getting into fights because of romance content is pretty much what led to the romance subforum for ME3 getting shut down though.  I don't like facilitating people getting hostile towards each other.

 

I understand your post was in jest, but I've seen people legitimize their aggression for the same (and similar) reasons.

My apologies.

[Former_Fiend]

I though he mentioned in Awakening not being attracted to human or evles since they're too scrawny. He seemed to prefer the rear ends on dwarven women.

 

He was getting a dig in on Velanna. He mentions being attracted to human women in Origins several times.

[Hellion Rex]

Wow.  In retrospect, remember the blissful fog that we were all living in just two weeks ago when people were having arguments about whether the romance system was 2/2/2 or 2/4/2?  We were all so young and innocent then......!

And then...it all changed when the Fire Nation attacked E3 happened....

[AresKeith]

I guess that makes sense, is just what i automatically thought of when i 1st heard of gender restrictions coming back, kinda reminded me of the ME mako thing when people complained about it & then it was removed in the next game.

 

Don't remind me of that lol

[cjones91]

Don't remind me of that lol

I was probaly one of the few that actually liked the Mako on console version of ME.It was fun to ride in.

[cjones91]

Same here but the Alistair romance is my cousin's favorite and he has shown me most of the dialog with a romanced Alistair several times over usually right before threatening to punch me if I laugh at him for his mild obsession 

That romance is my number two favorite aside from Leliana's.

[Nuclear]

I was probaly one of the few that actually liked the Mako on console version of ME.It was fun to ride in.

I loved the Mako on PC. I found it relaxing.

[Former_Fiend]

All right, I think people are starting to think that the word restriction means "This character will romance exclusively this race and nothing else."  That needn't be the case. 

 

I also think some people are thinking that "This means race X can only romance other people of the same race!"  Which also doesn't have to be the case.

 

There's 4 races the player character can be.  If all the romances are available to all races with the exception of 1, then "race restrictions exist" is still true.

 

 

Of the shown characters, Varric is a dwarf.  We're not going to say "The only option for dwarf PCs is Varric" (there's no guarantee that Varric is even a romance option).  So unless we were having no romances for dwarves (we aren't), then I think there's a pretty decent chance that there will be non-dwarf NPCs that have no problem hooking up with a dwarf inquisitor, just by playing the odds.

 

I'll admit, I've been pretty harsh(understatement) on the whole concept, partly because I'm opposed to it even in principle(got into that in the last thread, would rather not rehash it), but also largely because I'm taking a "worst case scenario" view for this. If I'm proved wrong, I'll eat my share of crow.

[HuldraDancer]

He was getting a dig in on Velanna. He mentions being attracted to human women in Origins several times.

Hmm must have missed that I only recall him making a pass at Wynn for knowing her liquor and for getting giddy like a highschool boy if you have a threesome with Isablea and Leliana. But I'll take your word on it, its been a while since I've played Origins since I've switched over to the PC

[LilyasAvalon]

Getting into fights because of romance content is pretty much what led to the romance subforum for ME3 getting shut down though. I don't like facilitating people getting hostile towards each other.

I understand your post was in jest, but I've seen people legitimize their aggression for the same (and similar) reasons.

Those were dark days indeed.

I can see why Bioware may be hesitant to release information then

[Allan Schumacher]

I guess that makes sense, is just what i automatically thought of when i 1st heard of gender restrictions coming back, kinda reminded me of the ME mako thing when people complained about it & then it was removed in the next game.

 

The Mako is a bit different because (at least in my opinion) it has significant, non-optional costs.  Also, internally, there are people that didn't find it a strength of ME1 either (I didn't mind the crit path Mako parts, but for the most part the content that involved the Mako wasn't interesting to me).

 

It's important to note that for any one thing there's probably a group of people complaining about it.  So if we make any changes, it's possible for someone to assume that we made those changes in response to those complaints.

[AresKeith]

I was probaly one of the few that actually liked the Mako on console version of ME.It was fun to ride in.

 

I was annoyed that they removed it, most complaints I saw was asking for better controls and terrain 

[LilyasAvalon]

Still want to know if I can ride the bull though.

[HuldraDancer]

That romance is my number two favorite aside from Leliana's.

I prefer him more of a friend myself especially if your male warden is romancing Morrigan its just so adorable and the banter about Morrigan taking his friend away is just so   His romance was nice but there was a ton of hoops to jump through near the end for it for me.

[cjones91]

Still want to know if I can ride the bull though.

It's possible and more than likely.

[Vindicare175]

Or 2/2/2 lol. Why do would we necessarily need 4 of each?

 

i like the number 12 better then 6? lol Honestly just cause its more options.

[cjones91]

I prefer him more of a friend myself especially if your male warden is romancing Morrigan its just so adorable and the banter about Morrigan taking his friend away is just so   His romance was nice but there was a ton of hoops to jump through near the end for it for me.

True,but it's so worth it if you play your cards right.

[Allan Schumacher]

One of the best things about DA2 for me was that I unlike DA:O I could play a gay character and actually have a choice. Can't speak for anybody else, but one of my concerns is that certain races may take that restriction right back down to "the one available same-sex character, or be forever alone". Do we still get a choice of more than one in DA:I, regardless of gender/race/orientation? Because that's what I'm worried about.

 

Many at BioWare, including myself, recognize that choice is important.  I don't know what the breakdowns of the race restrictions are or how severe, but I can definitely say that orientation choice definitely exists.

 

 

EDIT: Since I realize this can be misunderstood, I know orientation choice exists across races.  I don't know how the race breakdown will necessarily be.  And at this point it serves as a reminder that I probably shouldn't overspeak on stuff that I don't directly work with, so I should be a bit more careful.  Sorry!

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 13 juin 2014 - 09:12 .

[Nuclear]

His romance was nice but there was a ton of hoops to jump through near the end for it for me.

He was my romance in my first ever playthrough. With a Elf Mage. I didn't harden him. I made him King.

 

I was mad.

[Allan Schumacher]

I was annoyed that they removed it, most complaints I saw was asking for better controls and terrain 

 

This isn't as trivial as you might think though.  Control schemes aren't as bad, but "terrain" can mean a wide variety of things and it comes across as "I'd like it if you spent more time working to make the content that uses it better."  But I'd argue that that can be true of almost any aspect of a game.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I was probaly one of the few that actually liked the Mako on console version of ME.It was fun to ride in.

I didn't might the mako on story missions, i just got tired of all the driving on random planets stuff.

[cjones91]

Many at BioWare, including myself, recognize that choice is important.  I don't know what the breakdowns of the race restrictions are or how severe, but I can definitely say that orientation choice definitely exists.

And this is why you guys are one of my favorite game devs.