Ce sujet est fermé
I don't know. Only four romance options are genuinely Shepard's subordinates--Kaidan, Ashley, Samantha and Steve. Jacob and Miranda might count depending on how you think of Shepard's status in Cerberus, but everyone else is following Shepard as voluntarily as anyone in DA2 (unless Tali is exiled).
Everyone you recruit in ME2 is totally in a subordinate relationship with the Commander.
I still think Anders and Varric should have colaborated on a smut book with the tagline 'The Templars Come and Watch.'
Shouldn't that be 'Watch and Come'? I'm going in the corner now. Kthks
Shepard could literallly order the majority of that squad to their death. In fact, lots of players actually order characters to their death because they dislike them during the Suicide mission. There are no other parts of ME1 or ME3 that allow (with the exception of Ashley vs. Kaiden where, again, the osensibly superior officer - Kaiden - is left to die because Shepard is boning Ashley). That's a real problem.
And I have no problem with you painting Shepard as a bad leader. I believe it is subjective though based on your own experiences and knowledge of military life as it exists in our world. I believe you when you say that most soldiers fighting in a resistance would not look up to Shepard as some kind of ultimate hero because they know that the real heroes are those fighting the trenches day-in day-out with very little reprieve, facing all the same dangers without any of the comforts of a civilian designed warship. I think they would be wrong to discount him as a hero altogether though. He may not be any more heroic than your average soldier but he is still willing to give his life to protect the galaxy and ultimately does in 3 out of four endings. As for him being the leader of the fight against the Reapers, I don't necessarily see him this way and neither does Shepard himself (depending on how you play). He is ordered to the Mars archives and then when the plans for the crucible are discovered, he is ordered to build alliances and gather reinforcements and resources for the war. This is and has always been a role forced upon Shepard as a result of pure chance. He has always been the "everyman" soldier thrown into exceptional circumstances and forced to take an unorthodox approach to dealing with the whatever evil he was faced with. The fact that the rest of the galaxy needed to have one man they could point to as their saviour was none of Shepard s doing. It's basically PR and goodwill needed in a time of crisis. I'm glad the soldiers on Earth reacted positively to Shepard upon his return because while neither I nor Shepard saw him as being the paragon of the human race that everyone else wanted him to be, he still successfully carried out the most important mission in galactic history and saved trillions of lives. If said front-line men and women can't give someone respect and appreciation for that, then they deserve a sync-animation kill by a banshee.
And that's the sort of sentiment that makes for a horrible military narrative character for anyone familiar with the military.
Case in point: Shepard acting like the 'everyman' character isn't just wrong, but in reality it can actually be offensive and aggravating. When an elite soldier or officer acts like they are the baseline, it implicitly makes everyone less capable than them to be substandard. 'Not as amazing as me' becomes 'not meeting the standard.' This can be useful: an officer in particular should be a bar for their soldiers to reach and surpass. But it can also be misleading and harmful when the bar is set so unrealistically high that no one else will be able to reach it. Goals needs to be both realistic and achievable, and 'the best' isn't a good one. When Shepard, super-cyborg with top 1% ability and equipment and support says 'I'm just the same as you' as if you're at the same standard, and you know you aren't, he or she is really saying 'you're not good enough if you can't meet the standard.' Which they won't.
Soldiers dislike false modesty and association as much as anyone else. They don't like it when politicians try to equate themselves with the everyman, they don't like it when officers pretend they're just another Joe, and they don't like it when rear-stationed soldiers claim to be front line troops. And if you think that means they deserve to be murdered by the enemy they don't have a stealth ship to get away from... well, they probably wouldn't like that either.
Except they'd be dead. Because they aren't Shepard, and Shepard isn't an everyman on the front lines like them.
Which, to bring us back around to Dragon Age in a tangent, is why I hope no one falls for the Inquisitor's military amazingness or swoons over how they're just another soldier like the rest of the soldiers of the Inquisition.
So, on an on-topic note, what about that confirmation then non confirmation on IB's LI status?
So, on an on-topic note, what about that confirmation then non confirmation on IB's LI status?
Looked like typical cryptic dev teasing to me.
The devs are fickle and cruel and feed on our tears, so I wasn't particularly surprised.
I still think that there will be option for at least some Inquisitors to at least take him for a ride, even if he's not a full romance.
So, on an on-topic note, what about that confirmation then non confirmation on IB's LI status?
I laugh to think of an antagonist trying to keep villain cred while trying to deal with a raging crush.
Probably wouldn't fit too well in a 'fate of the world' context in which the antagonist is on the destroy the world side. But I could definitely see it if we were lower level struggle. Think the Dragon to a Corrupt Executive.
'I'm sorry, I can't let you see these incriminating documents. I could show you a nice restaurant with great food, though, if you're free this evening.'
It would be more like: "These incriminating documents are definitely somewhere on my person, but you're going to have to find them... ;)"
Now that would be an interesting twist. Maybe they try to recruit you to their side along the way, or you get to the big end battle and they offer you the choice to rule with them in murderous, dysfunctional loving harmony instead of destroying them.
I sort of maybe remember how Sion in KotORII was supposed to be in love with the Exile or something? I may not be remembering right anymore, but with the feeling of that fight at the end it made sense to me back then.
Villain: "Join me, and we can rule together!"
Hero: "I'm not really ready for that sort of commitment..."
You as the player could order those characters to their deaths with meta-knowledge of the game. No matter how you played your Shepard, he didn't know the outcome of assigning a specialist task to an unsuitable squadmate because he was not psychic. Even you played your Shepard as a sadistic a-hole that purposefully assigned unsuitable squadmates, those not under his direct command could still have refused if they didn't trust that Shepard had the best interests of the mission in mind (not in-game I know).
There are definitely clear fail situations:
Miranda: "This will require intricate knowledge of hacking, Shepard".
Shepard "Grunt, what do you know about hacking?"
Grunt: *eating part of a computer screen* "Huh?"
Shepard: "Grunt, you're up."
@Dean_The_Young - It seems Shep and I are damned if we do damned if we don't. Set a good example! Give the troops something to aspire to! No, don't be too lofty about it! No, don't go saying your average, it'll make them feel bad about themselves! Whatever...
If you think I honestly believe any real live soldier fighting in a real live war deserves to be killed for not showing deference to a war hero then you must have come across some really evil people on your Internet travels to not know I was joking about the (completely fictional) banshee.
After this, I'll stay silent on the topic but you're making me and the writing team of Bioware out to hapless, head-in-the-clouds, soft-hearted losers for having faith in the hero we crafted together.
Set a good example. Don't claim to be just another joe when (a) you're an officer, and (
you're not. Don't claim to be (or accept claims to be) a common soldier on the front lines if you aren't.
It's not particularly hard, and it's not about being that or hapless, head-in-the-clouds, soft-hearted losers. It's just recognizing what Shepard is (a special snowflake of a player avatar), and what Shepard isn't (a regular joe or amazing officer), and not trying to hype cliches without providing substance.
I criticize ME for a lot of things- the military power fantasy that bears little relation to the military is just one of them. It doesn't mean I haven't enjoyed the games.
It would be more like: "These incriminating documents are definitely somewhere on my person, but you're going to have to find them... ;)"
'And you'll probably need a probe.'
Set a good example. Don't claim to be just another joe when (a) you're an officer, and (
It's not particularly hard, and it's not about being that or hapless, head-in-the-clouds, soft-hearted losers. It's just recognizing what Shepard is (a special snowflake of a player avatar), and what Shepard isn't (a regular joe or amazing officer), and not trying to hype cliches without providing substance.
I criticize ME for a lot of things- the military power fantasy that bears little relation to the military is just one of them. It doesn't mean I haven't enjoyed the games.
I've PMed you on the subject for the benefit of those who don't want to talk about ME in this thread.
I think Kerrin meant to do it to stir up the conversation but it is almost certainly still true.
The other options are that:
1) it was a slip-up but still true
2) it was a slip-up and not true or;
3) she did it on purpose knowing that he isn't an LI
The first means she's semi-negligent, the second means she's imcompetent and third means she just trolling us and I'd like to give her more credit than that.
Or she's probably just trolling the ever living hell out of us, which they do. A LOT.
Which, to bring us back around to Dragon Age in a tangent, is why I hope no one falls for the Inquisitor's military amazingness or swoons over how they're just another soldier like the rest of the soldiers of the Inquisition.
Well, DA:I gives us advisors, so presumably it will assume the Inquisitor doesn't know anything about leading in any meaningful capacity whatsoever.
Or she's probably just trolling the ever living hell out of us, which they do. A LOT.
Which is... really annoyingly unprofessional behavior, and I wish they'd stop.
Or she's probably just trolling the ever living hell out of us, which they do. A LOT.
As someone who doesn't follow twitter at all... what do they troll with? Are there examples when they've misled fans about a feature?
Or she's probably just trolling the ever living hell out of us, which they do. A LOT.
Well, DA:I gives us advisors, so presumably it will assume the Inquisitor doesn't know anything about leading in any meaningful capacity whatsoever.
What? Being a leader doesn't mean you know everything about the logistics of coordinating soldiers and spies, finding the money to equip and feed them and all that. Every leader has advisors or aides to help run day to day operations.
What? Being a leader doesn't mean you know everything about the logistics of coordinating soldiers and spies, finding the money to equip and feed them and all that. Every leader has advisors or aides to help run day to day operations.
Actually, leaders IRL (which is to say, managers of any capacity) tend to have a lot of industry specific knowledge (though they may be leading varied teams, some of whom they don't have direct experience with). The only real exception is a job where the type of leading is itself a specialized skill, but typically that person has already done the job before coming up an organization that's tied to their original expertise.
Actually, leaders IRL (which is to say, managers of any capacity) tend to have a lot of industry specific knowledge (though they may be leading varied teams, some of whom they don't have direct experience with). The only real exception is a job where the type of leading is itself a specialized skill, but typically that person has already done the job before coming up an organization that's tied to their original expertise.
Speaking of leaders usually means political and military leader.
We also don't pick those leaders off the street. Even political leaders who weren't in government at all - which is really rare - have experience leading other super complicated organizations (like major multinational businesses).
Retour en haut
