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[godModeAlpha]

But will they be race-gated?

So many crossed wires and tears, I can't even remember how we came to the conclusion that it is indeed the females that would be race-gated?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So many crossed wires and tears, I can't even remember how we came to the conclusion that it is indeed the females that would be race-gated?

Because Gaider said there will be race gates. 

[godModeAlpha]

Because Gaider said there will be race gates.

I do remember his comment, but don't recall him saying if it would apply to a certain sex?

[Former_Fiend]

I do remember his comment, but it don't recall him saying if it would for ascertained sex?

 

I think the assumption is that both male and female characters will have race gating.

[cogsandcurls]

I do remember his comment, but it don't recall him saying if it would for ascertained sex?

 

It could be any of them, we have no idea. That's one of the reasons it's so frustrating.

[syllogi]

What I see happening in the end for many is kind of like those people who just sort of hooked up with somone that was their "second choice", but they're always secretly pining for someone else. Or when someone has a wife or husband, but actually loves their best friend more Like the husband is just extra weight.

 

You won't always have the situation where people hook up with their best friends.

 

Perhaps that's "realistic", I guess.

 

When it's announced that Dorian is gay and Cassandra is heterosexual I'm going to put "Didn't We Almost Have It All" on repeat while getting drunk on cheap wine and sobbing.

 

But it's all good.  It's realistic.

[.shea.]

I think the bi-romances are likelier to be 'race gated', otherwise they'd have to animate 8 different scenes for them.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think the bi-romances are likelier to be 'race gated', otherwise they'd have to animate 8 different scenes for them.

[Lebanese Dude]

I think the bi-romances are likelier to be 'race gated', otherwise they'd have to animate 8 different scenes for them.

 

inb4 Cullen is secretly an elf-hater.

[godModeAlpha]

It could be any of them, we have no idea. That's one of the reasons it's so frustrating.

Great, so it could anyone.

On that note, Solas comes across as the kind of LI who will be interested with only Elven Ll

[HuldraDancer]

I think the bi-romances are likelier to be 'race gated', otherwise they'd have to animate 8 different scenes for them.

 

 

My lady dwarf really will get no joy will she?   (I still swear if Iron Bull is and LI and Bi but is cut off from a dwarf romance but not an elf heads will roll. Mostly mine as I roll around on the ground holding my head in pain after bashing it into a wall)

[Former_Fiend]

Great, so it could anyone.

On that note, Solas comes across as the kind of LI who will be interested with only Elven Ll

 

Based on what, exactly? We know literally nothing about Solas beyond him being an apostate and an "expert in the fade", whatever that means.

[Phate Phoenix]

I think the bi-romances are likelier to be 'race gated', otherwise they'd have to animate 8 different scenes for them.

 

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. That said, I don't think the female bisexual characters will be gated from humans. (My personal belief is that Scribbles and Vivienne will be the two female bisexual characters, and Vivienne will be for humans and dwarves and Scribbles for humans, elves, and qunari.) (I am operating under the assumption of a 3/4/2 system.)

 

(The 3 stands for Cassandra; Varric, Solas as the straight characters, with Varric available to dwarves and qunari, and Solas available to humans and elves. Cassandra would be available for all.) (This is all conjecture.) (I am a non-attorney speaker.) (I am a meat popsicle.)

[Gtdef]

I have a question.

 

What is the hierarchy of writing the characters. Is it the main character first and everything else is tailored around him, or it's the rest of the world and characters first, and then trying to give to the main character options on how to deal with the various situations?

 

To explain why this is important, I'll use Hawke 

Hawke no matter what personality we steer him to in conversations, is the same person. If this correct or not?

To rephrase. When I choose the Direct dialogue, is that something that Hawke would say, or is it something that Direct Hawke would say, suggesting that they are different beings.

 

What I'm getting at, is that a lot of people roleplay the character as what they want him to be, not just how they want him to respond. And while in their head this is perfectly acceptable, in reality there are many constraints that limit the experience. 

 

While I can't expect from a character in a game to cover all possible bases, the way he is embedded into the story gives perspective. If it's the first, then caring about who is romanceable is pointless because the main character makes the actual choice and we are along for the ride, but if it's the second then it's all about the player and I have to trust that I can expand on every relevant emotional bond even if I get turned down (like Mass Effect did so well in my opinion).

[Vindicare175]

These two will probably be bi tbh (if Cass is straight that is) so we can have a bi female companion and a bi NPC.

 

Yes that's what I'm thinking as well , Cass - Straight , Viv and Scribbles - Bi.

 

But will they be race-gated?

 

Hmm no. only Characters that would be race gated imo is Iron Bull and Varric.

[godModeAlpha]

Based on what, exactly? We know literally nothing about Solas beyond him being an apostate and an "expert in the fade", whatever that means.

Agree while we don't know much about the others, it's a bit messy but using elimination processes, I deduced Solas as a bi race-gated elf.

I think IB would be bi, his page says something along the lines of him willing to bang anyone that will not break, seems open minded to me.

Varric is spoken for (Bianca).

[ShadowLordXII]

The irony of that scenario of course being that human/elf relationships are the only one with a strong stigma attached to them in universe. Dwarves in Orzamar may be somewhat racist, but it's a mild thing, and there's no sign that surface dwarves have any opposition towards relations with humans or elves. I'm sure a human or city elf with a qunari would raise a hell of a stink, but it seems to happen so rarely as to not be a major issue.

 

But elves and humans? There's a whole heap of stigma on that from both sides. 

 

I was actually talking in regards to whose more likely to be open to "bonding" outside of their race. From what we've seen qunari never allow cross-breeding; Dwarves are pretty hardwired to stay within their race as their birthrates are low enough and when it does happen, it's very rare; The circumstances vary and it is uncommon, but elves can and have had relations outside of their race particularly with humans; and humans are open to just about anything.

 

That's even taking into account cultural stigma. It's there, but enough elves and humans don't care to where they're less likely to be gated.

 

In regards to companions, here's what I'd predict including orientation:

 

Cassandra: Straight/Human Only (I hope I'm wrong here)

Vivienne: Bi/Humans and Elves

Scroll Girl (if romanceable): Bi/May not care

Varric: Straight/Dwarves only

Blackwall: No idea/May not care

Ironbull: Bi/Qunari only?

Sera: Gay/ Elves and/or Humans

Dorian: Gay?(I'm only going by his cartoony stash to be honest, I really have no idea)/Humans only?

Solas: No idea/Elves only

Unannounced returning character from asunder: No idea/May not care (if it's who I think it will be)

Cullen: Straight/Humans only

 

I hope that I'm wrong here, because you can see the problem no? BW will probably make the concept work, but I just don't see how and the whole concept seems unnecessary. BW's had plenty of interracial/interspecies romances in the past and most of them were well-received and well-written. Mainly because they focused more on the characters rather than the character's race. In fact, the very fact that most characters in the past were willing to romance your pc in spite of racial/species boundries made them appear more open-minded and stronger. Therefore, while on the surface most players weren't thinking about it, your brain may  have subconsciously given these characters a brownie point.

 

This race-gated romance concept just seems like a chore and a needless restriction on both gameplay and story immersion. Am I saying that it's unrealistic? No, though I'm not going to say that's a good thing or something that should be emulated. Is this a nitpicky complaint? Probably, though still appropriate in a detail-heavy setting. We'll just have to wait and see closer to release as to how far this race-gated romance concept is going to go.

 

But I'm not hitching any bets.

[Ianamus]

It's very unlikely that they would create a romance path that only one gender/race combination can play. Not enough people would have access to the content. 

 

I think gender and race restrictions are more likely to be a mutually exclusive kind of thing. Either a character has gender preferences or they have racial preferences. 

[Former_Fiend]

I was actually talking in regards to whose more likely to be open to "bonding" outside of their race. From what we've seen qunari never allow cross-breeding; Dwarves are pretty hardwired to stay within their race as their birthrates are low enough and when it does happen, it's very rare; The circumstances vary and it is uncommon, but elves can and have had relations outside of their race particularly with humans; and humans are open to just about anything.

 

That's even taking into account cultural stigma. It's there, but enough elves and humans don't care to where they're less likely to be gated.

 

In regards to companions, here's what I'd predict including orientation:

 

Cassandra: Straight/Human Only (I hope I'm wrong here)

Vivienne: Bi/Humans and Elves

Scroll Girl (if romanceable): Bi/May not care

Varric: Straight/Dwarves only

Blackwall: No idea/May not care

Ironbull: Bi/Qunari only?

Sera: Gay/ Elves and/or Humans

Dorian: Gay?(I'm only going by his cartoony stash to be honest, I really have no idea)/Humans only?

Solas: No idea/Elves only

Unannounced returning character from asunder: No idea/May not care (if it's who I think it will be)

Cullen: Straight/Humans only

 

I hope that I'm wrong here, because you can see the problem no? BW will probably make the concept work, but I just don't see how and the whole concept seems unnecessary. BW's had plenty of interracial/interspecies romances in the past and most of them were well-received and well-written. Mainly because they focused more on the characters rather than the character's race. In fact, the very fact that most characters in the past were willing to romance your pc in spite of racial/species boundries made them appear more open-minded and stronger. Therefore, while on the surface most players weren't thinking about it, your brain may  have subconsciously given these characters a brownie point.

 

This race-gated romance concept just seems like a chore and a needless restriction on both gameplay and story immersion. Am I saying that it's unrealistic? No, though I'm not going to say that's a good thing or something that should be emulated. Is this a nitpicky complaint? Probably, though still appropriate in a detail-heavy setting. We'll just have to wait and see closer to release as to how far this race-gated romance concept is going to go.

 

But I'm not hitching any bets.

 

In regards to the qunari their bans on crossbreeding mean precisely nothing for the following reasons; Qunari inquisitor isn't and never was part of the qun; Iron Bull is technically not bound by the qun rules in his undercover position and his bio specifically has him as being willing to sleep with anyone he doesn't think he'll 'break', and if that criteria limits him to other qunari he doesn't get laid much at all given the small sample size; and finally, who said anything about breeding? We're talking about love and sex, not starting a family.

 

As for dwarves, fact is we don't know enough about the dwarven inquisitor's background to judge that. The declining numbers is more a concern in Orzamar than on the surface where they don't face the constant threat of death by darkspawn, rival, or whims of an angry noble. So if the PC is a surface dwarf that baggage doesn't enter into the equation. If they're from Orzamar, then you've got an issue, but then again, that wasn't an issue back in Origins so why should it be one now?

[Phate Phoenix]

If we're posting our guesses (because that's all they really are at this point, but I love speculating like this) then I might as well post my full thoughts. (Note: This is the fourth iteration of this. I can't stop thinking about it.  ) Honestly, I've probably gone way overboard on the gating, but it's an interesting concept that I wanted to look at.

 

 
VIVIENNE: Bisexual - Human, Dwarf
SERA: Gay - Human, Elf, Dwarf, Qunari  [no gates]
‘SCRIBBLES’: Bisexual - Human, Elf, Qunari
CASSANDRA: Straight - Human, Elf, Dwarf, Qunari  [no gates]
VARRIC: Straight - Dwarf, Qunari
THE IRON BULL: Bisexual - Dwarf, Qunari
SOLAS: Straight - Human, Elf
DORIAN: Gay - Human, Elf, Dwarf, Qunari  [no gates]
CULLEN: Bisexual - Human, Elf
 
Female Human: Vivienne, Sera, Scribbles, Solas, Cullen
Female Elf: Sera, Scribbles, Solas, Cullen
Female Dwarf: Vivienne, Sera, Varric, The Iron Bull
Female Qunari: Sera, Scribbles, Varric, The Iron Bull
Male Human: Vivienne, Scribbles, Cassandra, Dorian, Cullen
Male Elf: Scribbles, Cassandra, Dorian, Cullen
Male Dwarf: Vivienne, Cassandra, The Iron Bull, Dorian
Male Qunari: Scribbles, Cassandra, The Iron Bull, Dorian
 
For a total of 9 LI and 34 different scenes.

[godModeAlpha]

If we're posting our guesses (because that's all they really are at this point, but I love speculating like this) then I might as well post my full thoughts. (Note: This is the fourth iteration of this. I can't stop thinking about it. ) Honestly, I've probably gone way overboard on the gating, but it's an interesting concept that I wanted to look at.

VIVIENNE: Bisexual - Human, DwarfSERA: Gay - Human, Elf, Dwarf, Qunari [no gates]‘SCRIBBLES’: Bisexual - Human, Elf, QunariCASSANDRA: Straight - Human, Elf, Dwarf, Qunari [no gates]VARRIC: Straight - Dwarf, QunariTHE IRON BULL: Bisexual - Dwarf, QunariSOLAS: Straight - Human, ElfDORIAN: Gay - Human, Elf, Dwarf, Qunari [no gates]CULLEN: Bisexual - Human, Elf
Female Human: Vivienne, Sera, Scribbles, Solas, CullenFemale Elf: Sera, Scribbles, Solas, CullenFemale Dwarf: Vivienne, Sera, Varric, The Iron BullFemale Qunari: Sera, Scribbles, Varric, The Iron BullMale Human: Vivienne, Scribbles, Cassandra, Dorian, CullenMale Elf: Scribbles, Cassandra, Dorian, CullenMale Dwarf: Vivienne, Cassandra, The Iron Bull, DorianMale Qunari: Scribbles, Cassandra, The Iron Bull, Dorian

For a total of 9 LI and 34 different scenes.

Thanks, very insightful, I'm still analysing your speculation (it's fun indeed). What about Blackwall or Cole? Are you assuming they are not available?

[Phate Phoenix]

Thanks, very insightful, I'm still analysing your speculation (it's fun indeed). What about Blackwall?

 

I honestly don't think all the companions are going to be LI's. They could be, though. For Blackwall, if he were an LI, I'd bet he's Straight and Ungated, perhaps Cassandra's counterpart.

[AresKeith]

I honestly don't think all the companions are going to be LI's. They could be, though. For Blackwall, if he were an LI, I'd bet he's Straight and Ungated, perhaps Cassandra's counterpart.

 

That's actually why I think we won't even have 8 LIs, because that's pretty much all of our companions minus 2