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[Dean_the_Young]

Still I don't understand how the new system is more cost efficient than the DA2 one.

We get more LI , in theory , if you play the game with different characters.

If you don't replay the game , and most player don't , I'm not sure players will get more options in the end.

 

Sure. But in DA2, the player's player character was extremely predictable since there were only two types: male Hawke and female Hawke. All Hawkes were human and had the same dimensions. All LI's only had to be modeled off of two* body types.

 

In Inquisition, the Inquisitor can have eight types: male and female versions of dwarf, human, elf, and Qunari. Right off the bat, that's a four-fold increase in requirements for fine-tuning interaction scenes if a LI is to be available for every single Inquitior.

 

 

You are right that an individual player may not have as many options... but in Inquisition there is going to be a lot more potential places for the individual player to be from. Costs are going to go up per LI, and the likelihood of radically scaling up the romance budget to meet it isn't likely. You'd either have to restrict the selection of love interests (such as by not having some characters be LIs at all), or restrict the selection of player characters.

 

 

Congratulations, fandom! Having more races available to play as can impact romance! Pick your side about which is more important: multi-racial inquisitor, or romances? Ready... fight!

 

 

 

*Technically not quite: mage and warrior and rogue had differences. But since the class distinction is going to apply to the Inquisitor as well, the principle as a ratio is still at work.

 

 

 

 

If it's about the Qunari/dwarves ...I don't know , more talking , sitting or lying in a bed and less kissing , hugging etc would have worked no?

Instead of probably limiting the romance option for the players who choose those races.

 

Many people didn't like less kissing, hugging, and etc. when it came with Sebastian. It might not have bothered you, but it would have bothered someone who felt they were being 'cheated' out of a 'real' romance. At which point you're not preventing unhappiness as much as just spreading it around, at which point what's the point besides your own preference at the cost of someone else's?

 

There's also more going on in dialogue scenes than just talking. Ever since Bioware has moved away from the standing stationary and fisheyed method of conversations, more focus has been put on having the characters act and communicate in non-verbal ways, including posture. Posture is something that needs to be re-tooled every time a significant body change occurs.

[syllogi]

From what I have learned, bisexual people are not any more or less likely to advertise their sexual orientation.  If the person happens to be monogamous, most tend to assume they are not bisexual.  To the point where they literally argue with the bisexual that they can't be bisexual because they are with on person....

 

In other words, a bisexual character that is only known to be bisexual because of the metaknowledge of multiple playthroughs is not an incorrect representation of bisexuality.

 

Unless, of course, a bisexual person would like to correct me on this (admittedly I'm not, but I see your argument come up all the time and it seems less and less true every time I see it).

 

Right, there's nothing more or less realistic about a character who doesn't talk about themselves when it comes to who they're attracted to...which seems to be the big thing with people who don't like playersexuality, they really wanted Fenris or Merrill to talk about their preferences.  Which, in my opinion, would not have been realistic for the way they were written. 

 

In the end, it comes down to the fact that yeah, people's personalities are not dictated by their sexual orientations, whether others want to believe it or not, at least most of the time.  So diversity in representation is a good thing, and hopefully people can just accept it if in fact there are bisexual characters in DA:I who don't openly show attraction for anyone but the Inquisitor during the game.

[Wulfram]

Well, it'll be annoying if you end up with just the annoying jerk being an option for your gender/orientation/race.

 

Did anyone else hear the thread title in the Street Fighter announcer's voice?

 

 

My mind went more to Shepard and Liara

[Dean_the_Young]

Ah, Wulfram, that would require Bioware to write a bisexual jerk.

 

(Thinks back to DA2.)

 

Alright, I see your point.

[godModeAlpha]

Thank's Allan for explaining.

 

Everyone would agree that a richer LI expirience is better.

[AkiKishi]

Well, it'll be annoying if you end up with just the annoying jerk being an option for your gender/orientation/race.

 

 

My mind went more to Shepard and Liara

 

As optional content romances are prime candidates for cutting to meet deadlines. I can't think of any other optional content that has a higher time to cost ratio.

 

I think people just need to take a step back and appreciate when things are cut to get the game out and not because they hate you or anything. Of course when they make a point point of using the "DA:I has more romances" card. People are going to feel they have been mislead and brings up painful memories of ME3's endings the theory vs the reality.

[Mukora]

Well, it'll be annoying if you end up with just the annoying jerk being an option for your gender/orientation/race.

That can easily be solved by just giving every gender/race combo a decent amount of choice.

[Dean_the_Young]

That can easily be solved by just giving every gender/race combo a decent amount of choice.

Well, that's a subjective solution to a subjective problem. What if someone doesn't consider the available LI's 'decent'?

 

We've already had some people bemoaning Sera's lesbian status because their categorization of 'decent' was 'elf I could heterosexually romance as a male Dalish with an eye at preservation of the species.'

 

 

Obviously such expectations and categorizations aren't the goals of the developers, and so such people are going to feel dismissed no matter how many other genders and/or races are available.

[Darth Krytie]

That can easily be solved by just giving every gender/race combo a decent amount of choice.

 

And there's nothing at all that says BioWare hasn't done that. There's a lot of assumptions going around right now, and a fair amount of them negative. Even if the stats of it were released, I'm not sure it'd ease anyone's mind.

 

If you were to ask me how all the romances in  DA2 were gonna play out, based on my pre-game knowledge of everyone, I'd have been wrong about all of them. I certainly couldn't have figured out which would have been my favourite before actually playing the game.

 

So, maybe, let yourselves get wooed and won over? Open yourself to the possibility someone will sweep you off your feet?

[SnakeCode]

I had a feeling that something like this (racegating) would happen as soon as it was announced they were bringing race options back.

 

Honestly? If it's a choice between getting to choose my character's race or getting to romance my preferred LI, then i'd happily choose race options every time.

[Mukora]

I had a feeling that something like this (racegating) would happen as soon as it was announced they were bringing race options back.

 

Honestly? If it's a choice between getting to choose my character's race or getting to romance my preferred LI, then i'd happily choose race options every time.

Agreed fully.

 

I'd much rather have more options for what sort of character to play than who I'm able to bang.

 

Both would be nice, but I'm not to fussed if it's an either-or situation.

[The Ascendant]

I hope Vivienne is a romance. She is beautiful, a mage, ambitious, snarky and Orlesian. Truly my ideal woman.

[Wulfram]

That can easily be solved by just giving every gender/race combo a decent amount of choice.

 

Of course it's possible, but that starts to require quite a lot of romances if both romance and race is a restriction. 

[Mukora]

Well, that starts to require quite a lot of romances if both romance and race is a restriction.  Of course it's possible

Not really. You could make it work with 8 options, minimum, I think.

[Wulfram]

Not really. You could make it work with 8 options, minimum, I think.

 

8 romances is quite a lot.  OK, ME3 arguably had more, but a lot were pretty limited.

 

Technically, you could get by with fewer if you assume that both race and gender restrictions are the exception, rather than the rule.

[AkiKishi]

I had a feeling that something like this (racegating) would happen as soon as it was announced they were bringing race options back.

 

Honestly? If it's a choice between getting to choose my character's race or getting to romance my preferred LI, then i'd happily choose race options every time.

 

Likewise.

[Char]

I'm just intrigued to see who the options are, and which kinds of characters they will be open to I'm a bit of a spoiler queen so all information is good information for me
It does make me sad that there are people who won't get their preferred options, but I also think that the opportunity to have a more diverse range of LI's is intriguing.

[Felya87]

the race restriction is not a big deal, after all. I like to play more than one character, and usually of different races. I only hope there isn't favouritisms for humans only this time, since is the only race I have no interest in playng. 

[Battlebloodmage]

8 romances is quite a lot.  OK, ME3 arguably had more, but a lot were pretty limited.

 

Technically, you could get by with fewer if you assume that both race and gender restrictions are the exception, rather than the rule.

The work the have to put in is actually more since they only have to do it with Shepard as either male or female in romance scenes while with DA, each romance would need around 8 for each without the racial restriction for a bi character.  

[Ajna]

Regarding race gating, David Gaider replied to someone in another thread with this:-

 

"By "particular group" I mean "in real life."

 

Worrying about the distribution between male and female players, and one of them feeling like content geared at them was an afterthought, I am fine with. Worrying about a distribution amongst sexualities, and making it so that gay or bisexual players don't feel they won't have choices, I am also fine with. Worrying about "players who like playing dwarves" or "players who like playing humans" or whatever other races, that I'm not as concerned about. Which is why I'm saying you will have options, but you may not have the same number of options depending on what race you select.

 

It's fine if someone doesn't like that idea. Some folks, we're quite aware, aren't happy that romances are being gated at all and would prefer to have all romances available to all PC's. I would suggest not panicking just yet, as not all romances are even race-gated and the options have not all suddenly dried up as someone might fear, but I suppose until and unless they learn otherwise they can justifiably choose to be pessimistic. Maybe we'll put up the chart (yes, there's actually a chart) at some point, and having said information will make you feel better before you play the game, but that's not really my decision."

[Dean_the_Young]

8 romances is quite a lot.  OK, ME3 arguably had more, but a lot were pretty limited.

 

Technically, you could get by with fewer if you assume that both race and gender restrictions are the exception, rather than the rule.

 

Not to mention that Mass Effect had, what, one bisexual romance the entire series? And only two same-sex ones?

 

If you count the number of cutscene scenarios that would need to be fine-tuned between a particular love interest and a possible Shepard, ME was pretty skim. In ME2, Jacob, Thane, Garrus, Tali, Miranda, and Jack each had only one possible scene, so six romance cutscenes for fine-tuning since there was only one Shep-type per LI.

 

In DAO, even the straight romances had to orient to three builds each: Alistair-Dwarf, Alistair-Human, Alistair-Elf, and the same for Morrigan. Two straight characters had as many protagonist-build climax scenes to consider as all of ME2.

 

There are mitigating factors, of course: that was when elves and humans were pretty much the same body type, and there was more diversity in the ME romance climaxes than in the same romance with different body types. But in the number of match-ups to warrant tweaking and fine tuning to mitigate the uncanny valley, DA has been far more dense than ME.

[godModeAlpha]

It's adeffinately a techincal issue to an extent (maybe budget too). The amount of storage that would be needed for a fully fleshed 4 bi LI's would be crazy (exponential).

 

It's better to get a full fleshed expirience than a linear not engaged LI scenario.

 

Having said that, I hope Viv is a LI ... I have jungle fever.

[Vegeta 77]

From what DG said sounds like dwaf players are getting the worst of it. Plus him saying not all li are effected by race . So human players like me should be fine if we pick cass or viv. 

[AkiKishi]

From what DG said sounds like dwaf players are getting the worst of it. Plus him saying not all li are effected by race . So human players like me should be fine if we pick cass or viv. 

 

I'd expect that because dwarves are unpopular. Qunari equally awkward or more so, but also something new. 

[Gervaise]

I totally get what you are saying OP.   May be the developers made a rod for their own backs by trying to cater for everyone.   In DAO I was perfectly okay with the choices we were offered.  When I first played the game I hadn't been on any of the sites, so I didn't know any of the characters were bisexual.   Having missed picking up Lelianna in Lothering, I thought I was going to be stuck with just Morrigan  with my male PC, and our relationship was becoming strained, until Zevran suddenly approached me asking if I were interested.   Hello, I thought, that's new but it made me think a bit.   May be the reason my Dalish guy had never married (and I would have thought there would be pressure on him to do so) was that girls didn't really interest him.  That would account for the tension with him and Morrigan.   And I sort of went from there.   Now I was really attracted to Alistair but he was off limits to my male Warden, so next time round I made sure I was female.

 

In DA2 I kept going back to Fenris precisely because he was available to either sex, although I did try all the other options through to the end (except Anders) at least once.   I personally would prefer being restricted to one gender/race in return for a really deep relationship, rather than covering all bases and getting less content by way of trade off.    What would be helpful is getting some indication in game fairly early on that a particular romance is not available to you, so you don't end up turning someone else away because you're holding out for a romance that is never going to happen.      It doesn't have to be in direct conversation.   May be you overhear someone talking about the character or the character themselves making a casual comment to someone, so you know where you stand.    Alternatively, put something in the official data about the character, so you know before you start.      However, nothing so crass as DA2 where you hit on characters the moment you meet them.