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[Josh902]

We should go and play frisbee on the beach or something, forget all about it..

 

I got some breakfast want some? We got eggs toast got a lil bit coffee after that we can hit the beach sounds like a fun time.

[fiveforchaos]

Maybe, I don't know...or Vivienne isn't race gated at all and dwarfs and elves get Dagna as a bisexual option, while humans and qunaris get irun bull... 

Oooo now you're speaking my language. Any situation that has Dagna as an LI is a good one for me .

[LiaraShepard]

Oooo now you're speaking my language. Any situation that has Dagna as an LI is a good one for me .

 

would be our first dwarf romance, and she's very cute. I'd actually prefer her over scribbles, though I don't know anything about scribbles. Maybe that's the reason.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't have a vested interest in who the female LIs are, but I'll be surprised if the LIs are outside the companions and advisors.  

[azarhal]

Since race-gating was put in to limit the number of cutscenes, my speculation is that they will restrict the bisexual LI to two races only, while the others will only have gender-gating. This way every LI has 4 different versions of their romance scenes.

 

While it looks pretty in term of math, it actually looks ugly once you realize that there is very few none-humans among the potential candidates (three males) and there is exactly zero female none-human that can be bisexual.  It make it hard to have all PC with at least two choices without having a human that is only into none-humans...

[Clockwork_Wings]

I admit, getting Vivienne into a "scandalous" relationship is somehow appealing... I don't know why I still feel some sort of tinge of love/hate for her when I have Sera, but it exists.

I direct you to my script on the Vivienne thread concerning her relationship with a Fereldan alienage elf.

[Xilizhra]

I direct you to my script on the Vivienne thread concerning her relationship with a Fereldan alienage elf.

Have you a link? Or did you just post it?

[HuldraDancer]

While it looks pretty in term of math, it actually looks ugly once you realize that there is very few none-humans among the potential candidates (three males) and there is exactly zero female none-human that can be bisexual.  It make it hard to have all PC with at least two choices without having a human that is only into none-humans...

Wouldn't be the first time a character has come off with a creepy interest in a different race. Still think the race gates should be torn down all together but a lot of people seem to think that only the bi LI's will be race gated though that doesn't really fix the problem you mentioned though they may take the route of giving some races less choices which is an even worse problem to me.

[azarhal]

Wouldn't be the first time a character has come off with a creepy interest in a different race. Still think the race gates should be torn down all together but a lot of people seem to think that only the bi LI's will be race gated though that doesn't really fix the problem you mentioned though they may take the route of giving some races less choices which is an even worse problem to me.

 

Race won't all have the same number of choices, humans should technically have more just by the racial disparity of the characters available.

 

Also, people should keep in mind that making two bisexual characters with two different races each do not reduce how many animations is required, it just spread it out to two characters as opposed to have it all on the same character. While this might help to split the workload to more animators, it might actually be ineffective to reduce the time it takes to make them overall.

 

I think it's much more likely that race-gating was added to limit extra content workload, not necessarily cut the originally planned one.

[HuldraDancer]

Race won't all have the same number of choices, humans should technically have more just by the racial disparity of the characters available.

 

Also, people should keep in mind that making two bisexual characters with two different races each do not reduce how many animations is required, it just spread it out to two characters as opposed to have it all on the same character. While this might help to split the workload to more animators, it might actually be ineffective to reduce the time it takes to make them overall.

 

I think it's much more likely that race-gating was added to limit extra content workload, not necessarily cut the originally planned one.

That is why I hate race gates cause chances are the humans are going to get most of the things and that to me is very annoying especially since I rarely play human in games where I'm given a choice of race.

 

Wouldn't race gates cause there to be less animation since instead of having to make 8 different animations they only had to make say 4 if they cut two races from being available to the bi sexual LI?

 

Pardon me for not getting what you mean could you explain a little more to me please? I don't think much extra was added at least in terms of LIs to the game when races were added back in so I'm not sure what it is you mean.  

[wright1978]

 

 

That's why I used those three as examples since they were the only ones I could say about that fairly having romanced them with both genders, like I said it could just be me seeing this, aside from Zevran since you can inquire about him and there is a conversation where he does mention he prefers women to men and it is something I've seen a couple people complain about. But aside from Zevran as far as I know no other Bi LI that states they prefer one gender over the other. It was just an impression I got.

 

 

As I said I couldn't speak for Anders or Fenris since I haven't romanced them as male Hawke so I'm not really show that the romance differs with little bits of extra dialog or more caring dialog like Isabela does with a female Hawke compared to a male Hawke. Anders I would agree does seem like a tougher call since he is more comfortable talking about Karl to a male Hawke than Female though I"m not sure his romance differs. So Fenris really doesn't talk about preference then or act that much different in a romance compared to male than female? Guess aside you could say that Fernis does prefer women if you count him hooking up with Isabela but having never got those conversations myself in any of my games I'm guessing its not a huge thing?

 

That's mainly why I asked for one I can't think of one time I've seen a male character that was Bi that preferred his own gender but I can think of female bi characters that do, and it would be nice to see a change I'm not asking the LI to telling me that they prefer the other gender compared to mine (like Zev did) but little changes in the romance depending on  your gender would be a nice indication (Like Isabela). It just would be nice to see 

 

Haven't romanced Zevran but have romanced Isabela numerous times with both sexes. There may be minor differences in dialogue but there is no preference imo, that's just something people imagine imo. It's also something i don't want them to explicitly do as it plays into some people's desire to claim X doesn't really love Y because Y isn't really the gender X is actually keen on despite their bi-sexuality meaning they are open to being attracted to either.

[HuldraDancer]

Haven't romanced Zevran but have romanced Isabela numerous times with both sexes. There may be minor differences in dialogue but there is no preference imo, that's just something people imagine imo. It's also something i don't want them to explicitly do as it plays into some people's desire to claim X doesn't really love Y because Y isn't really the gender X is actually keen on despite their bi-sexuality meaning they are open to being attracted to either.

Zev does outright tell you he prefers women to men regardless if you are romancing him as a man or woman. To me Isabela's romance with a woman is more caring that one with a man though most of the extra dialog is in MOTA DLC but again thats just to me since she gets jealous of a Talis flirting with a female hawke than a male hawke I also heard her dialog is different for male and female hawkes who romance her if you turn her over to the arishok but I've never done it so I don't' know. Again thats how it comes off to me and if they do things like slight preferences I'd rather they do something along the lines of Isabela than as to Zevran. I never said I wanted a bi LI to tell the PC they prefer the gender they aren't  (Zevran) I was just asking for slight differences in the romance based on gender key word slight.

[Maferath]

While it looks pretty in term of math, it actually looks ugly once you realize that there is very few none-humans among the potential candidates (three males) and there is exactly zero female none-human that can be bisexual.  It make it hard to have all PC with at least two choices without having a human that is only into none-humans...

 

I really really doubt that all PCs are going to have a choice, unfortunately. Hopefully I'm wrong, but the last time Bioware had race-gated romances in their games was in Baldur's Gate, where dwarven PCs had zero options.

[HuldraDancer]

I really really doubt that all PCs are going to have a choice, unfortunately. Hopefully I'm wrong, but the last time Bioware had race-gated romances in their games was in Baldur's Gate, where dwarven PCs had zero options.

 

[The Elder King]

I really really doubt that all PCs are going to have a choice, unfortunately. Hopefully I'm wrong, but the last time Bioware had race-gated romances in their games was in Baldur's Gate, where dwarven PCs had zero options.

Not all romances will be race-gated. And dwarves are already confirmed to have access to non-dwarf romances.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

As for the preference discussion, I've only gotten deeply enough into male romances to comment.

 

Zevran definitely favored women. Almost all of his banter was about women. He basically tells you he usually goes for women. It becomes very clear that you (as a male) are more of a special case. It doesn't bother me as much as it does some, but I would rather not have the same thing (bi male that clearly prefers females) happen for a long time. It's just that this kind of stereotype tends to pop up a lot in the few bi male characters there are in media. It's fine in isolation, sometimes bisexuals do prefer one gender and that is totally fine and it doesn't mean a same sex relationship means less to them when they find someone that works. It's just that the frequency it happens in media over all with a male bisexual that largely leans towards women is heavily slanted, especially when the guy is pretty promiscuous overall. 

 

Anders didn't feel slanted towards women in a m/m relationship in DA2, to me. They handled him strangely. I think the way they handled his f/m relationship was more the problem. He should have been open about Karl either way. I think it was a mistake not to do so with both genders. In a m/m relationship he mentions Karl and he mentions his fling with Isabela. He explains that he's bi (or maybe more accurately pan) and it's very clear that he has experience with both genders. Other issues with Anders aside, I thought his sexuality was handled well on the m/m side of things.

 

Fenris wasn't a romance I completed, but from what I saw of it, I didn't think it seemed he had a preference. He hooks up with Isabela, but I don't think that's indicative of a preference for women. Fenris keeps very isolated and he only really knows your party members. The only available people he knows are basically your other three LIs. Isabela, Merrill, Anders. Who is going to work out here? I think that's down to exclusion. He is bisexual and the only available person he knows that he doesn't have a seething hatred for is a woman. That doesn't mean he prefers women. 

[Clockwork_Wings]

Have you a link? Or did you just post it?

 

http://forum.bioware...9#entry16767195

[Xilizhra]

http://forum.bioware...9#entry16767195

Good concept, though Alienage elves aren't available anymore... and I'd never play as a male PC. But if I did wind up romancing Vivienne, I'd hope for it to be a strange attraction that got the attention it deserved.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Good concept, though Alienage elves aren't available anymore... and I'd never play as a male PC. But if I did wind up romancing Vivienne, I'd hope for it to be a strange attraction that got the attention it deserved.

I didn't know about that until I wrote it. And Vivienne strikes me as someone who enjoys a bit of turmoil.  I imagine she'd be a LI because it would be in her nature to go "romance=allegiance=power."

[Maferath]

Not all romances will be race-gated. And dwarves are already confirmed to have access to non-dwarf romances.

Still doesn't mean they will have more than one option, though.

[Xilizhra]

I didn't know about that until I wrote it. And Vivienne strikes me as someone who enjoys a bit of turmoil.  I imagine she'd be a LI because it would be in her nature to go "romance=allegiance=power."

Eh. I'd rather just base everything on love.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Eh. I'd rather just base everything on love.

As would I.  But she seems the type to want to make allegiances with people of wealth and influence.  It would behoove her to keep close tabs on the head of the inquisition.

 

She also strikes me as one to favor elves, dwarves, and qunari because they're exotic.

[azarhal]

 

Wouldn't race gates cause there to be less animation since instead of having to make 8 different animations they only had to make say 4 if they cut two races from being available to the bi sexual LI?

 

Pardon me for not getting what you mean could you explain a little more to me please? I don't think much extra was added at least in terms of LIs to the game when races were added back in so I'm not sure what it is you mean.  

 

You can't just race-gate without affecting your entire pool of choices. Bioware want everyone to have "at least 2 choices" and race-gating bisexual means removing a straight and gay options at the same time. This mean, they can only race-gate once the number of choices available is already beyond 2.

 

With a 2/2/2 distribution you cannot race gate, the minimum of 2 choices is present for everyone. To add race-gate you need one more LI on top of that minimum. An extra. That new LI could be race-gated or share race-gate with another one of the same type (i.e. you use 2 LI to cover all 4 races).

[Xilizhra]

As would I.  But she seems the type to want to make allegiances with people of wealth and influence.  It would behoove her to keep close tabs on the head of the inquisition.

 

She also strikes me as one to favor elves, dwarves, and qunari because they're exotic.

So... you think love would just develop over time on her end, or something?

[Clockwork_Wings]

So... you think love would just develop over time on her end, or something?

Like it did with Morrigan, Isabella, Zevran, Fenris....