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[Grieving Natashina]

That's what I really enjoy about RPGs - having the ability to take a different fork in the road, and ending up somewhere different than a previous character whom you have created. Being able to play it a few times, and having things change because you made certain choices. Whether a town survives, or a person lives, because of the kind of person you created. Who will travel the long road of this story, and who might be romanced during the narrative.

 

 

That's cool. Dwarven, eh? The Dwarven and Vashoth options also interest me (for Inquisition), although I know too little about them to have any real inkling of how I might approach them. Maybe I'll be surprised at where the character takes me, and I always love that.

 

 

Good luck with that! I'm sure you can always a thread here and ask for advice if you're having trouble. Or ask a friend or two.

Hint taken my friend.

 

As far as dwarves go, that was the race that got me into the series.  I had a few "false starts," where I couldn't get past the origin.  My Casteless was the first one that made it to the end.  I fell in love with the dwarves and their lore much like you did with the Dalish.  Also, I'm a rather shameless Shale fangirl.  I couldn't resist the Cadash surname.  Now with race gating, I have a slim chance in Hades of getting Varric as a LI, which is a wonderful bonus (if it comes to pass.)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hint taken my friend.

 

As far as dwarves go, that was the race that got me into the series.  I had a few "false starts," where I couldn't get past the origin.  My Casteless was the first one that made it to the end.  I fell in love with the dwarves and their lore much like you did with the Dalish.  Also, I'm a rather shameless Shale fangirl.  I couldn't resist the Cadash surname.  Now with race gating, I have a slim chance in Hades of getting Varric as a LI, which is a wonderful bonus (if it comes to pass.)

Mine was City Elf. I'm still depressed we can't play as one in Inquisition. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Mine was City Elf. I'm still depressed we can't play as one in Inquisition. 

I know hun.  The exclusion of them still sucks.  <hugs>

[Xilizhra]

Yeah, she does differ from mine quite a bit on those fronts. I have to say, you seem to have a fairly good idea on who you want your Dalish and Vashoth to be.

My Vashoth, not as much, but my Dalish... she basically thinks that it's proven by now that just being elfy won't bring the Creators back, and that serious amounts of applied magic need to be brought to bear, to either find them or do something like reverse the Quickening. The problem, of course, being that the goals I have like that tend to be idiosyncratic and probably wouldn't be brought up in the game itself, which may lead to disappointment... I think I overall might be hoping for too much elf-specific dialogue overall.

[Kingthlayer]

I remember offering to teach him to read. I wasn't even paying attention to the fact that that was considered a flirt. I was like dude doesn't know how to read, I do, we're friends, I'll help him out. It was such an unlikely flirt and I was probably moving quickly through the dialog and not paying attention. 

 

Like I said, I've never played a male Hawke, but it's possible there was something and you missed it. Or not, who knows. 

 

I know with Isabela some of her flirts are actually in the middle (where the sarcastic comments usually are) and if your not paying attention you can easily flirt with her. It's the same with Aveline if I'm not mistaken.

 

So While the flirts are clearly marked, if you are going fast or not paying attention, they can easily be clicked. 

 

I think it was well before the teaching to read part, that came from giving him a gift in the second act I believe.

 

But after a quick search on youtube it seems like maybe I'm imaging this whole thing, since it's Anders that everyone complains about and not Fenris.  That or I initiated the flirt with him.  Fenris probably felt bad, I flirt with him and when he turns around and flirts back I shut him down.

[jncicesp]

Yeah, okay I think I remember what you are talking about. He does that with female Hawke as well. I guess it just wasn't as blatant as it was with Anders. It can be seen as a really awkward attempt at flirting or as a guy who has never really had a friend and is just flat out uncomfortable and as a result pretty awkward. 

yes..

 

Merrill you had to flirt with cause she wont start anything, she'll still be into you if you're at least in friendship with her.

 

Anders came onto you if he thinks you're into him being possessed

 

Fenris just makes it easy which works for him.

 

Isabella just seems so flirtable so shes weird.

 

No idea of how Sebastian works.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I know hun.  The exclusion of them still sucks.  <hugs>

Excluding me from what I want seems to be a theme for this game at this rate. 

[Xilizhra]

Excluding me from what I want seems to be a theme for this game at this rate. 

You can still have both Sera and Dorian...

[Jaulen]

Mine was City Elf. I'm still depressed we can't play as one in Inquisition. 

 

I'll third this. Most of my Wardens were City Elves....

 

Although my first Dalish elf playthrough I think has to be the closest to my heart. I got all sniffly when she had to leave the clan, since she *really* didn't want to leave and Duncan threatened to bring her to Ostagar like a sack of potatoes or some such. That whole origin totally changed how I thought I was going to play the character. Doing the US was a relief for her.

 

Looking forward to at least being able to play an elf again. 

And a Qunari.....loved the look of the Female Qunari in the videos (I seem to be the only one).

[HuldraDancer]

yes..

 

Merrill you had to flirt with cause she wont start anything, she'll still be into you if you're at least in friendship with her.

 

Anders came onto you if he thinks you're into him being possessed

 

Fenris just makes it easy which works for him.

 

Isabella just seems so flirtable so shes weird.

 

No idea of how Sebastian works.

 

He'll flirt with your sister but not you and practically runs away if you do flirt with him, some of them in my opinion is kind of funny but it does make female hawke sound only interested in sex with him.

[LobselVith8]

Hint taken my friend.

 

As far as dwarves go, that was the race that got me into the series.  I had a few "false starts," where I couldn't get past the origin.  My Casteless was the first one that made it to the end.  I fell in love with the dwarves and their lore much like you did with the Dalish.  Also, I'm a rather shameless Shale fangirl.  I couldn't resist the Cadash surname.  Now with race gating, I have a slim chance in Hades of getting Varric as a LI, which is a wonderful bonus (if it comes to pass.)

 

I'm known for my subtlety. 

 

I always found the Dwarven Origins a lot of fun, especially playing as a noble - ordering the assassination of a fool who dared to disagree with you, a Proving in your honor, flirting with two women at once, a man fainting at your greatness, and challenging a man to a duel. And you might have a fair chance - Varric does say that he likes dwarven women, after all.

 

My favorite was actually Surana, however; at the time, I was in the mood to try out a mage, and I had a lengthy run as an elven assassin in the Dark Brotherhood, so I wanted to try something different. Later on, once I chose it as my canon Origin and had a few runs, I imagined he grew up in the Denerim Alienage, and that his mother fought in the Orlesian occupation as a Night Elf. During my first run, he romanced Morrigan, and I was surprised to hear CB's voice (I didn't know anything about Dragon Age at the time); I knew her from Farscape. History repeated during my apostate run with Merrill, who I recognized from Torchwood.

 

Do you think your Cadash dwarf will be from the surface? I suppose that might explain how the protagonist ends up getting caught up in the cataclysm. I wonder if the dialogue will be similar to Varric, using dwarven and Andrastian slang and dialogue intermittently.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You can still have both Sera and Dorian...

Who said I was talking about them? Those two are the last two on a list at this point of the things I've wanted but the game decided no. 

[Grieving Natashina]

 

 

Do you think your Cadash dwarf will be from the surface? I suppose that might explain how the protagonist ends up getting caught up in the cataclysm. I wonder if the dialogue will be similar to Varric, using dwarven and Andrastian slang and dialogue intermittently.

Last I heard (this was awhile ago,) the Cadash Quizzy is a surface dwarf.  As far as the slang goes, I hope we can decide whether or not to say, "By the Ancestors" as another choice to an Andraste version.  I remember that thread you did months ago, on that very topic.

 

Onto this topic: One of the several reasons why I still hope for a Varric romance is because I could see two surface dwarves bonding.  I'd love to have a little bit of race-specific dialogue with him (or in general outside of romance.)  It would add to my immersion I think.

[Xilizhra]

Who said I was talking about them? Those two are the last two on a list at this point of the things I've wanted but the game decided no. 

Aside from city elves, what else?

[Maria Caliban]

You can still have both Sera and Dorian...

But not *at the same time.*

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I played my sarcastic rogue Hawke really flirty as a first playthrough and then I felt bad, because most people seemed to get kind of upset with you if you didn't go through with the relationship. Like, Isabela seemed kind of pissy and said something about seeing how the button down girls of high town work for me, or something. I wished there was an option to just tell her I was a huge gay tease, but I guess it's kind of a specific issue. 

 

Then on my next run I only flirted with Anders, because I didn't want anyone to get mad at me again. lol

[Clockwork_Wings]

I am rarely able to roleplay a PC.  I end up gaming the system, maxing out approval at all opportunities even if I have to tell one companion one thing and another something different.  Sometimes I get "feelings" off them, though, such as some of my male dwarf commoners being naive, my male dwarf nobles being jerks, my female dwarf noble being pragmatic and female commoner just trying to make it through the day.  My last female Dalish I did romanced Alistair, but when she showed Loghain mercy, he left her.  It left her hard and cold and married to her work.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Aside from city elves, what else?

No City Elves

No Nevarra

No compromise option between Mages and Templars(not for sure yet but the interview made it sound like a 'Choose A or B' situation)

etc.

etc.

No Sera for my Male Elf

No Dorian for my Female Qunari. 

 

There's more, some big and some nitpicks, but I don't want to derail too much. 

[Clockwork_Wings]

He'll flirt with your sister but not you and practically runs away if you do flirt with him, some of them in my opinion is kind of funny but it does make female hawke sound only interested in sex with him.

I had issue with that, too.  I thought a "green" Hawke would be less...Isabella-like, but I think it's the same for all options.  I thought it seemed kind of out of character for the kind of Hawke that would enter into a chaste life as a chantry sister for him.

 

She was also a mage, so that's even weirder. 

 

And I had the same issue with romancing Garrus.  The romance itself is so sweet and free of emotional baggage, I found it off-putting that it opens up as, "Wanna blow off steam?" "Sure."

[jncicesp]

He'll flirt with your sister but not you and practically runs away if you do flirt with him, some of them in my opinion is kind of funny but it does make female hawke sound only interested in sex with him.

.....hehe

maybe he is actually asexual and they just over did it.

[LobselVith8]

My Vashoth, not as much, but my Dalish... she basically thinks that it's proven by now that just being elfy won't bring the Creators back, and that serious amounts of applied magic need to be brought to bear, to either find them or do something like reverse the Quickening. The problem, of course, being that the goals I have like that tend to be idiosyncratic and probably wouldn't be brought up in the game itself, which may lead to disappointment... I think I overall might be hoping for too much elf-specific dialogue overall.

 

Well, not much is really known about the Vashoth, since we have mainly encountered Qunari and Tal-Vashoth so far. I've wondered of being atheist is an option, since the player won't follow the Qun (at first, anyway). This might be a blind dive into Vashoth culture, since we really don't know too much; given how a woman of the Vashoth can be a warrior, rogue, or mage, I'm guessing it's much more liberated than Qunari society.

 

You should have some interesting romance options, regardless of whom you pick as your first Inquisitor.

 

As for the Dalish, I can see where you're coming from. I'm hoping an elven perspective (as well as a Vashoth and dwarven perspective for those racial options) is brought up; it wouldn't make much sense to dilute the unique cultural perspectives of these backgrounds since the appeal of different racial backgrounds is playing as someone from a rich background. A dwarven protagonist might be invested in helping Ferelden if the human armies are aiding the dwarven troops against the darkspawn in the Deep Roads, and could see the Inquisition as an opportunity to essentially establish their own 'House' on the surface, while a Vashoth might face discrimination because people confuse her with a Qunari, and there might be some culture shock in how a Vashoth reacts to certain human customs (especially if the player attends Vivienne's party).

 

Elven lore does interest me, and I sincerely hope it's not dismissed in favor of focusing on the human-centric Andrastian viewpoints. There wouldn't be much point to Vashoth or Dwarven runs if they aren't permitted their own outlook on things, much less as a Dalish elf. I'm looking to play as a different character from my pragmatic, atheist Surana Warden, and my mage rebel Champion. The Creators are said to be trapped in the Eternal City, so I think that alone might be my headcanon explanation for accepting Cole into the group, given the traditional Dalish aversion towards dealing with spirits.

[Kisari]

.....hehe

maybe he is actually asexual and they just over did it.

As much as I would love an asexual romance, I really don't count Sebastian. He was chaste by choice because of religion. There is a pretty big difference. And when you flirt with him he says he needs to go "pray... a lot". In his short story released he was out with women constantly and "rebeling". I mean... I really do not count it, I thought everything with him was kind of a mess. I guess one could interpret it like that though.

[LobselVith8]

But not *at the same time.*

 

So this isn't Kaboom, then.

[HuldraDancer]

I had issue with that, too.  I thought a "green" Hawke would be less...Isabella-like, but I think it's the same for all options.  I thought it seemed kind of out of character for the kind of Hawke that would enter into a chaste life as a chantry sister for him.

 

She was also a mage, so that's even weirder. 

 

And I had the same issue with romancing Garrus.  The romance itself is so sweet and free of emotional baggage, I found it off-putting that it opens up as, "Wanna blow off steam?" "Sure."

Agreed it was weird and I felt like poor Sebastian should have put a restraining order out on Hawke and Bethany for it (though he seemed to enjoy it slightly more from Bethany). Just an odd way to go about trying to romance him by constantly trying to get him in bed with you despite him telling you no. 

 

Yeah it was a little weird, though to me not as weird and Bethany and Hawke both more or less acting like they saw Sebastian as a hunky sex object yeah he's got pretty eyes and a wonderful voice but come on.

 

Agreed with that as well liked the romance between the two but it was odd it started off as a nearly literal 'lets bang okay?'

 

Edit: Now I know what that reminds me of! FemShep getting creepy with Jacob only with Hawke you had to press the flirt button and she didn't sound like that automaticly! How did I not see it sooner?

[Clockwork_Wings]

Well, not much is really known about the Vashoth, since we have mainly encountered Qunari and Tal-Vashoth so far. I've wondered of being atheist is an option, since the player won't follow the Qun (at first, anyway). This might be a blind dive into Vashoth culture, since we really don't know too much; given how a woman of the Vashoth can be a warrior, rogue, or mage, I'm guessing it's much more liberated than Qunari society.

 

You should have some interesting romance options, regardless of whom you pick as your first Inquisitor.

 

As for the Dalish, I can see where you're coming from. I'm hoping an elven perspective (as well as a Vashoth and dwarven perspective for those racial options) is brought up; it wouldn't make much sense to dilute the unique cultural perspectives of these backgrounds since the appeal of different racial backgrounds is playing as someone from a rich background. A dwarven protagonist might be invested in helping Ferelden if the human armies are aiding the dwarven troops against the darkspawn in the Deep Roads, and could see the Inquisition as an opportunity to essentially establish their own 'House' on the surface, while a Vashoth might face discrimination because people confuse her with a Qunari, and there might be some culture shock in how a Vashoth reacts to certain human customs (especially if the player attends Vivienne's party).

 

Elven lore does interest me, and I sincerely hope it's not dismissed in favor of focusing on the human-centric Andrastian viewpoints. There wouldn't be much point to Vashoth or Dwarven runs if they aren't permitted their own outlook on things, much less as a Dalish elf. I'm looking to play as a different character from my pragmatic, atheist Surana Warden, and my mage rebel Champion. The Creators are said to be trapped in the Eternal City, so I think that alone might be my headcanon explanation for accepting Cole into the group, given the traditional Dalish aversion towards dealing with spirits.

It's stuff like this that makes me disappointed we're not playing a practicing qunari.  We could have been a tallis, sent to solve the issue of the veil tears, and then one thing leads to another...

 

Tallis means "to solve."

 

I imagine the vashoth mostly keep to themselves.  The ones who abandoned the qun have a vested interest in not letting the qunari find them.  The vashoth probably are like any other bas to a qunari, but would be raised with stories about why letting a qunari get near their tal-vashoth parents would be a bad idea.

 

In some cases they might have assimilated into the nearby cultures, like my script on the qunari mage thread for a hypothetical saarabas raised by the Lake Calenhad chantry.