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[Maria Caliban]

Who says you won't be spending time with your advisors ?

No one.

I'm attempting to figure out if you don't understand the conversation or if you just want to disagree and can't be bothered to come up with an actual reason I'm incorrect.

In Exile is asking whether *length of time spent together* matters. I am saying it does and giving an example of when *length of time spent together* mattered.

I talked with non-Qyzen companions in TOR. I got their affection up and did their quests. Then I forgot about them while remembering Qyzen because I spent almost a hundred hours with him. He didn't have more conversation, I couldn't understand his ambient banter (he literally grunts to communicate), and his plot was no better than anyone else's.

But because I spent a lot of time with him, I grew attached and remembered who he was.

If I spend 80 hours running around with Cassandra and 15 hours with Cullen, Cassandra is going to make a bigger impression on me. Even if the only difference is seeing her model running with mine (and that won't be the only difference.)

That means, to answer In Exile's question, length of time spent together matters.

Now, you might say that it doesn't matter *to you* and that's fine, but In Exile was wondering how it matters to *anyone.*

[Vapaa]

I'm attempting to figure out if you don't understand the conversation or if you just want to disagree and can't be bothered to come up with an actual reason I'm incorrect.

 

The former, I misunderstood your post about TOR, sorry.

[GVulture]

There's every reason unless  we can bring advisors on every quest(which i'll then be confused as to why they are called advisors not companions)

Well, in the original trailer (the one that was just voice over) showed Leliana walking up to you in a camp. Not sure if it was part of her "adviser" quest, but I think it would be cool if the advisers got to travel with you and chill at those base camps with you before you set out exploring.

 

Also, they have said that there are several instances where you ONLY get to deal with the advisers. So, it sounds like they're making up in content for the advisers to make up for not putting them in the party full time.

[Fizzie Panda]

I think so too - I mean, look at Leliana's role in the trailers from E3. She is defiantly in some precarious situations that seem to rival the bigger romances in their past games (Anders, Morrigan, Alistair, and Isabella). Which makes me hope Cullen and Scribbles will get into equally interesting spots. 

Now that you mention it, I think I saw Cullen outside of the Skyhold Keep, like in a forest, with Morrigan in that trailer.

[azarhal]

I don't think LI are based on "demand" in the DA series, that's mostly because we don't have a lots of returning companions (1 per game to be exact) and every existing character in the previous games probably have a "I want to bang that" twitter/tumblr post somewhere which makes it hard to evaluate "demand" to start with.

 

The dev also said that they can't predict who is going to be popular and who wont before the game is released. Even the current fan threads are not indicative of the "after release" fan threads are going to be.  For example, Blackwall seems to be the less popular companion right now, but he could end up more popular than all the rest once the game is released for all we know.

[BubbleDncr]

Now that you mention it, I think I saw Cullen outside of the Skyhold Keep, like in a forest, with Morrigan in that trailer.

 

Yea, in the lion helm. And then there was the twitter post saying we'll see him in armor a lot. And add in the fact that he's probably going through some lyrium withdrawl, and I think it's likely his storyline is plenty dramatic, especially as a romance. 

 

But yea, would still be a bit of a bummer not to drag him everywhere with me. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Yea, in the lion helm. And then there was the twitter post saying we'll see him in armor a lot. And add in the fact that he's probably going through some lyrium withdrawl, and I think it's likely his storyline is plenty dramatic, especially as a romance. 

 

But yea, would still be a bit of a bummer not to drag him everywhere with me. 

I keep reading this, but I have to ask: Did Cullen leave the Templars at some point after DA2 and I wasn't aware of it?  The templars split into two groups: those that remained loyal to the Chantry (like I suspect with Cullen) and those that didn't (now known as the Red Templars.)  It's not like the entire Templar order became Red Templars, and not all left the Chantry. 

 

While I'm sure the lyrium trade is a little disrupted, I seriously don't think that it's dried up that severely.  If anything, now more than ever I could see the Divine making sure Her templars got the lyrium that they will need for their powers.  

 

Forgive the nickpick, but the baseless theory about Cullen "going through lyrium withdrawls" drives me up the wall. 

 

On topic: While I think that BioWare could very well surprise me, I found it sadly easy in the ME games and in DA2 (where you can learn more about Cullen) to just ignore the NPCs unless they directly got my attention.  Unless they did something remarkable with these characters (which isn't that unlikely,) even advisers-part-time-party-members will be likely to get accidentally ignored by me.  So as a result, I have serious doubts that I'll personally find adviser romances nearly as satisifying as companion romances.  I'm hoping BW proves me wrong.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah I don't see why Leliana an agent of the Divine, or Cassandra a seeker of the Chantry wouldn't be able to scourge up some Lyrium so one of the Inquisition's pillar's didn't go insane.

[Iakus]

Plus I'm sure Varric knows a guy who knows a guy...

[Grieving Natashina]

Yeah I don't see why Leliana an agent of the Divine, or Cassandra a seeker of the Chantry wouldn't be able to scourge up some Lyrium so one of the Inquisition's pillar's didn't go insane.

Plus, while I'm not a huge Cullen fan, I don't want to have a story helping a LI through lyrium withdrawls.  I'm not saying I'm totally against the idea for a future game, but I don't want to go through it with Cullen.   I have a feeling the writers already have a lot of curveballs planned for his friendship/romance arc that isn't gong to need a rehab subplot.  

 

 

Plus I'm sure Varric knows a guy who knows a guy...

Exactly.  Also, we saw Cullen with Morrigan in the demo, who's the court mage in Orlais.  I'm sure that Cullen and any other of the loyal templars have been getting the tools they need to keep their abilities up.

[Ryzaki]

 

Plus, while I'm not a huge Cullen fan, I don't want to have a story helping a LI through lyrium withdrawls.  I'm not saying I'm totally against the idea for a future game, but I don't want to go through it with Cullen.   I have a feeling the writers already have a lot of curveballs planned for his romance arc that isn't gong to need a rehab subplot.  

 

Yep. My PC for once wants the LI to be his/her therapist instead of the other way around. XD

 

hmm...a villian LI that comforted the PC and encouraged him/her to speak to them about their problems. The more I think about it the more I want D:

[Zellya]

On topic: While I think that BioWare could very well surprise me, I found it sadly easy in the ME games and in DA2 (where you can learn more about Cullen) to just ignore the NPCs unless they directly got my attention.  Unless they did something remarkable with these characters (which isn't that unlikely,) even advisers-part-time-party-members will be likely to get accidentally ignored by me.  So as a result, I have serious doubts that I'll personally find adviser romances nearly as satisifying as companion romances.  I'm hoping BW proves me wrong.

 

To be fair, part of the problem with non-companion NPCs in Bioware games is that you don't generally get to interact with them as deeply as the companions, which can sometimes make them fell less developed as characters. With companions you'll usually get to touch on different aspects of the character and your relationship with him or her as the game progresses. And, I mean, personality and background will play into if a character gets ignored or fawned over whether they're a companion or not. In my first playthrough of DA:O I had a hard time picking up on the subtleties of Sten's personality and couldn't advance his conversations so I started to forget he was even in my party. Oghren I STILL sometimes forget about on playthoughs until I get to Orzammar (I love Steve Blum, and Oghren is amusing in the moment, but he is a pretty stereotypical dwarf). As for non-companions who felt strong to me... Joker and EDI (even before she was a companion) from Mass Effect. They were NPCs, but you got to talk to them almost as much as your squad companions. If Joker had ever been chosen as a LI, I doubt anyone would have felt like it was cheaper than the companion romances.

 

I think my point is, that so long as they let you develop your relationships with the advisers the same way they let you develop the relationships with companions in camp or castle, or what have you, and don't keep them completely isolated from the plot/cutscenes (which I thought was partially the problem with Traynor and a little bit for Steve in ME3 ), I don't think there will be a problem. The latter of those I highly doubt will even become an issue based on what I'd expect an adviser's role to be.

 

P.S. I really shouldn't post replies when I'm tired, it makes my writing is even more confusing than usual >.>

[UmbraMage82]

So does anyone think that they will provide non human romances for male non human inquisitors since the remaining female companions are human?
A running thing with dragon age it seem. Excluding Merrill of course.

[Maria Caliban]

I think the available ladies will be humans, though you never know. They could have an elven Anora like NPC you can romance and marry for political reasons.

A male elf can only get the aid of the clan if they're willing to marry into it, or something.

[Vapaa]

I keep reading this, but I have to ask: Did Cullen leave the Templars at some point after DA2 and I wasn't aware of it?  The templars split into two groups: those that remained loyal to the Chantry (like I suspect with Cullen) and those that didn't (now known as the Red Templars.)  It's not like the entire Templar order became Red Templars, and not all left the Chantry. 

 

Don't forget that Lambert denounced the Nevarran accord and cut the Templars and Seekers from the Chantry.

[CuriousArtemis]

Forgive the nickpick, but the baseless theory about Cullen "going through lyrium withdrawls" drives me up the wall. 

 

To be fair, all theories are baseless at the present moment

 

People enjoy speculating about characters, especially returning characters. A character like Cullen has quite a lot of variables in terms of where he'll be when DAI comes out:

 

1. Still a templar, perhaps with the rebels

2. Disgraced from the templars and forced to leave

3. Chose to leave on his own accord

4. And so on and so on...

 

If you want to let your imagination run wild with 2, 3, or 4, then lyrium withdrawal enters into the picture.

[Grieving Natashina]

Don't forget that Lambert denounced the Nevarran accord and cut the Templars and Seekers from the Chantry.

I didn't take that seriously in the least, especially by that part of the story.  Seeker Lambert isn't the-end-all-be-all, and even the Divine disagreed with him.  She's more than capable of going "screw him," and doing what she wants anyhow, regardless of his status as a seeker or not.  Plus, he's been MIA since the end of Asunder, so I doubt he has any power at the moment.  Also, before she was Divine, she was a Master of the Game and I'm very certain that she would have the connections to keep her loyal templars supplied with the lyrium they need.

 

Remember, not all the templars agreed with Lambert.  He can declare whatever he likes, there is still some templars that are loyal to the Chantry.  Based on footage of Cullen and Morrigan (he's been confirmed to be the one in the lion mask,) I'd say he's still with the Chantry.

 

Finally, I think a "rehab plot" would just drag the story to a halt.  This is my first real chance to get to know Cullen, and I don't want to spend much of the time with him in a weepy and confused state.  It would just remind me of FFIX after Dagger's nervous breakdown: "Command failed!  Dagger can't concentrate."  I'm fine with getting to know my companions and advisers, and even playing therapist sometimes.  I just draw the line at "rehab councilor" for Cullen's character.  It's a story idea that I think would be nice in another DA game down the road, but I think it wouldn't make any sense for that to happen to Cullen.

 

 

@Curious I know, but it seems like folks almost want to have Cullen into a withdrawing mess.  I've read other ideas about the return of Cullen, Cass and Varric, but they seemed more grounded than a rehab storyline for Cullen.

[Vapaa]

I didn't take that seriously in the least, especially by that part of the story.  Seeker Lambert isn't the-end-all-be-all, and even the Divine disagreed with him.  She's more than capable of going "screw him," and doing what she wants anyhow, regardless of his status as a seeker or not.  Plus, he's been MIA since the end of Asunder, so I doubt he has any power at the moment.  Also, before she was Divine, she was a Master of the Game and I'm very certain that she would have the connections to keep her loyal templars supplied with the lyrium they need.

 

Remember, not all the templars agreed with Lambert.  He can declare whatever he likes, there is still some templars that are loyal to the Chantry.  Based on footage of Cullen and Morrigan (he's been confirmed to be the one in the lion mask,) I'd say he's still with the Chantry.

 

Without the Templars and Seekers, the Divine is powerless, it says in the Cassandra profile that the Seekers cut themselves from the Cha,ntry while she remainded loyal to the Divine.

 

Lambert the Lord Seeker, Templars in Asunder obeyed him, even going as far as to attack the mages during their assembly.

[Grieving Natashina]

Without the Templars and Seekers, the Divine is powerless, it says in the Cassandra profile that the Seekers cut themselves from the Cha,ntry while she remainded loyal to the Divine.

 

Lambert the Lord Seeker, Templars in Asunder obeyed him, even going as far as to attack the mages during their assembly.

I also still state that not all of the templars are unloyal to the Divine.  The Seekers cut themselves off, but as you said, some have remained loyal to the Divine.

 

He might as well be Lord Seeker of the Holy Underwear for all I cared about him. I didn't and couldn't take him seriously throughout most of the book.  He reminded me too much of Eric Cartman screaming, "Respect my authorita!"  I spent the whole time thinking, "You are just a power hungry, rotten human being that is taking what could be a good and just ideal, and skewing it in the name of personal gain.  You selfish megalomaniac.  If Cole didn't take you out, then I will." 

 

Those templars in the White Spire obeyed him sure, but I refuse to believe that every templar in Thedas joined him.  This schism probably has several of them going, "Oh screw you Lambert," and sticking with the Divine.  To me, there is no Chantry without the Divine, but that's just personal perception.  

 

So again, I don't think Cullen is going to a former templar on the edge of a drug induced nervous breakdown.  I'm betting he stuck with the Divine and like I said before, she will have black market contacts even if every single Chantry building is taken over by/has sided with the Red Templars.  Plus, a rehab story would make for a crappy romance subplot imho.

 

Edit: After re-reading that, I realized that my words came off as stronger towards the person I quoted than intended.  Sorry Vapaa.  This is why I need to stay away from mage/templar/Lambert talk.  I get all feisty about it.  

[rapscallioness]

Where did this whole lyrium withdrawal Cullen thing come from? Isn't he still a Templar? There was no indication that he gave up on lyrium unless I missed something as usual...

idk. i really, really would not want rehab cullen story arc. plz, no.

 

but really besides that, i mean, we got a bunch a mages--maybe even including the pc--that are gonna be chugging back lyrium potions themselves. sooo, i don;t think that's gonna be an issue. we're obviously gonna have lyrium. whether cullen is templar or not.

[Yinello]

It is said that the Chantry used Lyrium to keep the Templars addicted and in their control. It could be that Cullen either never took it or he had his rehab ages ago - plenty of time has passed of course. There's no actual evidence that Templars need Lyrium to use their abilities, even Alistair doubted this (and he was definitely not addicted) and he is able to use them just fine.

 

/slinks back into lurker shadows

[Grieving Natashina]

It is said that the Chantry used Lyrium to keep the Templars addicted and in their control. It could be that Cullen either never took it or he had his rehab ages ago - plenty of time has passed of course. There's no actual evidence that Templars need Lyrium to use their abilities, even Alistair doubted this (and he was definitely not addicted) and he is able to use them just fine.

 

/slinks back into lurker shadows

Actually, we have Word of God stating that Templars need to maintain their lyrium habit in order to keep their abilities:

 

http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html

 

TUK: The Templar abilities, are they--despite the Chantry's protestations--a form of magic?

 

DG: I would say that they are magic, they derive from lyrium, which is magic. The tricky thing there is that the Chantry is awfully hypocritical when it comes to magic, in that there are sorts of magic that they will use. Actually I should take that back, it's not necessarily that they're hypocritical, they don't have anything against magic itself. Magic can be useful, they know the mages are useful. It's the elements of possession and blood magic, all the forbidden magic where things get really dicey. Even if Templar magic was recognized as spellcasting, it's not innate to the Templars, if they just stopped taking lyrium eventually they would lose the ability. Although as Alistair proves, they can use the ability for a long time afterwards. I think part of that was just the requirements of gameplay, for us to have a specialization as well, so some of that story doesn't quite match up with the gameplay, and I think eventually we'd like to work the lyrium requirement back into the gameplay as well.

 

 

[SurelyForth]

So we either have Cullen addicted to lyrium, with all that drama hanging over any sort of "bittersweet ever after" Gaider et al. lets us eke out, or he's going through withdrawl in the game and...*sigh* 

[Grieving Natashina]

So we either have Cullen addicted to lyrium, with all that drama hanging over any sort of "bittersweet ever after" Gaider et al. lets us eke out, or he's going through withdrawl in the game and...*sigh* 

If Cullen is addicted to lyrium, then that really wouldn't make him any different from most (sane) templars.  It's only when you factor in a possible withdrawl story arc is how the drama could set in.  He can take the lyrium, so long as the game doesn't make a huge deal out of it.  I also know that plenty of players, though not all (whether they love or hate Cullen) probably wouldn't like having deal with a rehab plot.  In real life, it isn't romantic or beautiful.  It's harsh, ugly, and painful in so many ways and extremely tricky to write.  I can appreciate the nuances of such a story, and I'm not dismissing the idea entirely.  I'd just rather not see it with that character.  

 

And never ever as a subplot for romance content.  If it was apart of the friendship content (i.e it comes up no matter what,) I'd be slightly more open to the idea.   Still, as a part of a romance?  Nope, I'll pass.