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[Tootles FTW]

...dude (dudette?), his character development mission is a reckless, bloodly roaring rampage of revenge complete with torture and outright murder unless Shepard gets in the way. Literally.

 

That is not being even-tempered and rational.

 

Dudette.  Lets not be overly dramatic here, if Garrus's loyalty mission was a "reckless, bloody roaring rampage of revenge" than ALL of the companion quests were.  Criminals - emphasis here - betrayed & killed his entire squad/all of his friends.  Harkin is a piece of sh!t, Sidonis is a piece of sh!t.  That being said, Garrus went a bit off the rails - I agree - but the fact remains that it was not without reason & these were not nice people.  If you intervene he later expresses thanks for stepping in and pulling him back from the edge.  This is not an irrational, raging individual.  This is someone who was pushed to extremes & let it get to him.  Once.  On that one single mission.  Literally, that one time.

 

The guy is happy-go-lucky most of the time & is the #1 source of jokes on the Normandy besides Mordin or Joker.  He is NOT maladjusted.  He is not brooding.

[Ryzaki]

I liked the Garrus romance because when it came down to it, he would do anything for Shep. +He doesn't complain ALL THE TIME like Anders and Fenris (haven't romanced him).

 

To be fair Fenris complaints stop...but that's in act 3 so probably too little too late for most people.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Garrus in ME becomes Batman, is torn up with guilt about the loss of his squad, gets part of his face blown off, and his personal quest is about murdering the man who betrayed him.

That's not well-adjusted.

Maybe, but he didn't bring it into the romance. 

 

If he were in DA2, every romance line would have included a mention about how someone like Lady Shepherd couldn't possibly love a man who can't keep control of his squad, invites betrayal, has such extensive scars, and she must be out of her senses for doing do. 

 

Sometimes the companion who needs to be shown that the PC loves them anyway is a lot of fun, but there's too much of a good thing.

[Maria Caliban]

Compared to Anders and Fenris, Garrus is pretty much perfect.

Compared to Anders and Fenris, almost any BioWare romance is pretty much perfect. Jack is less messed up than Anders.

[javeart]

Was Jacob really that stable? Because it seemed to me like he and Miranda were having a daddy issue competition. lol   

 

Well, I kind of remember a "romance" conversation where he is all the time saying he's fine and is Shepard who goes on and on "come on, you need to talk about it". I kind of remember too that he seemed angry but well, he could be angry at Shepard, and even if I thought he was an *** I think it might would have  been justified . I don't know if I'm protraying it right, maybe I made it worse in my head over time   It really left me with a bad taste, anyway

[Fizzie Panda]

To be fair Fenris complaints stop...but that's in act 3 so probably too little too late for most people.

Hmm, maybe I'll give him a try then! But seriously Anders is like a vending machine full of complaints

[Dean_the_Young]

Dudette.  Lets not be overly dramatic here, if Garrus's loyalty mission was a "reckless, bloody roaring rampage of revenge" than ALL of the companion quests were.  Criminals - emphasis here - betrayed & killed his entire squad/all of his friends.  Harkin is a piece of sh!t, Sidonis is a piece of sh!t.  That being said, Garrus went a bit off the rails - I agree - but the fact remains that it was not without reason & these were not nice people.  If you intervene he later expresses thanks for stepping in and pulling him back from the edge.  This is not an irrational, raging individual.  This is someone who was pushed to extremes & let it get to him.  Once.  On that one single mission.  Literally, that one time.

 

Maybe I'm the weird one here for living in a western country, but where I'm from being a victim of gang violence (that you yourself instigate) isn't an excuse for a gang massacre (that you yourself instigate in retaliation for the retaliation). Being a murdering vigilante is being a murderer, no matter whether the people you kill are criminals or pieces of **** or not. There's a word for people who go around justifying torturing and killing other people because they feel their victims deserve it, and that word is 'crazy.'

 

 

 

The guy is happy-go-lucky most of the time & is the #1 source of jokes on the Normandy besides Mordin or Joker.  He is NOT maladjusted.  He is not brooding.

 

No, he's really kind of fucked up. And he's definitely brooding until the resolution of his character arc.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I would take Anders over Garrus every time, but I don't mind drama. 

 

Not that I hate Garrus, I like his character as a "bro" type. Same with Varric, honestly. I just have zero romantic interest in them, but they're cool.

[Maria Caliban]

Leliana? If you asked?

If the Warden asked. She doesn't yowl and rub her ass against just anybody.

[PCThug]

I never romanced Jacob but I feel the need to defend his "cheating." Shepard's not with him for very long before she turns herself into the Alliance. She doesn't know how long she'll be in custody (I think she'd been there for six months at the start of ME3) and I guess expects him to...what? Wait for her return indefinitely? Does he even know if they'll ever cross paths again? Instead he finds a cause and a group of people he can fight for and falls in love with someone else. True, he's the only love interest who cheats on Shepard but I think the whole situation is more complex than "Jacob is a ****head who cheats."

[javeart]

I would take Anders over Garrus every time, but I don't mind drama. 

 

Not that I hate Garrus, I like his character as a "bro" type. Same with Varric, honestly. I just have zero romantic interest in them, but they're cool.

 

I'd also take Fenris over Garrus but despite the drama

[Tootles FTW]

Maybe I'm the weird one here for living in a western country, but where I'm from being a victim of gang violence (that you yourself instigate) isn't an excuse for a gang massacre (that you yourself instigate in retaliation for the retaliation). Being a murdering vigilante is being a murderer, no matter whether the people you kill are criminals or pieces of **** or not. There's a word for people who go around justifying torturing and killing other people because they feel their victims deserve it, and that word is 'crazy.'

 

 

No, he's really kind of fucked up. And he's definitely brooding until the resolution of his character arc.

 

Sorry, but I think you're hyperbolizing the situation and unfairly making real-life analogies - especially considering the protagonist of the game in question is currently working for/with a terrorist organization (Hello, Miranda! Hi, Jacob!).  And "justifying torturing and killing other people" is insinuating that this refers to Garrus?

We are going to have to disagree as I don't want to start a dissertation here. 

 

 

EDIT - though I am curious what you consider a "well adjusted" love interest?  A bowl of pudding?

[Dean_the_Young]

Maybe, but he didn't bring it into the romance. 

 

If he were in DA2, every romance line would have included a mention about how someone like Lady Shepherd couldn't possibly love a man who can't keep control of his squad, invites betrayal, has such extensive scars, and she must be out of her senses for doing do. 

 

Sometimes the companion who needs to be shown that the PC loves them anyway is a lot of fun, but there's too much of a good thing.

 

I slanted heavily renegade during ME, and I always wanted the chance to chew out Garrus for dropping the ball. Garrus basically abandons all the mentorship of ME1 and undergoes character reversion to being Shepard's sidekick, and my 'concrete tough love' Shepard probably would have rubbed Garrus's face in the fact that it never would have happened had Garrus stuck with being a spectre or tried to do anything about the Reapers rather than go play Turian Batman on Omega.

 

Of course, this is the same mindset that notices that not one Turian protests or bemoans the sudden loss of Garrus puts-generals-at-ease-to-show-how-important-he-is Vakarian from the incredibly vital and important front of Palaven's moon, and makes conclusions accordingly.

 

Then again, maybe the Turians knew better than to expect Garrus to hold down a job for a year. That kid needs employment counseling.

[Larask]

Compared to Anders and Fenris, almost any BioWare romance is pretty much perfect. Jack is less messed up than Anders.

"Jack is less messed up than Anders" --> That's the quote of the day for me. lmao never thought about it but it is true

[daveliam]

Not that I hate Garrus, I like his character as a "bro" type. Same with Varric, honestly. I just have zero romantic interest in them, but they're cool.

 

This is how I think I'm going to feel about Solas.  I want to nothing more than to sit in the Keep's library with him and have him regale me with his stories for hours on end.  I really think that he is shaping up to be one of my favorite characters.  That being said, I have no interest in romancing him. 

[jtav]

Mostly I'm tired of being treated horribly or feeling like I have to babysit the LI.

[Eveangaline]

....I now would be totally fine with solas as a LI. (but I still also want IB)

[Dean_the_Young]

Sorry, but I think you're hyperbolizing the situation and unfairly making real-life analogies - especially considering the protagonist of the game in question is currently working for/with a terrorist organization (Hello, Miranda! Hi, Jacob!).  And "justifying torturing and killing other people" is insinuating that this refers to Garrus?

We are going to have to disagree as I don't want to start a dissertation here. 

 

 

It's my opinion that you just tried to justify torture and killing people? I'm pretty sure you did just that, like, two posts ago.

 

If you're expecting me to defend Shepard or Miranda or Jacob's life decisions, well you'll be waiting awhile. But then, I've always thought the Shepard character was pretty much wasted after ME1. The entire trilogy could have used an entirely new protagonist each game and lost pretty much nothing.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'd also take Fenris over Garrus but despite the drama

I couldn't deal with Fenris because aggressive personalities put me off. Anders was more whiny than aggressive when he complained about the mages, but his one on one dialogue was usually a lot softer. Fenris just snarled everything and it was a huge buzz-kill for me. So, for me, Anders worked out better.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I slanted heavily renegade during ME, and I always wanted the chance to chew out Garrus for dropping the ball. Garrus basically abandons all the mentorship of ME1 and undergoes character reversion to being Shepard's sidekick, and my 'concrete tough love' Shepard probably would have rubbed Garrus's face in the fact that it never would have happened had Garrus stuck with being a spectre or tried to do anything about the Reapers rather than go play Turian Batman on Omega.

 

Of course, this is the same mindset that notices that not one Turian protests or bemoans the sudden loss of Garrus puts-generals-at-ease-to-show-how-important-he-is Vakarian from the incredibly vital and important front of Palaven's moon, and makes conclusions accordingly.

 

Then again, maybe the Turians knew better than to expect Garrus to hold down a job for a year. That kid needs employment counseling.

There's many ways to see ME or DA characters.  It's what I like about them.

[Dean_the_Young]

If the Warden asked. She doesn't yowl and rub her ass against just anybody.

True, true.

 

Zevran, perhaps?

[Tootles FTW]

It's my opinion that you just tried to justify torture and killing people? I'm pretty sure you did just that, like, two posts ago.

 

If you're expecting me to defend Shepard or Miranda or Jacob's life decisions, well you'll be waiting awhile. But then, I've always thought the Shepard character was pretty much wasted after ME1. The entire trilogy could have used an entirely new protagonist each game and lost pretty much nothing.

 

I didn't justify anything, my Shepard stopped Garrus from shooting Harkin and killing Sidonis.  I'm saying that I can understand what he was doing and why.  I can understand where Leliana was coming from and why she wanted to kill Marjolaine.  I can understand where Mordin was coming from and why he wanted to shoot Maleon.  I can understand where Fenris was coming from and why he wanted to fist his sister (harhar).  Revenge is a concept I can understand because I am a human being with feels.  And these all were not good, innocent people.  Our protagonists and the characters we cheer for have done the same if not more.  This is a story and I can wrap my mind around good people being pushed to bad things?

 

Garrus does not wangst about his drama any more than the others.  If you disagree than you disagree?  Personally, if we get a DAI romance anywhere close to Garrus I will cheer.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

This is how I think I'm going to feel about Solas.  I want to nothing more than to sit in the Keep's library with him and have him regale me with his stories for hours on end.  I really think that he is shaping up to be one of my favorite characters.  That being said, I have no interest in romancing him. 

Well, with Varric and Garrus, it's not just a physical thing, for me. Not sure if that's what you meant with Solas. I mean, it happens that I also don't find them overly attractive. I don't know what to make of Garrus physically. It's hard to say what I would think of him with another personality, because he's so.. well, alien. It's just their personality isn't attractive, to me. It's pleasant and I enjoy their company, but there's no passion or chemistry the way I recognize it. They interact like people I feel like I've been friends with for ages. I totally understand that some people like that in a romance, but it doesn't work for me.

[Tootles FTW]

Well, with Varric and Garrus, it's not just a physical thing, for me. Not sure if that's what you meant with Solas. I mean, it happens that I also don't find them overly attractive. I don't know what to make of Garrus physically. It's hard to say what I would think of him with another personality, because he's so.. well, alien. It's just their personality isn't attractive, to me. It's pleasant and I enjoy their company, but there's no passion or chemistry the way I recognize it. They interact like people I feel like I've been friends with for ages. I totally understand that some people like that in a romance, but it doesn't work for me.

 

It's very weird - I don't find anyone but Dorian particularly attractive (speaking for the males) but I'm super excited about ALL of them.  All of their bios are speaking to me.

[javeart]

I couldn't deal with Fenris because aggressive personalities put me off. Anders was more whiny than aggressive when he complained about the mages, but his one on one dialogue was usually a lot softer. Fenris just snarled everything and it was a huge buzz-kill for me. So, for me, Anders worked out better.

 

Fenris is really full of anger, no doubt, and yes, I think in rel life I'd probably find him a little bit scary... But in videogames I'm incredibly tolerant: agressive personalities, unrepentant assassins, terrorists... I'm ok with everything, apparently  ... (btw, I encourage Garrus to kill Sidonis even if I usually lean a lot toward paragon choices  )

 

But the important thing for me, the reasonswhy I take Fenris over Garrus, it's just I think it's better written (my personal opinion, of course), with or without drama, and even if I'd rather have no drama at all

 

 

Well, with Varric and Garrus, it's not just a physical thing, for me. Not sure if that's what you meant with Solas. I mean, it happens that I also don't find them overly attractive. I don't know what to make of Garrus physically. It's hard to say what I would think of him with another personality, because he's so.. well, alien. It's just their personality isn't attractive, to me. It's pleasant and I enjoy their company, but there's no passion or chemistry the way I recognize it. They interact like people I feel like I've been friends with for ages. I totally understand that some people like that in a romance, but it doesn't work for me.

it's probably my second favourite romance in ME (I don't like much ME romances, to be honest), but I also find that romance way too "passion-less" to my tastes