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[Nocte ad Mortem]

Honestly, at this point I kind of wonder if IB will be the only one race gated and I wonder if it's just because they had trouble working with his giant character model.  

[Ryzaki]

Yes it is. Some people would actually be very happy were Bioware to start making dating sims. The original conversation was about increasing romance content at the expense of other aspects of the game, I just took it to it's eventual conclusion.

 

BW would make meh dating sims. There's not that much romance content when you break it down compared to the rest of the game. (Yeah I know the irony of that statement with a Hakuoki avatar but even Hijakata's route has more romance content than alot of BW's romances). [I wouldn't say less than Chikage because dude only has 7 chapters and four of those are the common route.]

[SnakeCode]

Who would be very happy? Let's have 6 examples of posters here who said that. 

 

If someone said "I want more crafting" it doesn't mean they want Bioware to ship then lego blocks. 

If you think i'm going to give names then you're sorely mistaken. It's rude to talk about individual posters.

[SnakeCode]

How is that absurd outcome the eventual conclusion?

Well, if you keep adding romance content at the expense of everything else. Eventually you are going to end up with nothing but romance content.

[Eveangaline]

This ties back into the romances being optional content. If they affected the main plot in any way, shape or form, then this wouldn't be as big of a deal.

With these games being on a budget, using more funds to concentrate on one aspect of the game is always going to remove funds that could be used on other aspects. Why pour more money into adding more content for an optional part of the game when that money could be used to add more content for everyone or make the parts that everyone is going to play better?

I too can't believe they out in 20 freaking dragon fights. It's a rediculous waste of resources that pulls from the actual game. I hear they even may have side quests. What is even the point of any quest that isn't required to win the game?

Thank you for agreeing with me.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I don't think the romance subplots are even remotely important to the vast majority of gamers. They are just sort of there, and people play them out, becaue wy not? But I really don't think that the silent majority cares at all about them. It is simply not why they buy the game.

[Xilizhra]

Yes it is. Some people would actually be very happy were Bioware to start making dating sims. The original conversation was about increasing romance content at the expense of other aspects of the game, I just took it to it's eventual conclusion.

Reductio ad absurdum, I fear.

[AresKeith]

Ah fair enough. I kind of get it. It does seem to permate the forum pretty hard but usually if you want to discuss something else...that's all you have to do.

 

Though you can't deny that compared to romance threads they have pretty low page numbers

[Clockwork_Wings]

I don't think the romance subplots are even remotely important to the vast majority of gamers. They are just sort of there, and people play them out, becaue wy not? But I really don't think that the silent majority cares at all about them. It is simply not why they buy the game.

In most games?  Not important.  If tomorrow they announced they removed the romances, I'd be very sad and feel like something was missing.

 

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But I'd still buy it.

[Ryzaki]

I don't think the romance subplots are even remotely important to the vast majority of gamers. They are just sort of there, and people play them out, becaue wy not? But I really don't think that the silent majority cares at all about them. It is simply not why they buy the game.

 

They're a nice side quest but yeah.

 

But there are people that buy BW's games for the romances, others for the companions, some buy them for the ability to craft their own PC, so on. Heck I think there's a few that buy it for the combat (I can't fathom why because there's plenty of games that do combat MUCH better than BW games but there you have it).

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I really doubt it matters what anyone on this board thinks the majority of people want in Bioware games. They have a whole department devoted to gathering that kind of information and deciding how to dole out the budget. I doubt our offhand guesses are better than theirs.  

[EmperorSahlertz]

In most games?  Not important.  If tomorrow they announced they removed the romances, I'd be very sad and feel like something was missing.

 

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But I'd still buy it.

Well.. Technically you aren't part of the silent majority, since you are vocal here on the forums. So you can care all you want about the romances. 

[Ryzaki]

Though you can't deny that compared to romance threads they have pretty low page numbers

 

I don't. Romance threads have a ridculous page rate and do feel like they're everywhere at times.

 

Then I make a geth/quarian thread and realize ridiculous page rate is not a good thing
 

[EmperorSahlertz]

I don't. Romance threads have a ridculous page rate and do feel like they're everywhere at times.

 

Then I make a geth/quarian thread and realize ridiculous page rate is not a good thing
 

Well, if you look carefully, you can also see that it is often the same ~50 posters who fill out the threads, with the odd newcomer for added variety.

[Ryzaki]

Well, if you look carefully, you can also see that it is often the same ~50 posters who fill out the threads, with the odd newcomer for added variety.

 

True but that's pretty much the case for every thread no matter the topic around here. (Unless you were saying that in which case sorry XD)

[In Exile]

We must be frequenting different forums then, because 8/10 threads I read through tend to be dominated by romance discussion.

 

I just looked at the Scuttlebutt forum. There are 3/30 threads about romance on the first page. There are 4/30 threads about romance on the first page. That's 7/60 threads, or about 10.5% of the threads being about romance, and that's using really loose standard. If 8/10 threads you are are about romance, that can only be because you are intentionally clicking on romance content. 

[In Exile]

If you think i'm going to give names then you're sorely mistaken. It's rude to talk about individual posters.

 

That's because you're making it up. I've never run across anyone request that DA be turned into a dating sim, or seen a thread requesting it. So right now you're in the "I totally saw a unicorn" level of credibility. 

[Ryzaki]

I don't know about the majority of gamers but I do think that the companion interactions and romance are what sets BioWare apart from other game developers. Games like skyrim are fun but I only played it twice I've played dragon age origins 12 to 14 times DA2 10 times and each of the Mass Effect games 6 times each.

 

To be honest though BW's games are mostly good to me because of the character interaction. I'll miss the romances if they take them out but that's not the main reason I play BW games.

[mrjack]

You do realize the game didn't give you a warning you were killing an LI don't you? I mean I have a feeling that's somehow going over your head. M/F, F/F, and MM all had LIs that would be available REGARDLESS of who you said Shep saved at virmire. F/M did not. They didn't have to go without no. But realizing 10+ hours later that you killed your only love interest isn't helpful. Everyone did not know who the romance options were. The human male is a good guess yes but no the average player doesn't automatically know Kaidan's the only LI they'll get in the game and they should save him over Ashley unless they want to be single.

Nothing is going over my head. Kindly stop addressing me as if I were some brainless child. My first post was in response to someone who said that over half of the players were new to the series and didn't have an import. I simply said that all new players had a romance option available. I also said that women had far more possible romance options over the series than gay men. Both of these statements are true. Regarding the last game, you think straight women got a raw deal. Compared to straight men, I agree. But you still had two options to explore in however many playthroughs you wanted; the same number as gay men. Both of yours were companions; one of ours was an NPC. You're saying that potentially painting yourself into a corner (a completely avoidable situation - googling takes seconds) where you have zero options is somehow means that gay guys got the better end of the deal? I could maybe, MAYBE agree the situations were equal if I ignored the Thane romance content and the Vega flirting and the fact that being able to continue an already established relationship made it more in depth but I cannot agree that gay guys had it better... or ignore the fact that we have always been at the bottom of the heap. Yes, we've sometimes had company but that's where we've always been without fail so far.

[Hellion Rex]

There are 3/30 threads about romance on the first page. There are 4/30 threads about romance on the first page.

Huh?

[In Exile]

Huh?

 

I wasn't sure how to explain it better, but I mean when you view the forum hub, and there are hundreds of threads, but you only see the x most recent (for me it's 30)? 

[Ryzaki]

Nothing is going over my head. Kindly stop addressing me as if I were some brainless child. My first post was in response to someone who said that over half of the players were new to the series and didn't have an import. I simply said that all new players had a romance option available. I also said that women had far more possible romance options over the series than gay men. Both of these statements are true. Regarding the last game, you think straight women got a raw deal. Compared to straight men, I agree. But you still had to options to explore in however many playthroughs you wanted; the same number as gay men. Both of yours were companions; one of ours was an NPC. You're saying that potentially painting yourself into a corner (a completely avoidable situation - googling takes seconds) where you have zero options is somehow means that gay guys got the better end of the deal? I could maybe, MAYBE agree the situations were equal if I ignored the Thane romance content and the Vega flirting and the fact that being able to continue an already established relationship made it more in depth but I cannot agree that gay guys had it better... or the fact that we have always been at the bottom of the heap. Yes, we've sometimes had company but that's where we've always been without fail so far.

 

Then it'd be great if you would stop acting as though I'm speaking of the people who frequent these forums. Alot (the majority was an assumption of me my bad) of people were not aware of who all the romances are. As for googling again how many of that 50% of new players do you think googled romances? Also once again I did not say they got the better end of the deal. I simply said that yes a m/f Shepard could end up with zero options and that's true. A m/m Shepard would always have Cortez. What is so hard to understand about that? If a f/m player chose to save Ashley over Kaidan she would end up with zero options to chose from. That's a choice made in the first few minutes of the game!

 

Oh yes Vega flirting. Cause that counts as a romance now? Also Thane was a ME2 romance. Again I'm talking about people new to ME3. And no I never said gay players were never at the bottom. I'm just saying trying to go "well FemShep really couldn't end up with zero options." really? M/M, M/F or F/F could not get completely locked out of romance content starting a new ME3 game by 1 choice at the beginning of the game that gave no forewarning. That's all I'm saying. I get it you guys had it worse. That doesn't mean it didn't suck for other people.

[SnakeCode]

I just looked at the Scuttlebutt forum. There are 3/30 threads about romance on the first page. There are 4/30 threads about romance on the first page. That's 7/60 threads, or about 10.5% of the threads being about romance, and that's using really loose standard. If 8/10 threads you are are about romance, that can only be because you are intentionally clicking on romance content. 

Threads don't have to be specifically about romance to be dominated by romance discussion. Every character discussion thread, for example has extended periods where nothing but romancing that character is discussed.

 

That's because you're making it up. I've never run across anyone request that DA be turned into a dating sim, or seen a thread requesting it. So right now you're in the "I totally saw a unicorn" level of credibility. 

Now you're just being rude. I never even said people were requesting that DA be changed into a dating sim. Could you kindly stop putting words into my mouth?