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[Nocte ad Mortem]

If Solas isn't available as an LI, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not asexual/aromantic, honestly. If he's not an LI it really might be because he's just not into relationships. He seems like he could reasonably be just about his work.    

[Former_Fiend]

She has a very sturdy "emergency induction port," which breaks the laws of physics around her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Learned something new today, other than I need more than one cup of coffee.

 

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Oh, man, I could have used that .gif last week in the Cole thread.

[Mukora]

Minor nitpick: While Cole might be considered asexual, I doubt that Solas and Blackwall are.  There is a huge difference between no LI status and their sexuality.  If you're curious about real asexuality, there is some nice folks on the forums that would gladly talk to you (as long as you remained polite, of course.) Blackwall, for example, could be straight just not available to the player.

They could be, though.

 

I'd be kinda disappointed if Solas is asexual, purely because he hits too close to the asexual "type" a lot of media tends to shill out. I'd be totally cool with Blackwall being asexual, though. It'd be kinda neat, an asexual warrior (who isn't just celibate or abstinent) isn't something you see very often. It'd be doubly awesome if he's a romance option.

[Chernaya]

That is a very sturdy beverage to not even jiggle a little when she bangs her head on the table. And yet is loose enough to be drunk from a straw. What is this magical liquid?

I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING! xD I was staring at it and like... waitaminute... ahaha, anime for ya. 

 

But yeah, that's just my insta-reaction to that topic now. 

[90s Luke]

Cassandra just loves getting rough with her shield. 

[Mukora]

I really doubt we're gonna be able to romance Cullen with a Qunari, somehow.

See, I have this theory that only the bisexual romances are going to be racegated, to cut down on the number of animations (straight and gay LIs are already cut in half)

[Xerxes52]

That is a very sturdy beverage to not even jiggle a little when she bangs her head on the table. And yet is loose enough to be drunk from a straw. What is this magical liquid?

It's either a mint milkshake or a glass of radioactive waste.

On-Topic:

My Opinion:

Straight: Cullen
Straight: Vivienne (Nobody without fashion sense)

Bi: Iron Bull (No Dwarves?)
Bi: Cassandra
Bi: Scribbles
Bi: Solas (No Qunari?)

Gay: Dorian
Gay: Sera

[Who Knows]

I think it's kind of bad if the only racegating is for male love interests.

[Grieving Natashina]

I think it's kind of bad if the only racegating is for male love interests.

Considering that several have guessed that there will be little-to-no racing gating for the female characters, I think you'll be fine.   I don't think they'd make all the bi/straight female LIs race gated.  

 

Personally, I'd be hurt if the only bisexual LIs were the NPCs, but that's just me.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'll be sad if I can't romance Dorian with both a human and an elf, but at least those are the relatively safe races. (I think.)    

[Grieving Natashina]

I'll be sad if I can't romance Dorian with both a human and an elf, but at least those are the relatively safe races. (I think.)    

I think so too, since they have roughly the same size and skeletal build.

[BubbleDncr]

I think it's kind of bad if the only racegating is for male love interests.

 

Well there are more male companions than female ones, so it kind of makes sense. 

[ahellbornlady]

It's just, David implied race gating would only happen if it makes sense to the story. Which, with Cullen being a devout Andrastian, would definitely make sense. He's called both Qunari and Dwarves heathens before, which is a very hateful word. It's not unthinkable to think unless he's lost his faith, he wouldn't be particularly interested in romancing either of them. Especially Qunari after what happened in Kirkwall.

[Tamyn]

My hopes for romance:

 

http://kittanee.devi...Solas-465041705

[BubbleDncr]

If Solas isn't available as an LI, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not asexual/aromantic, honestly. If he's not an LI it really might be because he's just not into relationships. He seems like he could reasonably be just about his work.    

 

I'd like to think that Solas being a love interest may revolve partly around discovering what he's missed by not being around people very much. 

 

But then again I also just really want him to be a LI so I'm just talking myself into stuff right now. 

[Who Knows]

Considering that several have guessed that there will be little-to-no racing gating for the female characters, I think you'll be fine.   I don't think they'd make all the bi/straight female LIs race gated.  

I think you misunderstood. The overall count of male love interests in Bioware games is less than the female love interests, and even more so in terms of those available for male player characters. So I think racegating only one or more male love interests but not female love interests is annoying.

 

Like when they made Jacob cheat and Thane die. They would never pull that with the female love interests for male player characters. So putting that additional barrier of race only on male love interests would irk me.

[UmbraMage82]

Yes, I'm going to play that card, because it's applicable. Elves are used as a cipher for oppressed cultures in the real world(dalish are analogues for the roma, city elves for jews). Their situation is meant to reflect that of real world ethnic groups who've been treated as something other than and less than human throughout history.

Saying interracial relationships between elves and humans is "wrong" is no different than saying interracial relationships in real life is wrong.

We're going in circles now. I'll say what I have to say and walk away.
There is nothing wrong with two HUMANS of different ethnics being together. (Hell I'm black and I love japanese women.) The reason two HUMANS of different races is perfectly natural is because they are both HUMANS.
Elves and humans are different SPECIES. A SPECIES that humans have abused to near endangerment. In Thedas, not the real world were only humans are intelligent sentient beings, elf/human relationships just leaves a bad taste in my mouth (especially between a male human and a female elf). That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'd like to think that Solas being a love interest may revolve partly around discovering what he's missed by not being around people very much. 

 

But then again I also just really want him to be a LI so I'm just talking myself into stuff right now. 

I think that will likely be his arc, if he is an LI. I could see his friendship arc being basically the same idea.  

[GameBoyish]

Newest LI guesses, race availability in parenthesis:

 

Solas--Straight 

Vivenne--Straight

 

Varric--Straight (dwarves only)

Dagna--Straight (dwarves only)

 

Iron Bull-Bi (humans, elves and qunari)

Cass-Bi (humans, elves, dwarf)

 

Cullen-Bi 

Scribbles-Bi 

 

Sera--Lesbian 

Dorian--Gay 

 

Cole--just no

Wait... Dagna is set to return??? 

[Grieving Natashina]

Wait... Dagna is set to return??? 

Based on an old screenshot from PAX or E3 last year, the words "Artificer* Dagna" was clearly shown.  I don't have the link handy.

 

_{*Holy crap I spelled that word right my first try.}

[pallascedar]

Given the speculation about Dagna as a potential LI, it's not out of the realm of possibility. Maybe there is a female elven NPC in the Dalish camp. Perhaps Ariane (who might have Morrigan's "gift" if the Warden-Commander left with her), or someone new.

 

The speculation is based off of one sentence in a preview. I really would avoid getting my hopes up.

[Grieving Natashina]

Found the screenshot:

 

 

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That's the video where it came from.

[GameBoyish]

We're going in circles now. I'll say what I have to say and walk away.
There is nothing wrong with two HUMANS of different ethnics being together. (Hell I'm black and I love japanese women.) The reason two HUMANS of different races is perfectly natural is because they are both HUMANS.
Elves and humans are different SPECIES. A SPECIES that humans have abused to near endangerment. In Thedas, not the real world were only humans are intelligent sentient beings, elf/human relationships just leaves a bad taste in my mouth (especially between a male human and a female elf). That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Uhm, hello, half-elves exist in the DA universe.

 

Learn to pay attention to the lore. (see Interspecies sub-topic)

 

Besides, if Mass Effect can allow for romances between NON-HUMANOID and humans, why won't DA:I allow two humanoid species together? (dwarves, qunari & elves are actually humanoid)

 

If it was a romance between a humanoid and a Mabari or a Nug, those are non-consenting species and I would understand the "ickiness".

 

But this is a freaking high fantasy setting, consenting humanoid species should be allowed to love each other.

[Grieving Natashina]

Uhm, hello, half-elves exist in the DA universe.

 

 

Kitty, to be fair, there is no half elves in Thedas.  Elf-blooded doesn't equal half elf in this world.

 

While it's true that humans and elves fall in love, all children from such pairings are always human according to WoG.  No one is sure why, and the devs have remained silent on that front.   That's part of the reason why the Dalish avoid humans; it isn't just due to their beliefs behind "the quickening."  It's because all children born from an elf and human pairing are human.  A few similarities in features (like with Fenyriel there) isn't the same as a half-elf.

[GameBoyish]

Kitty, to be fair, there is no half elves in Thedas.  Elf-blooded doesn't equal half elf in this world.

 

While it's true that humans and elves fall in love, all children from such pairings are always human according to WoG.  No one is sure why, and the devs have remained silent on that front.   That's part of the reason why the Dalish avoid humans; it isn't just due to their beliefs behind "the quickening."  It's because all children born from an elf and human pairing are human.  A few similarities in features (like with Fenyriel there) isn't the same as a half-elf.

First of all, my name isn't Kitty. I'm not the demon in the village of Honnleath, thanks.

 

All I am saying is that interspecies romance isn't exactly "wrong" in the DA universe.

 

Quote from the wikia below:-

]Interspecies relationships are possible, but frequently frowned upon by most societies. The fertility rate between two parents of different race are very low compared to that of the same race. In particular, elves are bound only to produce elven children with their own kind because their offspring with a human would be Elf-blooded, appearing physically human. Similarly this also happens with dwarves. Subsequently elves mating with humans is considered traitorous by the rest of their kind and any elf who conceives a child with a human risks expulsion from their community.

 

A child between a dwarf and a human is a half-dwarf, which would be taller than dwarves but shorter than humans. Such children are extremely rare, as dwarves are comparatively few in number and those living underground are reclusive to outsiders; mating with other species would bring great shame to the dwarf as well as their family. In addition, the dwarven fertility rate is very low due to the close proximity to the darkspawn taint for many generations.

 

Nobody in Thedas has any idea what a qunari half-breed might look like, since the Tamassrans prohibit interspecies mating among qunari and there is no evidence of interbreeding between Tal-Vashoth and other races.

 

Original Source: http://forum.bioware...races/?p=574687

 

Direct quote from David Gaider himself:-

Without getting into the "why" behind the elves-and-humans-produce-humans thing (which I've talked about before), I will talk about why we didn't deal with it in the game. Primarily it's because we didn't have room. There's a lot of things that exist in the Thedas world that we weren't able to get into in Origins -- part of it is due to limited resources, but part of it is also because to properly address it we'd need to do it justice. We were already introducing the races and their situations, and adding on the complexity of explaining something that does need explanation would... get us what, exactly? You can't play one of the "elf-blooded" (this is what humans with mixed parentage are generally referred to, though I imagine "half-elf" could also be used in a slanderous fashion), and trying to explain the presence of a small number of humans in the alienage (as a for-instance) would have diluted the story we were already going for. Trying to fit everything that exists into the world in one story, after all, isn't really feasible.

 

I'd like to get into it. I think it's a possibility that has the potential for good drama, and even allowing the player to be elf-blooded might be cool in the future. But like I said, I'd want to do it justice. If your view on it is that you wanted half-elves to be there, and their omission is a fault -- then so be it. I can't really argue with that except to say that we don't think they're required. As some people have mentioned, it's not a widespread thing. Many elves resist having human children for cultural reasons, and many elf-blooded children will live amongst humans as full humans simply because they can get away with it and hiding their heritage means not having to suffer for it -- from humans as well as elves. Some few might be public about their identity, and unwilling to leave their parents behind, but like I said that belongs in another story.
 

Incidentally, for half-dwarves the situation is a bit different. Dwarves aren't a very fertile race to begin with, and far less so when it comes to mating with humans and elves. In fact, it would be considered rare... rare enough that it's considered more of an oddity than a group of its own. The result is also less stigmatized... primarily because it's also less noticeable. You end up with what would appear to be a tall dwarf or a short human. That calls for a new model -- which we weren't going to get, even if we wanted to address such a rare case. Again, it's certainly something we could do in the future, though such a character would still be considered unusual.
 

I imagine for those who really like their half-elves that's not a very satisfactory answer, but I hope it offers some light on the why's and wherefore's. 

 

So basically, "shunned" or "uncommon" doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong or impossible. It's like when you're gay in my country, you can literally go to jail for a long time.