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[Who Knows]

Don't see how speculation = Dagna might be an LI

[Vapaa]

Don't see how speculation = Dagna might be an LI

 

It's just wishful thinking.

[Grieving Natashina]

It's just wishful thinking.

Yep, just like with IB, Varric, Vivi and the rest that haven't been confirmed/denied.  

 

It is the romance thread after all.

[GameBoyish]

Yep, just like with IB, Varric, Vivi and the rest that haven't been confirmed/denied.  

 

It is the romance thread after all.

We're just hoping the race-gating would be balanced at the very least.

[Vapaa]

Yep, just like with IB, Varric, Vivi and the rest that haven't been confirmed/denied.  

 

It is the romance thread after all.

 

At least IB speculation is based on something.

 

But Dagna ? Come on

 

We're just hoping the race-gating would be balanced at the very least.

 

I won't be balanced, it will just provide options.

[Grieving Natashina]

At least IB speculation is based on something.

 

But Dagna ? Come on

 

Again, why not?  She'd be about 29 by now according to the devs.  

 

Plus, four words: Female Dwarven Love Interest.  A first for BioWare, which I think would be awesome.  

 

Do I think it's going to happen?  Not really, but it's fun to speculate about.

[Vapaa]

Again, why not?  She'd be about 29 by now according to the devs. 

 

Because advisor romance likely only exist because advisors seems to be elevated on the same level of presence as companions, ...Dagna is an agent, with far less screen time, so I don't see it happening, and even so, it would just be a fling.

 

Plus, four words: Female Dwarven Love Interest.  A first for BioWare, which I think would be awesome. 

 

Four lovely words, but four unlikely words.

[GameBoyish]

Again, why not?  She'd be about 29 by now according to the devs.  

 

Plus, four words: Female Dwarven Love Interest.  A first for BioWare, which I think would be awesome.  

 

Do I think it's going to happen?  Not really, but it's fun to speculate about.

[Grieving Natashina]

Because advisor romance likely only exist because advisors seems to be elevated on the same level of presence as companions, ...Dagna is an agent, with far less screen time, so I don't see it happening, and even so, it would just be a fling.

 

 

Four lovely words, but four unlikely words.

Like I said, I don't think it's going to happen.  She might be just an agent, she could have a bigger role.  Who knows?   I'm having fun just speculating, that's all.  I stand by my wish-list.  

[GameBoyish]

Like I said, I don't think it's going to happen.  She might be just an agent, she could have a bigger role.  Who knows?   I'm having fun just speculating, that's all.  I stand by my wish-list.  

I don't understand why people feel the need to prove that we're wrong. This is the romance thread, goddamnit.

[Vapaa]

I don't understand why people feel the need to prove that we're wrong.

 

I didn't.

[Former_Fiend]

We're going in circles now. I'll say what I have to say and walk away.
There is nothing wrong with two HUMANS of different ethnics being together. (Hell I'm black and I love japanese women.) The reason two HUMANS of different races is perfectly natural is because they are both HUMANS.
Elves and humans are different SPECIES. A SPECIES that humans have abused to near endangerment. In Thedas, not the real world were only humans are intelligent sentient beings, elf/human relationships just leaves a bad taste in my mouth (especially between a male human and a female elf). That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

 

In so many ways this is the same argument(albeit from a more... sympathetic? Maybe, I don't know) point of view, that an uncle of mine used when he disowned his daughter for marrying a black man. Far as he was concerned, blacks and whites are separate species and any mixing between them was wrong. 

 

The problem with this point of view is that you're marginalizing both the human and the elf in the hypothetical here when you say that them being together is wrong. They've become just an elf and just a human. Doesn't matter if that individual human never abused an elf in their life or that individual elf ever suffered any abuse at the hands of humans; one's whole race is abusers so they're now an abuser, and one's whole race has been victimized, so they're now victims. It's ignoring that they're individuals who, despite being separate species(insofar as such categorization can be applied to any fantasy setting), who are both capable of feeling the same full range of emotion, including lusting after whoever they want and loving whoever they want.

 

It's also a point that when you take a fictional setting, be it Dragon Age or Elder Scrolls or any given D&D setting or whatever, that uses these fantasy races as analogues for real world cultures and use those analogues to highlight how racism and xenophobia are bad and to show that despite our differences(relatively minor in the real world compared to those between fantasy races) we can come together and achieve great things, but then turn around and say "but interracial relations between them are wrong", well, that's kind of a screwed up message, in my mind. 

 

Oh well. You're entitled to your opinion; it is what it is. It just happens to be an opinion that I vehemently disagree with.

[daveliam]

We're just hoping the race-gating would be balanced at the very least.

 

I'm pretty sure that Gaider has already confirmed that the race-gating won't be balanced and that some race/gender/sexuality combinations will have more options than others.  I tend to think that it won't be horribly unbalanced (a la ME), but I would use that information in my speculation and assume that it won't be an even distribution.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm pretty sure that Gaider has already confirmed that the race-gating won't be balanced and that some race/gender/sexuality combinations will have more options than others. I tend to think that it won't be horribly unbalanced (a la ME), but I would use that information in my speculation and assume that it won't be an even distribution.

It's kinda scaring me into playing a male human, because LIKE HELL I will be blocked from Dorian during my first run through.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think there's a decent chance they'll tell us the romance information before release day. I was always going to play a human the first time, anyway, though. I usually do.    

[Maria Caliban]

I seriously doubt the gay LIs will be race gated.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't know how extensive the gating is, but I'm not really sure the gay LIs will get special treatment from it. I would say either it's just the bi LIs, or the gay LIs are as likely to be gated as the straight LIs.   

[Maria Caliban]

Because race gating is mostly about allocating resources. Gay characters already will not be having romance scenes with half the possible PCs.

[Deviija]

I also really doubt Sera and Dorian will be race-gated.  

[Grieving Natashina]

I also really doubt Sera and Dorian will be race-gated.  

Yep, same here.

[SnakeCode]

DG said that romances aren't something to be dispersed fairly and equaly like candy. So I do think that certain race/gender/orientation  combinations will have a larger choice of LIs than others. I think the 2/2/2 or 2/4/2 split we keep talking about is nothing more than wishful thinking.

 

 

What he actually said in the original romance discussion-

 

"Yes. There is no guarantee that a particular gender/race combination will have as many romantic prospects as another.

 

And that's fine. Romance options are not candy to be dispensed fairly and evenly, and if there's a particular character that you've decided before the game is released that you must romance, it's advisable you play a different PC. The most we can do (and have done) is ensure that there's no overall slanting towards a particular group-- it's all over the map, for various reasons."

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The question is really if only bi options will be race gated. Because both straight and gay LIs require the same amount of scenes without gating.  

[Xilizhra]

DG said that romances aren't something to be dispersed fairly and equaly like candy. So I do think that certain race/gender/orientation  combinations will have a larger choice of LIs than others. I think the 2/2/2 or 2/4/2 split we keep talking about is nothing more than wishful thinking.

 

 

What he actually said in the original romance discussion-

 

"Yes. There is no guarantee that a particular gender/race combination will have as many romantic prospects as another.

 

And that's fine. Romance options are not candy to be dispensed fairly and evenly, and if there's a particular character that you've decided before the game is released that you must romance, it's advisable you play a different PC. The most we can do (and have done) is ensure that there's no overall slanting towards a particular group-- it's all over the map, for various reasons."

Thus, the lack of slanting would mean that sexual orientation options, at the very least, will be balanced.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

How I'm reading David Gaider's comments, which I also read at the time they were posted, is that there will be an equal number of LIs for each gender and sexual orientation, but you might get less depending on what race you pick and different genders/sexual orientations will likely not have the same deficit per race. Meaning, male/gay/qunari might be gated for less options, while female/gay/qunari is fine, but female/gay/dwarf takes the hit. (Just an example.) Hence, "all over the map", meaning everyone has equal options overall and nobody gets a loss in one specific way regarding races. It's just spread around.

 

That's how I'm reading it, but I could be wrong. 

[Xilizhra]

How I'm reading David Gaider's comments, which I also read at the time they were posted, is that there will be an equal number of LIs for each gender and sexual orientation, but you might get less depending on what race you pick and different genders/sexual orientations will likely not have the same deficit per race. Meaning, male/gay/qunari might be gated for less options, while female/gay/qunari is fine, but female/gay/dwarf takes the hit. (Just an example.) Hence, "all over the map", meaning everyone has equal options overall and nobody gets a loss in one specific way regarding races. It's just spread around.

 

That's how I'm reading it, but I could be wrong. 

Quite frankly, I think it'd have been a better idea to make fewer romances with fewer gates, unless we can ensure that no one has fewer than two options.