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[Nocte ad Mortem]

I seriously doubt straight guys will get only 1 female option. That seems a little paranoid to me. There are only 3 female companions and one is gay, so I'm just going with the idea that all three of them are romanceable, but now it's just figuring out if Viv or Cassandra is the bi option, but either way dudes will get 2 choices at least, and women will get two choices.

Well, a lot of people are still assuming 2/2/2. Not everyone has come to the conclusion that numbers are likely up to 2/4/2. I'm leaning towards a higher count than 2/2/2 now, but even in this thread a lot of people are still basing guesses on 2/2/2.  

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Then you've managed to stay away from both of the "Cass is bi?" threads.  I've seen a lot of "straight male posters" not even mention Vivienne, unless it was to call her ugly in some fashion.

I've posted in both of those threads and I've seen more guys than not saying they'd be alright with Vivienne, but many people still assume it's going to be 2/2/2 with NPCs, so they're not bringing up Vivienne. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I've posted in both of those threads and I've seen more guys than not saying they'd be alright with Vivienne, but many people still assume it's going to be 2/2/2 with NPCs, so they're not bringing up Vivienne. 

Then my question is: Why leave out Vivienne all together?  

[Deviija]

Right. The toxic mentality of hyper masculinity directed at young men in society (don't cry, don't be weak, etc) is because of sexism against women and the idea that as a man, being seen as female is the worst possible thing ever. Just wish more people would realize that. 

 

Indeed, I am always reminded of The Cement Garden quote, which also made it into a popular Madonna song, "Girls can wear jeans and cut their hair short, wear shirts and boots, because it's okay to be a boy, but for a boy to look like a girl is degrading, because you think that being a girl is degrading."  Which is an apt summary of the issue.  Sexism against women cuts both ways, and this is one of those ways.

 

 

I think you'd love this: http://imgur.com/gallery/zFwAcdB

 

 

I loved that.  Perfect.  

[Sylvianus]

It can be difficult for some to think that Vivienne might be an Li to be honest. Unlike Scribe girl we have absolutely no clue she could be an Li ( several npc romances being mentioned on twitter, we have already Cullen for girls ), and many even think that she has too high standard to be in love with the inquisitor. Cassandra is already confirmed. If there weren't that sentence about more romance and race gating, I wouldn't even count Vivienne as possible LI.

[Ailith Tycane]

It can be difficult for some to think that Vivienne will be an Li to be honest. Unlike Scribe girl we have absolutely no clue she could be an Li ( several npc romances being mentioned on twitter, we have already Cullen for girls ), and many even think that she has too high standard to be in love with the inquisitor. Cassandra is already confirmed. If there weren't that sentence about more romance, I wouldn't even count Vivienne as possible LI.

 

So you;re implying there will be one companion romance and one adviser romance for straight men and gay women? I dunno, that doesn't seem like the case to me. I figured it'd make more sense for two companion romances each but who knows. 

[SurelyForth]

Then my question is: Why leave out Vivienne all together?  

 

Because a lot of people don't even consider her a viable option (or they dismiss her as being to ambitious/awesome/mean for love, nullifying her romantic potential in a way that they would never do for Morrigan or Leliana or Sera).

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Then my question is: Why leave out Vivienne all together?  

Well, Sera and Cassandra are already confirmed, plus it's assumed Scribbles will balance out Cullen. A large amount of people are assuming it's 2/2/2, which would exclude Vivienne on a numbers game. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As of now, I see the female romance options going like this

 

Cassandra: Straight w/o race gating

Scribbles: Bi w/o race gating

Vivienne: Bi w/ race gating(Dwarf, Elf, Human only)

Sera: Gay w/o race gating

[Sylvianus]

So you;re implying there will be one companion romance and one adviser romance for straight men and gay women? I dunno, that doesn't seem like the case to me. I figured it'd make more sense for two companion romances each but who knows. 

 

I'm not thinking that myself, I'm like you.   I'm telling why some people might think that way. When I or someone else asked some of those people worrying for their options if they would agree with Vivienne being the straight option and Cassandra being bi with Scribe girl, they said they would be fine in this case. 

 

Now I don't know. But this is what i've seen myself.

[Grieving Natashina]

Well, Sera and Cassandra are already confirmed, plus it's assumed Scribbles will balance out Cullen. A large amount of people are assuming it's 2/2/2, which would exclude Vivienne on a numbers game. 

Good thing I threw out the 2/2/2 thing awhile ago then.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I never supported 2/2/2 and even suggested the 2/4/2.

But no, that was too many romances. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I never supported 2/2/2 and even suggested the 2/4/2.

But no, that was too many romances. 

Funny how times change.  

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Well, 2/2/2 made sense before race gating. Now it would be really hard to make that work.  

[Sylvianus]

Because a lot of people don't even consider her a viable option (or they dismiss her as being to ambitious/awesome/mean for love, nullifying her romantic potential in a way that they would never do for Morrigan or Leliana or Sera).

 

Well, there are people who don't want to romance Vivienne because of her personality. I can understand that. But if they complain because their straight option isn't like Tali or Leliana or Merril, or a nice girl, while they have several options... This is really ridiculous,. If you aren't fine with Vivienne, Pick cassandra or scribe girl then. 

[SnakeCode]

Why would it be a big deal? They would still have access to Cassandra and Vivienne as romances. 

 

Edit: Oh, so you figure it's a spite thing? They wanna "take" Cassandra from the gay women because the lesbians "took" Sera from them? lol

 

What a mature outlook. 

Those who live in glass houses... 

 

"If we're going by actual "fairness" then using the other Bioware games as examples it would be completely fair if every single LI in the game were a flaming homosexual and straight players got nothing (or if they got anything, it would be bisexual romances that were also available to gay players.) Of course Bioware wont do this, but if you want whats really fair then that would be it taking into account the choices gay players have had in the past. "

[Grieving Natashina]

Well, there are people who don't want to romance Vivienne because of her personality. I can understand that. But if they complain because their straight option isn't like Tali or Leliana or Merril, or a nice girl, while they have several options... This is really ridiculous,. If you aren't fine with Vivienne, Pick cassandra or scribe girl then. 

 

I like the way your mind works.  

 

[draken-heart]

I hope the romances go like this:

1. 2 heterosexual
2. 2 unrestrained bisexual
3. 2 race-gated bisexual
4. 2 homosexual or gay/lesbian (whatever you prefer).

[SnakeCode]

Tbh I haven't even seen Vivienne mentioned as being a possible LI. Personally I think she'd be a pretty awesome one.

[GameBoyish]

Which is why I think the gender gating is stupid.

 

You can't make everyone happy but you might as well shoot for making as many people happy as possible.

 

People tend to forget that Bioware make video games. It's apparently realistic to fight dragons in a fictional world, hurling lightning bolts and fireballs with your hands, but as soon as you realize the NPC's are player sexual it suddenly shifts to unrealistic... ridiculous.

 

It's easy to complain about a system until the changes to it effect you personally.

I would prefer gender gating over playersexual. RACE GATING on the other hand, not a huge fan of that, frankly. :/ Back in DAO, your race never mattered.

[azarhal]

Well, Sera and Cassandra are already confirmed, plus it's assumed Scribbles will balance out Cullen. A large amount of people are assuming it's 2/2/2, which would exclude Vivienne on a numbers game. 

 

Technically, it could be more than 2/2/2 with Vivienne not being an options as well.  There is no requirements for male and female Inquisitor to get the exactly same number of romance options has long has everyone get "at least 2 choices".

 

And DAI has twice has much male companions than female ones.

[GameBoyish]

Well, Sera and Cassandra are already confirmed, plus it's assumed Scribbles will balance out Cullen. A large amount of people are assuming it's 2/2/2, which would exclude Vivienne on a numbers game. 

I thought that it was said that due to race-gating, the 2/2/2 and 2/4/2 (aka even numbers) theory has been thrown out the window?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I thought that it was said that due to race-gating, the 2/2/2 and 2/4/2 (aka even numbers) theory has been thrown out the window?

Nothing is certain. 

[Ailith Tycane]

Those who live in glass houses... 

 

"If we're going by actual "fairness" then using the other Bioware games as examples it would be completely fair if every single LI in the game were a flaming homosexual and straight players got nothing (or if they got anything, it would be bisexual romances that were also available to gay players.) Of course Bioware wont do this, but if you want whats really fair then that would be it taking into account the choices gay players have had in the past. "

 

And I see you completely missed the part where I said that wasn't something I actually wanted and was only using it as an example to show how ridiculous the argument of it "not being fair" is coming from straight players. 

 

It's pretty dishonest and lame of you to only partially quote me like that.