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[Kingthlayer]

I would be fine with one (even my own orientation) being an advisor romance. I just think it's weird when someone says straights in general should only get advisor romances.

 

This comes from people making awful assumptions.  In Origins Cullen was presented as straight, that's straight fact.  So now people are asssuming that the other advisor HAS to be straight to make it equal, but that's not true, and there is no proof from BioWare to present that opinion as fact like they do.

 

Cullen can be straight, the other female gay, we don't know, nobody knows, people just try to present their opinion as fact.  I am of the opinion that she's at least Bi, if not full straight but that's just my opinion on the matter.

 

I am not buying into this whole equality schtick that people are harping on about, or that 2/2/2 system that others wanted.

[Vegeta 77]

If straight people get npc while others get cass and sera thats not equal cass being straight with the npc bi is equal.

[daveliam]

I really genuinely hope that when the game comes out and we actually get to know about the NPC romances (instead of this crazed speculation) that they are by far the more robust and fulfilling romances with as much, if not more, content when compared the companion romances.  Just so that all of the people who are wringing their hands and wailing about how "inferior" they "are" can be shown not to create arbitrary "fact" in their head and then base all of their comments on these presumed facts. 

[Maria Caliban]

Although, I'm extremely surprised that people make their "shopping list" so early. We don't even know the characters that much, the returning ones had years to change their perspective on things. For example, Cullen might be the knew host of Justice now...

 
That's not even funny. Not even BioWare would be that cruel.

If straight people get npc while others get cass and sera thats not equal cass being straight with the npc bi is equal.

The longer this conversation goes on, the more I hope that both Cassandra and Scribbles are bisexual.

[The Elder King]

I don't really care who will be straight/bi.
Though on this topic, we still don't know if the romances in general are equal in number between gender of sexuality (they won't for races). It Could be that there are more male LI then female LI, or that Scribbles and Cullen are straight...with Cassandra as bi and Vivienne as straight. In this case, straights will get more romances. My point is, everything is possible.
I really hope that after Scribbles' reveal they'll release The Chart.

[The Elder King]

I suggested sometimes that we'll found out the Warden being controlled by Cory and Hawke as Justice's new host. Do you think Bioware is cruel enough to do it ?

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

It sucks if some people get the short end across all games. That should improve (and looks like it is improving here). I don't know what that has to do with other gamers though. It's the industry's fault. Certainly not my fault. I don't make those games. Nor do I buy many of them.

 

Personally, I don't think I'm getting the short end here btw. I just didn't like it when someone wanted to arbritrarily bundle all straight romances as the "advisor romances". Regardless of the quality of the advisor romances, it's bullsh*t to single people out like that.2

I understand that. It would be  bit unfair I suppose  if you are the type who likes to take your L.I everywhere.  But, if the straight option was  scribbles and Cass was bi you could still take your LI places.. or did you want exclusively hetero companion ?

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

I suggested sometimes that we'll found out the Warden being controlled by Cory and Hawke as Justice's new host. Do you think Bioware is cruel enough to do it ?

I would cry because  I always kill Anders. Justice  can't attach to my Hawke!

[daveliam]

I understand that. It would be  bit unfair I suppose  if you are the type who likes to take your L.I everywhere.  But, if the straight option was  scribbles and Cass was bi you could still take your LI places.. or did you want exclusively hetero companion ?

 

Their argument is that, if lesbians get two companion romances, they "deserve" to get two companion romances.  Despite the fact that romances have never been equally distributed in any single Bioware game in the past.  Literally.  Every game has had an uneven distribution.  I can't imagine what's different this time to cause such a ruckus......?

[Maria Caliban]

I don't really care who will be straight/bi.

I'll be honest, if they had made Cassandra bisexual and Sera and Scribbles straight, I'd have been content.

ME 1 didn't bother me for my own options. I thought not giving gay men a single romance was unfair. ME 3 actually made me feel bad for straight women. I know not everyone cares for her, but I consider Liara the best romance in the series.

I've never thought having to 'share' an LI with straight male players was a bad thing. Before this discussion started, I didn't realize that having to 'share' with queer women would be a bad thing for some dudes.

Though on this topic, we still don't know if the romances in general are equal in number between gender of sexuality (they won't for races). It Could be that there are more male LI then female LI, or that Scribbles and Cullen are straight...with Cassandra as bi and Vivienne as straight. In this case, straights will get more romances. My point is, everything is possible.

I am crossing my fingers for a Vivienne romance, but it doesn't seem likely at this point.

[The Elder King]

I would cry because  I always kill Anders. Justice  can't attach to my Hawke!

Justice isn't dead though.

I'll be honest, if they had made Cassandra bisexual and Sera and Scribbles straight, I'd have been content.ME 1 didn't bother me for my own options. I thought not giving gay men a single romance was unfair. ME 3 actually made me feel bad for straight women. I know not everyone cares for her, but I consider Liara the best romance in the series.I've never thought having to 'share' an LI with straight male players was a bad thing. Before this discussion started, I didn't realize that having to 'share' with queer women would be a bad thing for some dudes.I am crossing my fingers for a Vivienne romance, but it doesn't seem likely at this point.

I don't have problems in sharing LI either.
I do think that Vivienne will be a LI. I don't know if she'll be bi though.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

I know not everyone cares for her, but I consider Liara the best romance in the series.

I am crossing my fingers for a Vivienne romance, but it doesn't seem likely at this point.

(Liara and Vivienne for the win)

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Justice isn't dead though.

Oh, I know! 

I meant he "can't " as in it would shatter me so it just can't happen!

 

English isn't my first my first language so excuse  the confusion 

[azarhal]

 
That's not even funny. Not even BioWare would be that cruel.

The longer this conversation goes on, the more I hope that both Cassandra and Scribbles are bisexual.

 

I think they are "cruel enough" to go for it if it fit into the story they want to tell.

 

And I agree with the bold part. It might even be possible. BioWare never said that we were getting male and female straight LI, just that the game had straight, bisexual and homosexual characters and that they tried to give everyone at least 2 choices. One lesbian and two bisexual female LIs (and one none-romanceable) while there is at least one straight male LI would still make those statement valid. For the simple reason that straight PC can romance bisexual LIs.

 

Not saying that this is what they did, but their "hints" doesn't exclude the possibility.

[wright1978]

Their argument is that, if lesbians get two companion romances, they "deserve" to get two companion romances.  Despite the fact that romances have never been equally distributed in any single Bioware game in the past.  Literally.  Every game has had an uneven distribution.  I can't imagine what's different this time to cause such a ruckus......?

 

It is more a case of everyone should ideally have one companion romance and one NPC. If they foist all NPC's on both straight orientations solely giving others more companion romances options that would be a deeply backwards step after DA2, which was largely equal. So yeah i'll be  making a ruckus if it occurs.

[jtav]

As a straight woman, Cullen might has well have been tailor-made for me. In the party, not in the party, doesn't matter. Once a romance meets a certain threshold of depth, I don't really care about fairness. I care about having a romance I like. I'd rather romance Sam than Kaidan, for instance.

On the other hand, some advocates of increased LGBT representation are coming across as "we suffered in the past, so you should suffer now." That's not really doing the cause any favors. Wanting the straight romances to be marginalized for once only breeds further resentment.

[SnakeCode]

We don't even know how the npc romances are going to be implemented yet, they could be great or even end up being superior to the companion romances. I think it's a bit early for anyone to write them off as being the lesser option at this point.
 
That being said, this isn't the first time this discussion has come up in this thread. Let's face it, nobody wants to be "stuck" with the npc romances. The LGBT players were just as adamant that they wanted the companion romances the last time this came up too. I find it funny that now that straight gamers are complaining about the same thing, people are all "Why? The npc romances could end up being amazing," Which leads to me thinking "Well why didn't you guys want them then?"

[Maria Caliban]

Allan mentioned that you had to have the advisers and can't kick them out.

It occurs to me that instead of tying important plots to the companions as in previous BioWare games, they might tie it to the people you can't boot out/kill this time.

On the other hand, some advocates of increased LGBT representation are coming across as "we suffered in the past, so you should suffer now." That's not really doing the cause any favors. Wanting the straight romances to be marginalized for once only breeds further resentment.

Making two females bisexual is not marginalizing straight gamers.

That's the thing. If BioWare made the female LIs two bisexuals and one straight women, I'd think that was fine.

Having two out of three seems fair to me. This is only 'suffering' and 'marginalization' if you're used to be catered to.

[Deviija]

 

Their argument is that, if lesbians get two companion romances, they "deserve" to get two companion romances.  Despite the fact that romances have never been equally distributed in any single Bioware game in the past.  Literally.  Every game has had an uneven distribution.  I can't imagine what's different this time to cause such a ruckus......?

 

Even if the advisers were straight, there would still be at least one bisexual companion LI.  For all we know, there may be two bi LI companions per gender.  This notion that it's unfair if the advisers are straight because they deserve to get two companion romances, or that straight advisers equate to discrimination, is really bewildering to me.  If all the companions were gay and lesbian, then I'd agree that it isn't a fair spread.  But a problem if advisers are straight, yet there is still a companion option (if not two) also available, is lost on me.