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Because you feel that romances get mentioned alot in the party banter
When it really doesn't
Because romance experience isn't simply a sum of romance specific dialogue. Devs had commented in past on the need to take wider content into account due to its limited nature due to optionalness.
In regards to Cullen...
IIRC, he was created as a one-off character. Sheryl never expected people to grow attached to him. There were originally no plans to bring him into DA 2, which is why he goes insane and becomes a mass murderer in one of the epilogues.
The fan reaction to him was so positive that they put him into DA 2.
When they started DA 2, Cullen was a good fit for one of the advisers. He was a Templar, in Kirkwall, could survive until the end, and because we didn't know much about him, there was lots of room for growth. After all, Cassandra brings together the advisers and the last time we see her, she's in Kirkwall.
I am sure that his popularity made him a natural selection for an LI. If people hadn't liked him, I doubt he'd have made his way into DA 2.
This is not saying that I consider him fan service, at least not any more than Varric, Leliana, or Cassandra.
This is pretty much a good post of the situation. Its not that fan reaction like Cullen's doesn't change anything, but its certainly not the only factor in the decision making process. If I remember right, one of the devs also said part of the reason Anders returned in DAII was because he was well liked by the fanbase, but he also made a lot of sense for the role he'd be returning as, especially if Velanna was supposed to originally have Ander's role.
That seems like the sort of thing best left to headcanon.
How would it work in game? Obviously your character wouldn't/shouldn't pursue the issue with Sera herself after she's shut you down. What else is there - telling the other companions how much you like her? That seems pretty creepy. I'd say Aveline's no-mance is as close as the game needs to come - you express an interest, it becomes clear she's not going to return the feelings. Any more your character feels is left to your own imagination.
I wouldnt mind something like Aveline thats really kinda what i was shooting for (i forgot about it tbh lol)
Also im pretty sure Sera would make a pretty good Wingwoman? Havveeeee you met quizzie? 
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Because you feel that romances get mentioned alot in the party banter
When it really doesn't
Why does it have to be about just banter?
Whatever happened to simply liking the idea of adventuring out with favorite characters? This is what RPGs are founded on (group based ones at least). No reason to brush it off, like someone is asking for something unreasonable.
Because romance experience isn't simply a sum of romance specific dialogue. Devs had commented in past on the need to take wider content into account due to its limited nature due to optionalness.
Yea, in the past where they didn't have the resources they had now
Why does it have to be about just banter?
Whatever happened to simply liking the idea of adventuring out with favorite characters? This is what RPGs are founded on (group based ones at least). No reason to brush it off, like someone is asking for something unreasonable.
I'm not brushing anything off, just because you can travel with an NPC all the time doesn't make their romance inferior
If anything people are brushing off NPC romances
Yea, in the past where they didn't have the resources they had now
They still describe it as optional content. They've in no way implied a vast increase in content or any increase.
I think the advisor romances will be pretty strong this time around. Mass effect taught alot im sure there was alot of feedback there. Its not like there not gonna be doing any thing ether i mean you will proably send them on missions proably help them and stuff like that.
Well if you like the idea of your LI beside you in battle, then Cullen/Scribbles aren't for you. That's okay. But it doesn't make those romances inferior to Cassandra's or Dorian's.
It does make them inferior imo. Others can have a different opinion.
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Well if you like the idea of your LI beside you in battle, then Cullen/Scribbles aren't for you. That's okay. But it doesn't make those romances inferior to Cassandra's or Dorian's.
It's not really about quality to me. They could be the greatest things ever, for all I know. I just don't like how people are brushing off how someone enjoys a game and trying to stifle discussion about pros and cons.
Well if you like the idea of your LI beside you in battle, then Cullen/Scribbles aren't for you. That's okay. But it doesn't make those romances inferior to Cassandra's or Dorian's.
Indeed.
I think having a LI to return to is as valid a romance as a Battle Couple.
I've never thought having to 'share' an LI with straight male players was a bad thing. Before this discussion started, I didn't realize that having to 'share' with queer women would be a bad thing for some dudes.
Trying to understand this idea just hurts my brain. I thought the supposedly prototypical straight fantasy was a threesome, so therefore bi women = the ideal, and straight = bad. But maybe not? I don't know.
It does make them inferior imo. Others can have a different opinion.
I have a different opinion on the matter. In my opinion, they aren't inferior, they're different.
Being able to take your LI with you is well and good; it's something I do personally enjoy. But it isn't a make or break aspect for me, and after having done it for so many games, I'm honestly ready for something new and different.
But a companion can be both whereas an NPC can only be one.
The original point i objected to was those saying both straight orientations should have the NPCs while others get 2 companion choices.
Trying to understand this idea just hurts my brain. I thought the supposedly prototypical straight fantasy was a threesome, so therefore bi women = the ideal, and straight = bad. But maybe not? I don't know.
I've seen at least one straight woman who was a major Cullen fan say that if Cullen was romanceable by both men and women she would lose interest in him as the idea makes her uncomfortable, so it's a mentality that isn't exclusive to straight men.
But a companion can be both whereas an NPC can only be one.
The original point i objected to was those saying both straight genders should have the NPCs while others get 2 companion choices.
Companions are never treated as such, though. You can literally never take a companion out adventuring with you and the story won't acknowledge that. They'll act like they fight beside you all the same.
An NPC romance acknowledges that they're not fighting by your side, so it tells a different story.
Trying to understand this idea just hurts my brain. I thought the supposedly prototypical straight fantasy was a threesome, so therefore bi women = the ideal, and straight = bad. But maybe not? I don't know.
I thought it was more the "you get a full companion romance all to yourself but I don't." I think.
Well if you like the idea of your LI beside you in battle, then Cullen/Scribbles aren't for you. That's okay. But it doesn't make those romances inferior to Cassandra's or Dorian's.
I have survived IRL without a workplace romance, suffering through the abject horror of whole days apart from the person I was dating. Sometimes even almost a week! Yet somehow our relationship worked out OK despite that almost insurmountable obstacle.
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I have a different opinion on the matter. In my opinion, they aren't inferior, they're different.
Being able to take your LI with you is well and good; it's something I do personally enjoy. But it isn't a make or break aspect for me, and after having done it for so many games, I'm honestly ready for something new and different.
I got this "new and different" thing already in ME3 (since I romanced Jack). No amount of good Citadel content made up for it (even Citadel itself sucked in the mission part). To me, nothing works like a real squadmate. But that's just me. I'm not saying it applies to everyone, or even that DAI will be as bad as ME3. It sets a precedent though.
I've seen at least one straight woman who was a major Cullen fan say that if Cullen was romanceable by both men and women she would lose interest in him as the idea makes her uncomfortable, so it's a mentality that isn't exclusive to straight men.
I wasn't implying the mentality was exclusive to men, just that I didn't understand those men who had that mentality.
I thought it was more the "you get a full companion romance all to yourself but I don't." I think.
But that's not the same thing as framing it in terms of "sharing". Cass isn't somehow a worse romance if she's bi on your interpretation, but she is on the other one.
Citadel's Samantha kiss interrupt>all
No, no. Everyone knows that bisexual women are actually bad thing because it means they might wind up more interested in each other, instead of just tolerating each other and putting on some light show while they're waiting for their turn to get some of that Mighty ****.Trying to understand this idea just hurts my brain. I thought the supposedly prototypical straight fantasy was a threesome, so therefore bi women = the ideal, and straight = bad. But maybe not? I don't know.
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