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[Ryzaki]

But that's not the same thing as framing it in terms of "sharing". Cass isn't somehow a worse romance if she's bi on your interpretation, but she is on the other one. 

 

Ah fair enough. I guess she'd been seen as worse if she wasn't the for them romance? *shrug*

 

 

No, no. Everyone knows that bisexual women are actually bad thing because it means they might wind up more interested in each other, instead of just tolerating each other and putting on some light show while they're waiting for their turn to get some of that Mighty ****.

 

lol

[wright1978]

 

Companions are never treated as such, though. You can literally never take a companion out adventuring with you and the story won't acknowledge that. They'll act like they fight beside you all the same.

 

An NPC romance acknowledges that they're not fighting by your side, so it tells a different story.

 

As it isn't of interest to me i'll have to take your word for it.

All the more reason why they should be available to all orientations then.

[Former_Fiend]

I got this "new and different" thing already in ME3 (since I romanced Jack). No amount of good Citadel content made up for it (even Citadel itself sucked in the mission part). To me, nothing works like a real squadmate. But that's just me. I'm not saying it applies to everyone, or even that DAI will be as bad as ME3. It sets a precedent though.

 

See, where you saw an idea that just flat out didn't work, I saw an idea that wasn't executed properly but had great potential. 

 

At any rate, I'd never want to see a bioware game with a complete lack of companion romances. But I have seen people arguing for the complete exclusion of NPC romances, which isn't something I want, either. 

 

 

I wasn't implying the mentality was exclusive to men, just that I didn't understand those men who had that mentality. 

 

Fair enough. Me, I can't understand anyone with that mentality, but it's there.

[Former_Fiend]

As it isn't of interest to me i'll have to take your word for it.

All the more reason why they should be available to all orientations then.

 

Well, I don't disagree in that I believe that all romances should be available for all orientations.

 

But that's definitely not going to happen, so dealing strictly with the reality of the situation and not what I would like the situation to be, both LI's being Bi isn't necessarily what's going to happen.

[In Exile]

No, no. Everyone knows that bisexual women are actually bad thing because it means they might wind up more interested in each other, instead of just tolerating each other and putting on some light show while they're waiting for their turn to get some of that Mighty ****.

 

Although I totally appreciate the sarcasm, I have to say that if someone really believed that it would just make for a really depressing threesome. Especially if that dude is only using his supposedly mighty ****. That's just bad sex. 

 

But then threesomes are kind of overrated anyway. 

 

Fair enough. Me, I can't understand anyone with that mentality, but it's there.

 

It's not that I don't find it equally perplexing in women as much as it is that I've spoken to women about it, so I understand more what (at least some of them) are uncomfortable about. 

[Former_Fiend]

 

 

 

It's not that I don't find it equally perplexing in women as much as it is that I've spoken to women about it, so I understand more what (at least some of them) are uncomfortable about. 

 

Mind shedding some slight on that?

[In Exile]

Switching gears to the advisor romances, it occurs to me that if Bioware knows they're advisors, and knows when they will be travelling with the party and when they won't be, that we can have far more elaborate cinematic scenes.

 

Consider, for example, an endgame moment like the gates of Denerim. For the companions, Bioware has two states: in the party and out, and then another two: romanced or not, for a total of four possible states (without factoring in the cost for different races, gender models, etc.). For the advisors, if they're not tagging along, they have states: romanced or not. That allows for Bioware to focus in on the scenes, which might actually give us more catered romance content. 

[wright1978]

Well, I don't disagree in that I believe that all romances should be available for all orientations.

 

But that's definitely not going to happen, so dealing strictly with the reality of the situation and not what I would like the situation to be, both LI's being Bi isn't necessarily what's going to happen.

 Both NPC's being bi may not happen. I'd consider it as vastly preferable when making this big a change to romances. As i said i'll only get extremely irate if they lump them both as straight.

[In Exile]

Mind shedding some slight on that?

 

So keeping in mind that this is possibly (probably) idiosyncratic to the women I talked about this with, the issue seems to be that think that M/M relationships have to involve some degree of submission from both men and find that idea (especially the idea of a man being penetrated, whether it's oral or ... otherwise, keeping it vaguely PG-13) a big turn-off. So then the idea that the person they're interested in having done that in the past becomes a turn-off. 

 

That involves a few misconceptions about what M/M relationships can be like, but anyway, that's what I've been told. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I actually enjoyed the Traynor romance maybe it wasn't as complete as some of the others but it made me feel good to have the ability to romance a lesbian character.

The Traynor romance was completely half-arsed, it seemed like she was there to mostly just be a tease for maleshep players then be a proper romance for lesbian/bi women, the "romance" shower scene made it look even worse & thats before realising that she had the least content of everyone besides maybe Kelly Chambers equally half-arsed romance. I really hope the NPC romances in inquisition are nothing like they were in ME3.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

With Cullen having shown only attraction to women in the past and the advisers having an equal writing budget and romance content as companions, I'm starting to think they announced Cassandra and Cullen together because they are the straight options. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Traynor romance was completely half-arsed, it seemed like she was there to mostly just be a tease for maleshep players then be a proper romance for lesbian/bi women, the "romance" shower scene made it look even worse & thats before realising that she had the least content of everyone besides maybe Kelly Chambers equally half-arsed romance. I really hope the NPC romances in inquisition are nothing like they were in ME3.

Bioware has stated from more than one person that the NPCs got an equal writing budget as companions. That means for example Cullen will have as much content as Dorian, or Scribbles if she is a LI will have as much content as Cassandra. 

[Deviija]

 

 the "romance" shower scene made it look even worse 

 

I still shake my head at that.  For so many reasons.  

[HiroVoid]

With Cullen having shown only attraction to women in the past and the advisers having an equal writing budget and romance content as companions, I'm starting to think they announced Cassandra and Cullen together because they are the straight options. 

I think it had more to do with the fact they were the obvious options.

[Iakus]

Bioware has stated from more than one person that the NPCs got an equal writing budget as companions. That means for example Cullen will have as much content as Dorian, or Scribbles if she is a LI will have as much content as Cassandra. 

Not only that, it appears the companions will also be getting regular "friendship path" (aka "bromance") content as well.  So even if you are not in a romance with a favorite character, there will still be opportunities to just hang out with them.  

[pallascedar]

It does make them inferior imo. Others can have a different opinion.

 

And that's a totally legitimate opinions. Just like I would imagine Iron Bull's romance to be inferior to any others because I'm uninterested in him as a romantic character. However, your opinion is subjective, and I don't think they need to take subjective opinions into account when deciding what's "fair" about romance content.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think it had more to do with the fact they were the obvious options.

Cullen wasn't even announced at the time they said that though. His LI confirmation was the first time they said he would be in the game. 

[Former_Fiend]

To be fair, that setting in particular didn't help. DAI isn't like that at least (I think). ME3 is the end of the freaking galaxy, for one. If there's anytime to have a last hurrah with favorite characters around more, it's a situation like that.

 

Another thing to keep in mind is that there's a difference between an NPC Li who was a companion- and an LI- in a previous game and is made an NPC in the sequel. I romanced Miranda in ME2 and would wager I was as disappointed with her treatment in ME3 as you were with Jack's. 

 

Cullen and Scribbles have never been companions. I doubt the total amount of Cullen's dialogue in both DAO and DA2 amounts to half, or even a quarter of a companion's dialogue from a single game. They've never come into battle along side our Inquisitor before. So even with the perception of NPC Li's being less than companions, Cullen isn't losing anything; he's gaining it. And Scribbles, being a new character, is obviously advancing.

 

 

So keeping in mind that this is possibly (probably) idiosyncratic to the women I talked about this with, the issue seems to be that think that M/M relationships have to involve some degree of submission from both men and find that idea (especially the idea of a man being penetrated, whether it's oral or ... otherwise, keeping it vaguely PG-13) a big turn-off. So then the idea that the person they're interested in having done that in the past becomes a turn-off. 

 

That involves a few misconceptions about what M/M relationships can be like, but anyway, that's what I've been told. 

 

That is interesting. It goes to show that the many, many variables in human sexual preferences are beyond what they'd ever be able to fit into a game; given that I've known more than a few women who find those very concepts to be extremely appealing.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not only that, it appears the companions will also be getting regular "friendship path" (aka "bromance") content as well.  So even if you are not in a romance with a favorite character, there will still be opportunities to just hang out with them.  

Yeah, they won't just stop talking after a while like ME2. 

[Phate Phoenix]

Cullen wasn't even announced at the time they said that though. His LI confirmation was the first time they said he would be in the game. 

 

Actually, Greg Ellis announced that he was returning as Cullen over twitter, a week or so before Cullen was announced as an LI.

[wright1978]

And that's a totally legitimate opinions. Just like I would imagine Iron Bull's romance to be inferior to any others because I'm uninterested in him as a romantic character. However, your opinion is subjective, and I don't think they need to take subjective opinions into account when deciding what's "fair" about romance content.

 

Disagree when making a change to a valued aspect of romance it should be taken into account in terms of fairly splitting this content imo. Certainly shouldn't be thrust solely upon a straight orientations.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Cullen and Scribbles have never been companions. I doubt the total amount of Cullen's dialogue in both DAO and DA2 amounts to half, or even a quarter of a companion's dialogue from a single game. They've never come into battle along side our Inquisitor before. So even with the perception of NPC Li's being less than companions, Cullen isn't losing anything; he's gaining it. And Scribbles, being a new character, is obviously advancing.

Yeah, the advisers are pretty much pseudo-companions in terms of content amount. Not back for a returning NPC and a newcomer. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Actually, Greg Ellis announced that he was returning as Cullen over twitter, a week or so before Cullen was announced as an LI.

I meant the first time Bioware said Cullen was in the game. Yeah, he tweeted that on Monday or Tuesday and the LI announcement came on Friday or Saturday. 

[Former_Fiend]

Didn't Ellis tweet he was doing voice work for Bioware a year or so before they made it official?