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Which is one thing that concerns me. Ultimately it is a characterisation issue, so having it driven by resources is less than ideal.
It's resource driven from the stand point of "what are we going to do with all the zots that we have." That doesn't mean that we're going "la dee da" and the suddenly "oh snap, this character cannot be bisexual now due to resources."
Given more resources we'd always do more, so I struggle somewhat to think of something that isn't driven by resources.
It's resource driven from the stand point of "what are we going to do with all the zots that we have." That doesn't mean that we're going "la dee da" and the suddenly "oh snap, this character cannot be bisexual now due to resources."
Given more resources we'd always do more, so I struggle somewhat to think of something that isn't driven by resources.
Not that I disagree, but I think what Wulf was talking about was the race gating.
Not that I disagree, but I think what Wulf was talking about was the race gating.
I got the impression that it was more "We'd like to do more, but can't, so we'll have to make it like this instead" as opposed to the gating existing with consideration towards both cost and characterization.
For instance, it's cheaper to make a character only gay. But I think we've also leveraged knowing that into something pretty awesome and interesting within that characterization.
Does he say that you keep siding with the Templars? Or that he expected that you would understand him instead. I can't remember how Anders behaved in my rival playthough (not romanced).
Basically, this: Anders rivalry. You'll get this even if you have been helping mages all along - (it's shockingly easy to rival Anders playing an aggressive Hawke).
I've joked before that the race gating is a ploy by Bioware to get the fandom to stop asking for multiple races and let them go back to a human-only PC.
Congratulations; you finally get to play a qunari like you've been asking for for five years! Enjoy, and remember that everyone in Thedas hates you because of your race, and the whole game will be that much more difficult for it! But wait, there's more! On top of that, out of your trusted companions, only one of them will be able to see passed your horns and allow you to find love! But that's not even the best part; we've made sure that one companion is the least interesting, least attractive one to you, personally!
Have fun, and see you next time for Dragon Age IV: Hawke Returns!
All in jest, of course.
Edited to account for the effect this headcold is having on my typing.
Basically, this: Anders rivalry. You'll get this even if you have been helping mages all along - (it's shockingly easy to rival Anders playing an aggressive Hawke).
Ah, that is what I got that with my Pro-Circle mage Hawke. Hehe.
I think the straight/gay options are more likely to have less gating and bi options probably more gating. Being straight/gay is equal to knocking off two races, basically.
Just my guess, though. I mean, they're saving the same amount of budget no matter, so it may not work out that way.
I'm eager to know what y'all found to be the most "awesome and interesting" romances. There's alot of variables there. I, for one, like to have my Lady Couslands romance Zevran and politically marry Alistair, and then romance my mage Hawkes to Fenris. Or my Hawkes to Merrill if the warden was Dalish and Anders if the warden was an Amell, to have the most call-backs to previous games.I got the impression that it was more "We'd like to do more, but can't, so we'll have to make it like this instead" as opposed to the gating existing with consideration towards both cost and characterization.
For instance, it's cheaper to make a character only gay. But I think we've also leveraged knowing that into something pretty awesome and interesting within that characterization.
I'm eager to know what y'all found to be the most "awesome and interesting" romances. There's alot of variables there. I, for one, like to have my Lady Couslands romance Zevran and politically marry Alistair, and then romance my mage Hawkes to Fenris. Or my Hawkes to Merrill if the warden was Dalish and Anders if the warden was an Amell, to have the most call-backs to previous games.
I'm trying to imagine what you guys woukd have considered the pinnacle of gameplay and it's like trying to imagine a color that doesn't exist.
I actually really liked Zevran's romance once I got past his Atton Randiness and got to HIM. As for Dragon Age II... I haven't managed a full romance PT of anyone other than Fenris (though I did get the Night With Hawke scenes... just broke up with a lot of people after).
Mass Effect? It would be Kaidan, Jack, and Thane in that order. I like the adult and grown up feel to the Kaidan romance. Where they're all "You go do you. Sorry I yelled". I just kinda ignore all of the OOC for the New Players crap they pulled with Kaidan in ME3 where they used his anger to explain Shep's past ties with Cerberus. Jack and Thane for when I want to break my own heart.
Speaking of, Atton Rand... restored content. Hands down best. Too bad he isn't Bioware...
Of course... now I realize that wasn't what you were asking. HERP.
Eh Atton kind of creeped me out. But then again I got the he decides to go all crazy on Disciple ending.
Oh, yeah. That ending is... my heebies are properly jeebied.
But the happy ending and the "I tried to play it off as a joke... wasn't funny... everything hurts..." ending is... tears.
Eh Atton kind of creeped me out. But then again I got the he decides to go all crazy on Disciple ending.
Bad playthrough
I actually really liked Zevran's romance once I got past his Atton Randiness and got to HIM. As for Dragon Age II... I haven't managed a full romance PT of anyone other than Fenris (though I did get the Night With Hawke scenes... just broke up with a lot of people after).
Mass Effect? It would be Kaidan, Jack, and Thane in that order. I like the adult and grown up feel to the Kaidan romance. Where they're all "You go do you. Sorry I yelled". I just kinda ignore all of the OOC for the New Players crap they pulled with Kaidan in ME3 where they used his anger to explain Shep's past ties with Cerberus. Jack and Thane for when I want to break my own heart.
Speaking of, Atton Rand... restored content. Hands down best. Too bad he isn't Bioware...
Of course... now I realize that wasn't what you were asking. HERP.
Bad playthrough
HEY. Not my fault he went cray cray.
I blame the old bat.
Oh, yeah. That ending is... my heebies are properly jeebied.
But the happy ending and the "I tried to play it off as a joke... wasn't funny... everything hurts..." ending is... tears.
Yeah.
Oh that one 
gave me a serious case of the sadz. Amost made me sadder than Clear's bad ending in DMMD.
I'm way in the minority on this, but I actually really liked romancing Anders as a co-mage rebel. He's the most important character in DA2, imo (I realize others might disagree). I really liked that, to me, the main course of the plot seemed like it was about us. With a lot of the romances, it's about you and then your romance is a side thing, but with Anders in DA2 it really felt like a combination of our efforts from start to finish. Fenris, the other male LI character, definitely felt like the "side character" without much plot relevance, to me. That made his romance arc less appealing, for me. I realize not every character can be that character, but it was nice having access to that relationship for a change.
Yeah I loved that Fenris was mostly disconnected to Kirkwall's insanity considering I'd gladly left that city and never returned after act 2. Them actually doing that made me smile. Romance Fen, side with the mages and bounce.
I'm way in the minority on this, but I actually really liked romancing Anders as a co-mage rebel. He's the most important character in DA2, imo (I realize others might disagree). I really liked that, to me, the main course of the plot seemed like it was about us. With a lot of the romances, it's about you and then your romance is a side thing, but with Anders in DA2 it really felt like a combination of our efforts from start to finish. Fenris, the other male LI character, definitely felt like the "side character" without much plot relevance, to me. That made his romance arc less appealing, for me. I realize not every character can be that character, but it was nice having access to that relationship for a change.
I agree with you on this. I liked his friendmance a lot...obviously, since I romanced him 90% of the time. And one of the main reasons I preferred him as an LI (and character in general) was because he was a huge part of the story, whereas Fenris was just... sitting in his mansion. I didn't dislike Fenris, he just really did seem not connected to everything that was going on.
Initially I chose him because I loved him in Awakening, but soon I realized I was enjoying a near entirely 'new' character lol. As messed up as he is, that just made him all the more interesting and awesome to me though.
I'm way in the minority on this, but I actually really liked romancing Anders as a co-mage rebel. He's the most important character in DA2, imo (I realize others might disagree). I really liked that, to me, the main course of the plot seemed like it was about us. With a lot of the romances, it's about you and then your romance is a side thing, but with Anders in DA2 it really felt like a combination of our efforts from start to finish. Fenris, the other male LI character, definitely felt like the "side character" without much plot relevance, to me. That made his romance arc less appealing, for me. I realize not every character can be that character, but it was nice having access to that relationship for a change.
Tends to be why I romance Morrigan or Alistair. I feel like Leliana or Zevran don't have as much long-term weight on the story, although Leliana might change that. With DA2, I felt like they were more evenly-weighted, although Anders still tops them.
Man, I really wished we had a Morrigan in the party in DA2. The 2 mages we got were a serious turn-off. At least DA:I is looking up in the mage companion department.
Man, I really wished we had a Morrigan in the party in DA2. The 2 mages we got were a serious turn-off. At least DA:I is looking up in the mage companion department.
Tends to be why I romance Morrigan or Alistair. I feel like Leliana or Zevran don't have as much long-term weight on the story, although Leliana might change that. With DA2, I felt like they were more evenly-weighted, although Anders still tops them.
I like to play gay males, so I only romance Zev in Origins. It kinda sucks being disconnected from the main story with that romance, but I can't get into a hetero romance, so it's just not worth it. It was nice that DA2 gave me the option with Anders. I've been tentative about bringing the gender gating back in large part to worries of another Origins situation.
I'm way in the minority on this, but I actually really liked romancing Anders as a co-mage rebel. He's the most important character in DA2, imo (I realize others might disagree). I really liked that, to me, the main course of the plot seemed like it was about us. With a lot of the romances, it's about you and then your romance is a side thing, but with Anders in DA2 it really felt like a combination of our efforts from start to finish. Fenris, the other male LI character, definitely felt like the "side character" without much plot relevance, to me. That made his romance arc less appealing, for me. I realize not every character can be that character, but it was nice having access to that relationship for a change.
This was my favorite run of DA2, and the one I'm planning on having for my 'canon' storyline for DAI. It did feel like the game was building up around both Anders and my Hawke, and when it finally came to a head it felt satisfying. Like, yes, this is what was going to happen--of course it was, nothing else makes sense. I played my Hawke as susceptible to demons (Aggressive personality), so it often felt like they were pulling each other from the edge of their respective cliffs. Good times.
I also agree that Fenris' romance felt very pulled back from the plot, and thus I never really got into it. So I'm hoping that each of DAI's romance plots are integrated somehow into the main plot. Probably not as much as Anders' was--maybe more like Isabela? Or maybe simply having the character fit into the main plot would be enough.
I think it will help that we will have more options to choose from this time around. Hopefully.. But yeah, I had a sad time really wanting to romance Jack in Mass Effect, but I just can't get myself to play a maleshep for a few reasons, mostly because I like my pc to always somewhat represent myself in some ways (personality can vary, but I really just feel more immersed if I can play as my gender). So I know how you feel with that.
I'm way in the minority on this, but I actually really liked romancing Anders as a co-mage rebel. He's the most important character in DA2, imo (I realize others might disagree). I really liked that, to me, the main course of the plot seemed like it was about us. With a lot of the romances, it's about you and then your romance is a side thing, but with Anders in DA2 it really felt like a combination of our efforts from start to finish.
I'm not into shiny happy heroes and heroines, nor am I into extremely goody-good endings. My PCs are always rebels/renegades/"evil" types the first run through in games. It factors into why I loved the Anders endgame plot and epilogue, especially if you romanced him and are pro-mage. Makes for an interesting story in my view. A game where my off the rails pro-mage DudeHawke can actually accept and understand Anders' extremism, and then run off together after everything goes up in smoke. Literally. Being fugitives and terrorists. It's different. I've never had an option like this before, and I quite liked the thread of the story.
That playthrough is my canon worldsave state that I'll be bringing over to Inquisition. My Origins canon is a City Elf Rogue that killed everyone with a ends-justify-means mentality, romanced Alistair, he told her he couldn't marry her cuz noble crap (unhardened), and she dumped his butt, and then did the Ultimate Sacrifice out of spite and just so he could watch her die. Saving the "world" was a bonus.
I'm actually surprised a lot of people liked the Anders romance, because I got the impression almost everyone else hated him. lol
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