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[cjones91]

What page, if you don't mind? I need to bookmark it, cause I want have that on hand.

Page 72 and the passage The Sex Lives of Everyday Thedosians.

[Clockwork_Wings]

That's a really well written dialogue! It felt very Dragon-Ageish, marking both culture and character, wiithout making fun of it.

Thanks.  I do my best.  ^^;;

 

I was afraid I made the Varric one sound too fearful and vulnerable.  He generally seems to have a real strong stomach, but that's the point.  He's opening up to her, showing her how he really feels, being completely honest with her, even though he's indicating he's afraid of her species, or at least put off by them.  Not even Hawke got that honor.

 

A nice follow-up, I think, would be this:

 

Varric: Remember when you asked why I call my crossbow "Bianca?"  Let me tell you the story...*fade to black*

 

Also a good way, I think, to show they're in a relationship without having to animate it.

[Clockwork_Wings]

It's been well over a year since I've played DA2, but doesn't Fenris either imply or outright state he was forced to "serve" Danarius in a sexual capacity?

 

I assume that's where I've gotten my impressions from. The Tevinter views on homosexuality seem to be quite similar to ancient Rome.

Danaerius says, when he sees Fenris with Hawke, "the boy is rather skilled."  I wanna say he also says something to the effect of "I remember when you were fond of me, too."

[fiveforchaos]

 

World of Thedas, page 72:

 

"What I find most interesting is that, despite the lack of open discussion on matters of human sexuality, there is commonality to be found on the subject in all Andrastian lands.

 

Typically, one’s sexual habits are considered natural and separate from matters of procreation, and only among the nobility, where procreation involves issues of inheritance and the union of powerful families, is it considered of vital importance.

 

Yet even there, a noble who has done their duty to the family might be allowed to pursue their own sexual interests without raising eyebrows.

 

The view on indulging lusts with a member of the same gender varies from land to land.  In Orlais, it is considered a quirk of character and nothing more.  In Ferelden, it is a matter of scandal if done indiscreetly but otherwise nothing noteworthy.  In Tevinter, it is considered selfish and deviant behavior among nobles, but actively encouraged with favored slaves.  Nowhere is it forbidden, and sex of any kind is only considered worthy of judgement when taken to awful excess or performed in the public eye."

 

So my assessment that Thedas was at 1980s-1990s leven of gay rights, but minus the AIDS and plus feudal politics is mostly correct. It also sounds like a bigger issue for Nobles than the common folk, so I suppose Sera's probably not gonna really be affected by her sexuality, but if Dorian is in fact gay he might have bigger issues with it.

 

The slaves thing makes sense, in a twisted sort of way. Creepy Shin Sekai Yori style population control right there. Wonder if it's the same case with circle mages as well.

[cjones91]

So my assessment that Thedas was at 1980s-1990s leven of gay rights, but minus the AIDS and plus feudal politics is mostly correct. It also sounds like a bigger issue for Nobles than the common folk, so I suppose Sera's probably not gonna really be affected by her sexuality, but if Dorian is in fact gay he might have bigger issues with it.

 

The slaves thing makes sense, in a twisted sort of way. Creepy Shin Sekai Yori style population control right there. Wonder if it's the same case with circle mages as well.

 

Anders in Awakening said that the Circle mages got busy whenever they could,and since child birth isn't encouraged among mages I'd bet there were plenty of mages in relationships with the same sex.

[GVulture]

Anders in Awakening said that the Circle mages got busy whenever they could,and since child birth isn't encouraged among mages I'd bet there were plenty of mages in relationships with the same sex.

Or they used birth control. Herbal or magical. Or maybe the Templar magic suppresses more than just the lethality of a mage's *cough* magic.

[Gwydden]

Well, just because he looks that way doesn't necessarily mean anything.

 

I mean, Sera doesn't particularly look like she would be into women to me. I dont see any "clues" there or anything.

 

I hope he's bisexual, personally, but i generally hope everyone in the game is.

Oh, I'm aware   I was just kidding. I make it a point not to judge people's orientation based in their behavior, and vice versa. Among my own characters, the most "fabulous" male is straight,  while the hardass, jerkass guy I think of as "van Helsing" (I prefer to use tags instead of names until I come up with a perfect one) is gay (not in the literal sense xD). My subconscious works in mysterious ways, and I appreciate how it helps me to get over stereotypes 

[cjones91]

Or they used birth control. Herbal or magical. Or maybe the Templar magic suppresses more than just the lethality of a mage's *cough* magic.

That  too,and speaking of Templars I imagine some had relationships with mages as well.Wynne even alluded to it in DAO.

[TheodoricFriede]

Oh, I'm aware   I was just kidding. I make it a point not to judge people's orientation based in their behavior, and vice versa. Among my own characters, the most "fabulous" male is straight,  while the hardass, jerkass guy I think of as "van Helsing" (I prefer to use tags instead of names until I come up with a perfect one) is gay (not in the literal sense xD). My subconscious works in mysterious ways, and I appreciate how it helps me to get over stereotypes 

I get you, im also just wondering if they're going for any particular theme at all.

 

Dorian very much looks like a group of straight fellows sitting in a room rendition of how they might see male love interest that would appealing to a gay male.

 

The thing is, in the most stereotypical view possible, Cassandra looks like the obvious lesbian choice. Sera doesn't look that way at all.

 

I imagine im just looking too far into things that are probably ultimately decided with a coin flip. But im just curious if there is a pattern that they are going for.

[HuldraDancer]

Dorian or Blackwall would make a really nice gay LI though that's my own preference talking, but I'd really love to see an older LI gay, straight, bi I don't care it would be wonderful either way 

[TheodoricFriede]

Where do you think Vivienne stands in all of this?

 

 

I, personally, dont think she will be a Romance Option at all.

 

She just doesn't seem like she would be into anything that doesn't help her maintain a position of power.

 

But, what do i know?

[pallascedar]

Where do you think Vivienne stands in all of this?

 

I'd be surprised if she's the straight option. It seems like a lot of her "world" would be more appealing to women. Elegance, gaudy dresses, grand balls, noble circles, crushing people with words and social manuevering. This can appeal to a straight guy too, but it's a smaller group, I think. I'm not one of them. I don't even care to go to a VIP section of a club.. let alone a grand ball.

 

But just because straight men don' like baudy things (and they do in Orlais... see Prosper and Gaspard) doesn't mean Vivienne can't be straight. She's a powerful woman and she will pursue that power in her own way. If there's a man or woman who will stand at her side, sure, she'll take it, but if anyone has a problem with her then I don't think she'd especially care.

[Finnn62]

Considering there are only 4 female characters we know of (not including Leliana or Morrigan), I'd say there would be a good chance Vivienne would be romancable. 

[DontWakeTheBear]

That  too,and speaking of Templars I imagine some had relationships with mages as well.Wynne even alluded to it in DAO.

 

She does more than allude to it in Asunder       

Spoiler

She admit's that the father of her child was a Templar

 

[Allan Schumacher]

Allan! How do you feel about The Witcher?

 

I played the first game late so I think that negatively affects my perspective somewhat (I enjoyed it well enough but it didn't quite hit the right notes for me, it seems), but I actually enjoyed the second a fair bit.  The narrative was solid and I gave full marks to a lot of the nuanced animations and whatnot that seemed to make Geralt come alive.

[Allan Schumacher]

Race restriction for romance...

isn't this racist?

"Oh, he's white. I'm Asian. Asian aren't suppose to like white boy. So no I can't like him. Even though he's so nice to me and all"

Sexual orientation is one thing I don't like but I'll probably accept it at one point. But this race thing is a bit over the line for me.

 

I thought Bioware game was about freedom of choice. Not "if you want to get close with A, pick race B only."

 

I'm pretty comfortable saying that it isn't racist.  Some will disagree with me, but none of the restrictions are not the real world.  If you play a character that looks like an asian, none of the characters will refuse based on the colour of your skin.  Unless your argument is that we're being racist towards fictional groups that don't exist in reality?

 

 

As for a large part of the reasoning as to why a decision like this is made, please read the first post of the thread.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

My opinion on the issue of resources is that less characters being made romances, but developing them more, is the better choice. I'd rather have four bisexual options and have them as developed as possible. I don't think it's worth taking scenes away to expand the pool. To me, it just seems like watering things down for the sake of more numbers in the pool. I've seen a lot of people rip on ambiguous sexualities because "quality is more important than quantity", but it actually seems like rigid, set sexualities is what's most likely to hurt quality for quantity. Cutting content like cutscenes showing reactions to story events and such directly effects character development and the depth of the relationship. I have yet to see how set sexualities add anything important. I hope Bioware will consider going back to the all bi route in the future and dumping all their resources into making the four options as developed as possible. I understand there might be more characters the writers can see working as romances, but there will always be more concepts that would be awesome if there were unlimited resources. Four seems like a good line to draw that allows for choice and optimum development. 

[Maugrim]

This is being extremely nitpicky about the species point but considering that one of the most basic definitions of a species is a group of organisms that is capable of interbreeding then yes dwarfs, humans and elves are the same 'species' with each group probably best being described as a subspecies.  That would be of course assuming genetics worked the same in the world of Dragon Age which they probably don't. Although I believe the issues with elves could just as easily being chalked up to a liger/tigon type situation instead of the obviously mystical element it possess in the story. I don't think we've heard about qunari crossbreeds at this time but same rules would apply if they are possible.

 

IF things worked like they do in our world.  Irregardless I'd still rather not see several levels of romance gating unless is was extremely integral to the story they want to tell.  And I'd want some examination of why that's the story they want told.

[Darth Krytie]

My opinion on the issue of resources is that less characters being made romances, but developing them more, is the better choice. I'd rather have four bisexual options and have them as developed as possible. I don't think it's worth taking scenes away to expand the pool. To me, it just seems like watering things down for the sake of more numbers in the pool. I've seen a lot of people rip on ambiguous sexualities because "quality is more important than quantity", but it actually seems like rigid, set sexualities is what's most likely to hurt quality for quantity. Cutting content like cutscenes showing reactions to story events and such directly effects character development and the depth of the relationship. I have yet to see how set sexualities add anything important. I hope Bioware will consider going back to the all bi route in the future and dumping all their resources into making the four options as developed as possible. I understand there might be more characters the writers can see working as romances, but there will always be more concepts that would be awesome if there were unlimited resources. Four seems like a good line to draw that allows for choice and optimum development. 

 

 

It seems a bit hasty to judge how well developed the romances and companions are given that you've not actually played the game to see how it all turns out.

[Fionarei]

I'm pretty comfortable saying that it isn't racist.  Some will disagree with me, but none of the restrictions are not the real world.  If you play a character that looks like an asian, none of the characters will refuse based on the colour of your skin.  Unless your argument is that we're being racist towards fictional groups that don't exist in reality?

 

 

As for a large part of the reasoning as to why a decision like this is made, please read the first post of the thread.

 

 

People seem to forget that "race restriction" is being used in an entirely different sense in Dragon Age.

 

Here, race doesn't mean "skin color". Your character won't be refused for being white, black, whatever. It means their actual race. Qunari, Human, Elf, Dwarf, that sort of thing. I can easily see and understand why many races wouldn't take interracial relationships so lightly.

 

Because again, it's not racist, nor is it about color. It's about actual genetic race, species, and biological differences.

 

So, racism is just about color of your skin now? I always thought racism has deeper meaning than that, like social+belief+etc.

 

And 'Oh it's fictional stuff so it doesn't really matter." is not good enough to me, my friend. But whatever.

First we got sexual restriction

Then we got race restriction.

Next thing we know, one companion would probably outright refuse to talk with me if I'm mage or something. There you go : Class restriction.