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They said that everyone got the same romance budget. Why does it matter now that one LI is more important to the plot?
I'm not undermining anyone, I'm honestly curious about their POV since I don't care that Sera might be considered less important to the central plot.
Yeah, I'm not even sure how people even "know" that...
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They said that everyone got the same romance budget.
That in itself is just good news.
It could be much worse. You could be a Jack fan in ME3. Or Miranda. Or *gasp* a Jacob fan.
I don't see why. It's entirely possible that straight male players get an extra option. And if people complain that the numbers aren't even, but would be content with everyone having two options, then they are essentially demanding that a choice is taken away.
What I would question is why they're using all of those cinematic zots and such on such an exclusionary romance.
They said that everyone got the same romance budget. Why does it matter now that one LI is more important to the plot?
I'm not undermining anyone, I'm honestly curious about their POV since I don't care that Sera might be considered less important to the central plot.
People have always cared about how important the LIs were to the plot. I mean, obviously not everyone, but a lot of people. Personally, I find plot important LIs to be more fulfilling. I enjoyed Anders romance in DA2 much more than Fenris, because I felt Fenris was so disconnected from the plot. Anders felt like the most important character in the game besides Hawke and the pairing made it feel like the story was fully about us and the compilation of our efforts. I look at all the interaction with the LIs as part of the overall relationship, not just the "romance specific" content. It's sort of like how I don't only think of "romance talk" as part of my relationship with my real life partner.
That being said, though, I still think it's wise to wait and see the plots before assuming who is and who isn't important.
I believe fairness is worth the extra effort and, since Bioware presents itself as a progressive, inclusive company (which I trust them to act on), I have hope that they'll agree, rather than tossing more bones to the groups that have consistently gotten them just because it seems easier.
I think that people put too much stock in "fairness". So long as everyone gets at least two options, as many as in the previous games, and the quality of the LI's is not lowered, I wouldn't care if a particular demographic got three times as many options as the others.
It's additional content, and more content is always a good thing.
I understand that then.People have always cared about how important the LIs were to the plot. I mean, obviously not everyone, but a lot of people. Personally, I find plot important LIs to be more fulfilling. I enjoyed Anders romance in DA2 much more than Fenris, because I felt Fenris was so disconnected from the plot. Anders felt like the most important character in the game besides Hawke and the pairing made it feel like the story was fully about us and the compilation of our efforts. I look at all the interaction with the LIs as part of the overall relationship, not just the "romance specific" content. It's sort of like how I don't only think of "romance talk" as part of my relationship with my real life partner.
That being said, though, I still think it's wise to wait and see the plots before assuming who is and who isn't important.
thanks got explaining it to me.
I think that people put too much stock in "fairness". So long as everyone gets at least two options, as many as in the previous games, and the quality of the LI's is not lowered, I wouldn't care if a particular demographic got three times as many options as the others.
Good for you? I disagree, but if you see no value in fairness, then I don't really see this going anywhere.
Of course it does. Lesbians already have only 2 side characters, and only one of them is companion. Meanwhile, gay men will apparently have 2 full fledged companion romances, and straight people, two VIPs of this franchise aside of two sidekicks. And it's going to be even more unfair?
Let's deal with actual facts here. What is confirmed as of now:
Straight males: Cassandra, Josephine = 1 companion, 1 NPC
Straight females: Cullen = 1 NPC
Gay males: Dorian = 1 companion
Lesbians: Sera, Josephine = 1 companion, 1 NPC
Lesbians are not "getting the short end" right now.
What else we know:
There are still three more romances to be revealed and one of them is likely a non-companion, non-advisor NPC. That's it.
There is nothing to suggest that any one orientation is getting "less" or "worse" options than anyone else.
I think that people put too much stock in "fairness". So long as everyone gets at least two options, as many as in the previous games, and the quality of the LI's is not lowered, I wouldn't care if a particular demographic got three times as many options as the others.
It's additional content, and more content is always a good thing.
To be fair, you probably would care a lot more if your particular demographic was always (literally, every time) on the lower (if not lowest) end of the spectrum.
I honestly can't believe that anyone doesn't understand the logic of someone wanting the same options that everyone else have. It's great, if you don't mind, but I think it's completely understandable. I'd not like either if straight women got one less option than everybody else
To be fair, you probably would care a lot more if your particular demographic was always (literally, every time) on the lower (if not lowest) end of the spectrum.
I'd care about an Origins situation, where some people didn't even get a choice, but everyone having at least two options and a few getting more is entirely different. I would certainly never argue, for example, that straight male and female players in origins should have only had one romance option each as well. That doesn't solve anything.
If some people can have even more romance options without the overall quality being lowered then by all means, that's what Bioware should do. I'm not going to deny the people around me cake just because I wouldn't get a slice.
Can someone explain to me why Dagna is suddenly such a popular pick for 4th female LI? All I've seen is her writer saying she'd be in the game and a dev mentioning an out-of-group romance. What did I miss?
Also I'm not so sure that dev meant an actual, fleshed out romance (one of the 8). For all we know, he could be talking about a fling, right?
Sorry if I'm totally clueless, but I wasn't following the info much yesterday after they revealed Cass was straight, I got super mopey about it (I still am).
there's an out of group romance? o.o
Can someone explain to me why Dagna is suddenly such a popular pick for 4th female LI? All I've seen is her writer saying she'd be in the game and a dev mentioning an out-of-group romance. What did I miss?
Also I'm not so sure that dev meant an actual, fleshed out romance (one of the 8). For all we know, he could be talking about a fling, right?
Sorry if I'm totally clueless, but I wasn't following the info much yesterday after they revealed Cass was straight, I got super mopey about it (
I still am).
People want a female dwarf LI and she's the only female dwarf we know is going to be in the game.
I'd care about an Origins situation, where some people didn't even get a choice, but everyone having at least two options and a few getting more is entirely different. I would certainly never argue, for example, that straight male and female players in origins should have only had one romance option each as well.
I think the difference is you're assuming that harm done to certain demographic is more or less a coincidence, in which caase, well, yes, one could say, "Ok, this time I'm not getting the best deal, but next time I might be more lucky". But you know that's not usually the case with s/s romances (and to a minor extent it's not the case either for straight women)
Oh i see, so there's no actual indication either way.
Well, I'd be down for a dwarf LI too, but I'd much rather have Vivienne tbh. In fact, I want her with the fire of a thousand suns, especially now that Cass is out of the running XD.
Edit: Besides, now that I think about it, having Dagna as the 4th would mean gay ladies get 1 companion, 1 NPC and one lady who's even further away from the group. Not ideal, to put it mildly
Oh i see, so there's no actual indication either way.
Well, I'd be down for a dwarf LI too, but I'd much rather have Vivienne tbh. In fact, I want her with the fire of a thousand suns, especially now that Cass is out of the running XD.
I'd rather have Dagna. Vivienne's a beautiful woman, but I can't stand her personality.
there's an out of group romance? o.o
Someone asked about it yesterday, if there were any non-follower romances. They answered basically "at least one that I know of"
Which makes me think they could have been talking about "flings" with NPC's, like you could have all over the place in Origins. But a lot of people on the forums think that it is a true, follower level romance, and thus all the Dagna speculation all of the sudden.
I suppose we won't know until the devs either clarify, or the game ships.
I think the difference is you're assuming that harm done to certain demographic is more or less a coincidence, in which caase, well, yes, one could say, "Ok, this time I'm not getting the best deal, but next time I might be more lucky". But you know that's not usually the case with s/s romances (and to a minor extent it's not the case either for straight women)
A few years back when Origins was released there was only one s/s LI of each gender, whereas in Inquisition everyone has at least two romance options and we have both male and a female homosexual companions for the first time.
I find it hard to believe that straight men or straight women getting an extra option on top means everyone else is suffering. And that's assuming that they were the ones who get more options, the situation could easily be reversed.
I'd rather have Dagna. Vivienne's a beautiful woman, but I can't stand her personality.
Fair enough. Pesonal preference is tricksy. I liked Dagna a lot but I am a masochist very appreciative of stern ladies and would very much like to have Vivienne step on my face and despise me coldly from above romance Vivienne in a perfectly normal fashion, ahem.
Someone asked about it yesterday, if there were any non-follower romances. They answered basically "at least one that I know of"
Which makes me think they could have been talking about "flings" with NPC's, like you could have all over the place in Origins. But a lot of people on the forums think that it is a true, follower level romance, and thus all the Dagna speculation all of the sudden.
I suppose we won't know until the devs either clarify, or the game ships.
ah okay, thank you for clarification : )
they revealed a lot of information for the last few hours. I'm totally excited.
A few years back when Origins was released there was only one s/s LI of each gender, whereas in Inquisition everyone has at least two romance options and we have both male and a female homosexual companions for the first time.
I find it hard to believe that straight men or straight women getting an extra option on top means everyone else is suffering.
I think the suffering is simply having less than everyone else, systematically
A few years back when Origins was released there was only one s/s LI of each gender, whereas in Inquisition everyone has at least two romance options and we have both male and a female homosexual companions for the first time.
I find it hard to believe that straight men or straight women getting an extra option on top means everyone else is suffering. And that's assuming that they were the ones who get more options, the situation could easily be reversed.
The progress that Bioware is making with LGBT content is fantastic and I'll never deny that. However, just because some progress is made doesn't mean that we should be happy with less content still. There's no reason why there can't be equal options for all gender and orientation combinations. So, if there's not, then that means that it was on purpose. Not maliciously on purpose, but that someone, somewhere looked at "The Chart" ™ and decided that they are okay with some people getting more than others. If the people who get less are the same people who always get less, then there's still some work to be done, in my opinion.
Fair enough. Pesonal preference is tricksy. I liked Dagna a lot but I am
a masochistvery appreciative of stern ladies and would very much like tohave Vivienne step on my face and despise me coldly from aboveromance Vivienne in a perfectly normal fashion, ahem.
To each their own.
The progress that Bioware is making with LGBT content is fantastic and I'll never deny that. However, just because some progress is made doesn't mean that we should be happy with less content still. There's no reason why there can't be equal options for all gender and orientation combinations. So, if there's not, then that means that it was on purpose. Not maliciously on purpose, but that someone, somewhere looked at "The Chart" ™ and decided that they are okay with some people getting more than others. If the people who get less are the same people who always get less, then there's still some work to be done, in my opinion.
Except there not writing to please you there writing to tell a story if the other options are say Varrick race gated to a female dwarf and Dagna for a male dwarf yet there are still two other companions that are bi-sexual are you still going to say heterosexual players get one more each?
do you know how few people play as a dwarf very few do.
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