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[Grieving Natashina]

 

 

 

I didn't mean to dredge up bad memories with by joking about it. It's how I deal with the shitty attitude that people have. 

 

I've dealt with a lot of prejudice both because nature committed the terrible sin to not make the straight in the first place, and the second terrible sin of giving me a particular type of guy that I really like. The "Just Admit You're Gay" is actually on the "less insulting" slide of the scale of things I've heard from people, which is why I'm just not open with anyone IRL about my sexuality. They can either think I'm straight or gay based on who I'm dating, unless they're a really close, old friend in which case they know who I am anyway. 

 

... and that's it for my over-sharing! 

 

 

Oh, you're fine hun.   I'm usually much the same way.  Over the last few days, I've read too many threads that I should have never clicked on.  I guess I'm a little drained, but I'll make it.

 

 

We steal all the good men/women from everyone. 

 

Heh, if this was true, I wouldn't have a bunch of truly crazy women in my past.   I mean crazy as in three of my ex girlfriends were committed at some point, prior to me meeting them.  At least I wasn't the one that drove them nucking futs.. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

 

<hugs> It's always nice to hear.  

 

As for this bisexuality issue, I thought I'd also add that my boyfriend is bisexual and we've been together since high school. Recently five years. So, I'm definitely with the bisexual cause. 

[Grieving Natashina]

As for this bisexuality issue, I thought I'd also add that my boyfriend is bisexual and we've been together since high school. Recently five years. So, I'm definitely with the bisexual cause. 

That's because you have this amazing thing called compassion and kindness towards your fellow man, and understand there is a reason for the "B" in LGBT.  

 

 

 

*hugs*

Bloody Cassandra, though.

I hear that.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

So changing the subject a bit, Bioware said that the Inquiz will be the most expressive BW protagonist yet. I really hope we can roleplay a gushy love struck dummy X3

[HuldraDancer]

Not neat to me.  I'd rather have Varric as bisexual, cries of "you ruined the character" be damned.

 

 

 

 

Heh.  I'm having trouble laughing at this, because it's a little too close to home sometimes.  Too straight to be gay, too gay to be straight and it's common to have very little acceptance by either group.  Bisexual women?  You're just there to tease straight men and cheat on lesbians.  Bisexual men?  Oh stop it, you're just in the closet as a gay man.  Come out and you'll feel better.

 

I am NOT saying that all of my straight and LGTB brothers and sisters are like this.  Far from it, so please don't take my words that way.

 

Okay, now I'm getting depressed.  I think I'll listen to some upbeat music and hang out in the Dorian and Varric threads.  

 

I know this isn't really DAI related but the bold reminds me so much of when  told a friend about a bisexual male character I was writing and their response was "Don't you mean he's gay?" They got really confused when I mentioned he had a preference for men as well and corrected me saying something along the lines of "Men don't pretend to like both since they don't get as much attention as women do, so he's either gay or straight not both". I don't speak to that person any more. Ahem sorry for the derail there. Still find it curious that I do know a lot of people who either see bisexual's as 'sl*ts' or 'attention seekers' quite saddening (though might explain why I don't' know what the heck I am yet^^; )

[Former_Fiend]

For what it's worth, all my bisexual girlfriends have left me for other men. Just like all my straight girlfriends.

[Grieving Natashina]

For what it's worth, all my bisexual girlfriends have left me for other men. Just like all my straight girlfriends.

Then they are crappy people and you deserve better, regardless if the gal is bi or straight.  <hugs>

[karushna5]

I don't understand the concern from bisexual. There will probably be more bisexuals than any other orientation? I totally support bisexual representation, but I don't understand how anyone was implying they should be marginalized. Did I miss something?  

It is also how they have often been handled. In mass effect, the Asari are Bisexual more to suit straight men and the whole Sci Fi thing of space babe. Kelly was not a full romance, and a bit of a side character, and kaiden was cool, but he lacked the full fledgedness of any recognition unless you were a male shep who dated him.

 

In the other games, Silk Fox and Sky were very secretive and had less of an ending with someone of the same sex, requiring you to not show any attention to the romance options who were available to you of the opposite sex to even trigger it, which is really weird considering it is a bisexual LI, like the player character is straight or gay and then these bisexual LIs will make notice of one or the other.

Zevran once again shows it is not really a sexuality, but a "training". There is nothing wrong with wanting sex, even often, but the idea that that is the only way a Bisexual exists or "is created" is biphobic in the extreme. And in DA2, they were all Bi but had no mentions of anyone except with M!Hawke to imply that he only goes one way or another. leliana was really good representation, as was Isabela if the game had stopped insulting her for a few moments(sigh) but Bisexuals often have more representation than Gays/lesbians but often it comes with extreme baggage through a straight lens of either/or OR hedonist it rarely has representation FOR bisexuals. It usually is extra stuff for everyone but them.

[HuldraDancer]

So changing the subject a bit, Bioware said that the Inquiz will be the most expressive BW protagonist yet. I really hope we can roleplay a gushy love struck dummy X3

 

I second that, I know I"m going to have at least two PCs that are going to get a bit gushy/nervous around their LI especially when the attraction is first kicking in x3

[Grieving Natashina]

It is also how they have often been handled. In mass effect, the Asari are Bisexual more to suit straight men and the whole Sci Fi thing of space babe. Kelly was not a full romance, and a bit of a side character, and kaiden was cool, but he lacked the full fledgedness of any recognition unless you were a male shep who dated him.

 

In the other games, Silk Fox and Sky were very secretive and had less of an ending with someone of the same sex, requiring you to not show any attention to the romance options who were available to you of the opposite sex to even trigger it, which is really weird considering it is a bisexual LI, like the player character is straight or gay and then these bisexual LIs will make notice of one or the other.

Zevran once again shows it is not really a sexuality, but a "training". There is nothing wrong with wanting sex, even often, but the idea that that is the only way a Bisexual exists or "is created" is biphobic in the extreme. And in DA2, they were all Bi but had no mentions of anyone except with M!Hawke to imply that he only goes one way or another. leliana was really good representation, as was Isabela if the game had stopped insulting her for a few moments(sigh) but Bisexuals often have more representation than Gays/lesbians but often it comes with extreme baggage through a straight lens of either/or OR hedonist it rarely has representation FOR bisexuals. It usually is extra stuff for everyone but them.

You forgot Anders, that wouldn't even tell a female Hawke about Karl.  Otherwise, spot on.

[BioFan (Official)]

CHART TIME!!!

 

So if it is 2/4/2 then there's 1 more female and 2 more males. OBVIOUSLY (even if not 2/4/2 and just = gender ratio) there's only Vivienne left for the females so... I'd say she's a VERY VERY safe bet. 



And then IB and Blackwall look like the most likely candidates ATM. (Though you never know)

 

 

 

 

ALSO:

From Sheryl Chee:

 

This is a bit of a misconception. There is at least one character who is not a companion or an advisor whom you can flirt with. When Cameron said that there were eight romances, he was referring to eight romances within the companions and advisors.

 

[Former_Fiend]

Then they are crappy people and you deserve better, regardless if the gal is bi or straight.  <hugs>

 

Thought's appreciated, but don't be so sure it wasn't them who deserved better than me and happened to find it.

[In Exile]

It is also how they have often been handled. In mass effect, the Asari are Bisexual more to suit straight men and the whole Sci Fi thing of space babe. Kelly was not a full romance, and a bit of a side character, and kaiden was cool, but he lacked the full fledgedness of any recognition unless you were a male shep who dated him.

 

In the other games, Silk Fox and Sky were very secretive and had less of an ending with someone of the same sex, requiring you to not show any attention to the romance options who were available to you of the opposite sex to even trigger it, which is really weird considering it is a bisexual LI, like the player character is straight or gay and then these bisexual LIs will make notice of one or the other.

Zevran once again shows it is not really a sexuality, but a "training". There is nothing wrong with wanting sex, even often, but the idea that that is the only way a Bisexual exists or "is created" is biphobic in the extreme. And in DA2, they were all Bi but had no mentions of anyone except with M!Hawke to imply that he only goes one way or another. leliana was really good representation, as was Isabela if the game had stopped insulting her for a few moments(sigh) but Bisexuals often have more representation than Gays/lesbians but often it comes with extreme baggage through a straight lens of either/or OR hedonist it rarely has representation FOR bisexuals. It usually is extra stuff for everyone but them.

 

There's also Fenris's situation, where he was sexually abused by Danarius. I know that DA2 doesn't go in that direction, but I've certainly come across biphobic material related to preferences, sexual assault and ...

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It is also how they have often been handled. In mass effect, the Asari are Bisexual more to suit straight men and the whole Sci Fi thing of space babe. Kelly was not a full romance, and a bit of a side character, and kaiden was cool, but he lacked the full fledgedness of any recognition unless you were a male shep who dated him.

 

In the other games, Silk Fox and Sky were very secretive and had less of an ending with someone of the same sex, requiring you to not show any attention to the romance options who were available to you of the opposite sex to even trigger it, which is really weird considering it is a bisexual LI, like the player character is straight or gay and then these bisexual LIs will make notice of one or the other.

Zevran once again shows it is not really a sexuality, but a "training". There is nothing wrong with wanting sex, even often, but the idea that that is the only way a Bisexual exists or "is created" is biphobic in the extreme. And in DA2, they were all Bi but had no mentions of anyone except with M!Hawke to imply that he only goes one way or another. leliana was really good representation, as was Isabela if the game had stopped insulting her for a few moments(sigh) but Bisexuals often have more representation than Gays/lesbians but often it comes with extreme baggage through a straight lens of either/or OR hedonist it rarely has representation FOR bisexuals. It usually is extra stuff for everyone but them.

I am so with you on the Asari. They were an unfortunate creative choice.. for several reason. Zevran was also not great. I romanced Kaidan as male, so I'll take your word on that one. DA2 had some serious issues with bisexual erasure, imo. So, definitely, I see there have been a lot of problems and I hope they're improved this game. I feel like maybe this could be the one where DA (the more progressive team compared to ME) could really hit a good stride with representation. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I'm really hoping to see some decent characterization this time. That's what the gates are for, right? No more erasure or ambiguity, hopefully more organic portrayals of sexuality. We can hope! 

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

 

CHART TIME!!!

 

So if it is 2/4/2 then there's 1 more female and 2 more males. OBVIOUSLY (even if not 2/4/2 and just = gender ratio) there's only Vivienne left for the females so... I'd say she's a VERY VERY safe bet. 



And then IB and Blackwall look like the most likely candidates ATM. (Though you never know)

 

 

 

 

ALSO:

From Sheryl Chee:

 

This is a bit of a misconception. There is at least one character who is not a companion or an advisor whom you can flirt with. When Cameron said that there were eight romances, he was referring to eight romances within the companions and advisors.

 

 

Why is Blackwall suspected more than Viv and Solas?

[karushna5]

There's also Fenris's situation, where he was sexually abused by Danarius. I know that DA2 doesn't go in that direction, but I've certainly come across biphobic material related to preferences, sexual assault and ...

Yeah, there are ways I am sure that sexual assault can be used respectfully...BUT making grimdark backstory, or grimdark plotline for grimdark with absolutely no respect for the victims. But that is an issue that can make me leave the forums for weeks so lets just say I agree with you.

 

But yeah I realize Bisexuals are often treated as convenient extras than a legitimate sexuality. I mean I am a Butch Homoromantic Asexual so I get the whole not thought of as 'real'

[Grieving Natashina]

Thought's appreciated, but don't be so sure it wasn't them who deserved better than me and happened to find it.

Any woman that cheats on her boyfriend to find something better is going to lose out.  In time, they realized that they screwed up, and are going to cheat on that guy too.  It can lead to a never ending spiral.

 

I've met very few cheaters of either gender that actually stuck with the person that they cheated on their relationship with.   You're honestly better off without someone that's going to cheat on you.

 

There's also Fenris's situation, where he was sexually abused by Danarius. I know that DA2 doesn't go in that direction, but I've certainly come across biphobic material related to preferences, sexual assault and ...

Oh ffs....occasionally, I really hate people.  Just in general.

[BabyFratelli]

Thought's appreciated, but don't be so sure it wasn't them who deserved better than me and happened to find it.

 

You are a former fiend, correct? Therefore I'm sure you deserve Nata's hugs. 

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Some people have been suggesting Varric would be straight.

Well he tells male Hakws they're too high maintenance for him as well as female Hawkes soooo...

 

Also seriously 50 replies or is that a hiccup on the forums part? o-o

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Oh nevermind, I was responding on an old tab.

[Maria Caliban]

In the other games, Silk Fox and Sky were very secretive and had less of an ending with someone of the same sex, requiring you to not show any attention to the romance options who were available to you of the opposite sex to even trigger it, which is really weird considering it is a bisexual LI, like the player character is straight or gay and then these bisexual LIs will make notice of one or the other.

I consider this bad from a gameplay perspective but not weird from an in-game perspective.

In the real world, I am rarely going to hit on a women or admit an attraction if she's flirting with a man. Jade Empire can be assumed to be less forward thinking than our own world. Moreover, the story itself takes place over a couple of months.

I still criticize the design, but can easily see the characters reacting that way. Especially Silk Fox, who has never been with a woman before and seems to be a virgin.

I've met very few cheaters of either gender that actually stuck with the person that they cheated on their relationship with. You're honestly better off without someone that's going to cheat on you.

Alternatively, my first girlfriend cheated on me with a dude that she went on to marry.

My second girlfriend may or may not have cheated on me, but she dumped me and immediately started dating another women who she ended up living with for several years.

[Grieving Natashina]

You are a former fiend, correct? Therefore I'm sure you deserve Nata's hugs. 

D'aww, you're sweet. 

[BioFan (Official)]

Why is Blackwall suspected more than Viv and Solas?

 

Because during Raptr someone asked about his romance, and the dev response was "Soon"


 

[Kirie]

Why is Blackwall suspected more than Viv and Solas?

During the Raptr QA session:

"Q: Is Blackwall going to be romanceable?
A: Soon... (MD)"

 

"Soon" could mean just Bioware's normal "soon the info will be released" OR you could say he means that you can romance Blackwall "soon". 

 

Personally, I dunno. Could honestly be either at this point.

 

Edit:   

[Former_Fiend]

You are a former fiend, correct? Therefore I'm sure you deserve Nata's hugs. 

 

Retired, not reformed.

 

Anyway, back on topic, though I'm not sure the current topic is any more pleasant. 

 

I don't think Bioware's quite mastered the art of writing people with a history of sexual abuse. From Jack, to Fiona, to Fenris, there's always some nasty implications lurking under the surface.