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[Former_Fiend]

Not everyone is the type to lose their grudge, beliefs and perception after a single line of dialogs. In fact, that is cheap characterizations to never have companions having issues with the PC races in a world with so much racism.

 

Also, the LI aren't joining the Inquisition because they want to sleep with the Inquisitor, they have their own goals and they want to resolve the current crisis so they can return to their normal life.

 

They ain't joining the inquisition at all, with that attitude.

 

I don't need someone who's going to doubt ant double guess my judgment because I happen to have horns on my team.

[Xilizhra]

Not everyone is the type to lose their grudge, beliefs and perception after a single line of dialogs. In fact, that is cheap characterizations to never have companions having issues with the PC races in a world with so much racism.

 

Also, the LI aren't joining the Inquisition because they want to sleep with the Inquisitor, they have their own goals and they want to resolve the current crisis so they can return to their normal life.

The mere presence of a great deal of racism doesn't make the racism of anyone in particular any more morally acceptable.

[Wulfram]

I think the status and power of the Inquisitor should be enough to impress Vivienne no matter what shape their ears are.

[Grieving Natashina]

Varric's comments to Cassandra having a crush are in a major cutscene, whereas the Varric conversation where he mentions humans is not. His comments to Cassandra were very open for the player to see, and in an unskippable cutscene.

 

For Varric to mention he's not into humans, you have to be in a romance with Merrill, and pick the right option at just the right time in the dialogue tree.

 

 

Slightly different.  

 

 

[Xilizhra]

 

Varric's comments to Cassandra having a crush are in a major cutscene, whereas the Varric conversation where he mentions humans is not. His comments to Cassandra where very open for the player to see, and in an unskippable cutscene.

 

For Varric to mention he's not into humans, you have to be in a romance with Merrill, and pick the right option at just the right time in the dialogue tree.

 

 

Slightly different.

 

However, Varric is actually the one to mention it in that case, whereas Cassandra never says or implies anything about her orientation.

[Grieving Natashina]

However, Varric is actually the one to mention it in that case, whereas Cassandra never says or implies anything about her orientation.

I agree.

 

I still don't take Varric telling Cassandra that she has a crush/hero worship as an indication of her sexuality.  To me, that still tells me nothing about who she likes.  I don't doubt the writers, and I know she's straight, so I'm not arguing that.  

 

Still, a kiss on the cheek and the words another man picked to describe how she felt about Hawke isn't "proof" to me  about her sexuality anymore now than it was a month ago.

[azarhal]

The mere presence of a great deal of racism doesn't make the racism of anyone in particular any more morally acceptable.

 

Since when is Dragon Age all about being morally acceptable?

[Cat Fancy]

It would not be some unprecedented event if a love interest had a character flaw such as racism, or not being attracted to what may well be a member different species (can qunari reproduce with other humanoid races?). Weren't like half of the previous love interests murderers? I'd like to make it clear that I'm not pro-racism, but I judge murder much more harshly.

[javeart]

If she wants to prioritize things before love, that's fine. So long as she prioritizes those things before that same love with a human inquisitor.

 

He doesn't value love more just because with a human she finds no obstacles. Though I guess thinking that sucks if you're actually romancing her like a human, like "ok, she says she loves me but if in any moment I'm harming her career she's going to dump me"... But, well, sometimes things are just like that, you just don't know there's something more important than you for your partner until that particular something gets in the way... 

 

 

 

I think the status and power of the Inquisitor should be enough to impress Vivienne no matter what shape their ears are.

 

This argument though, I could agree with. But maybe she could say something like "well,, yes, now you're the inquisitor but six months from now, when ordered is restored, our relationship could come back to drag me down"... or something along the lines

[Gwydden]

Still, a kiss on the cheek and the words another man picked to describe how she felt about Hawke isn't "proof" to me  about her sexuality anymore now than it was a month ago.

I kiss women on the cheek all the time. Clearly that means I'm a sex crazed deviant.

 

Spoiler

I've realized it comes across as anachronistic though. It seems American girls are huggers.

 

Too. Much. Touching.

 

Personal. Space. Please.

 

Ahem. Sorry guys. Had to vent a bit.

[Ajna]

I kiss women on the cheek all the time. Clearly that means I'm a sex crazed deviant.

 

Spoiler

I've realized it comes across as anachronistic though. It seems American girls are huggers.

 

Too. Much. Touching.

 

Personal. Space. Please.

 

Ahem. Sorry guys. Had to vent a bit.

I'm not a very huggy person in reality, but I'll hug the **** out of my companions if you let me.

[Xilizhra]

He doesn't value love more just because with a human she finds no obstacles. Though I guess thinking that sucks if you're actually romancing her like a human, like "ok, she says she loves me but if in any moment I'm harming her carrer she's going to dump me"... But, well, sometimes it's like things are, you just don't know there's something more important than you for your partner until that particular something gets in the way... 

 

 

 

 

This argument though, I could agree with. But maybe she could say something like "well,, yes, now you're the inquisitor but six months from now, when ordered is restored, our relationship could come back to drag me down"... or something along the lines

Why even try to get her racegated? It doesn't make nearly as much sense as Varric and Iron Bull, who'd have legitimate animation issues.

[Former_Fiend]

Since when is Dragon Age all about being morally acceptable?

 

If we're running this organization, I think we get to decide what is and isn't morally acceptable.

 

 

It would not be some unprecedented event if a love interest had a character flaw such as racism, or not being attracted to what may well be a member different species (can qunari reproduce with other humanoid races?). Weren't like half of the previous love interests murderers? I'd like to make it clear that I'm not pro-racism, but I judge murder much more harshly.

 

I think it's going to be a rather shallow character flaw if a character's racism extends only to not wanting to bone an inquisitor of a given race. If they're racist against our inquisitor's race, that puts their ability to follow orders and not undermine our command into question. That undermines their value to the team. And as far as I'm concerned, that forfeits them their place on the team.

[daveliam]

 

I don't recall Anders having any lines about only being attracted to women.

 

I don't recall Cassandra having any lines about only being attracted to men.

 

In DA: A, he had ambiguous lines that suggested to some that he was straight, but was actually bisexual.

In DA 2, she had ambiguous lines that suggested to some that she was straight, and she was.

[javeart]

Why even try to get her racegated? It doesn't make nearly as much sense as Varric and Iron Bull, who'd have legitimate animation issues.

 

I  said it earlier, I just think it's better if the race gating is split between female and male LIs (even if it is not a big issue for me) I really don't care much if the one that is race-gated is she or Sera, or Cassandra (leaving out Josephine), but I think she's more likely.

[Xilizhra]

I  said it earlier, I just think it's better if the race gating is split between female and male LIs (even if it is not a big issue for me) I really don't care much if the one that is race-gated is she or Sera, or Cassandra (leaving out Josephine), but I think she's more likely.

There's no point in racegating someone without animation issues just for the sake of numerical balance, though. If that would have been the concern, they should have filled Vivienne's position with a dwarf.

[javeart]

There's no point in racegating someone without animation issues just for the sake of numerical balance, though. If that would have been the concern, they should have filled Vivienne's position with a dwarf.

 

I'm not actually sure what the animation issues are, tbh. Is it a problem of one be too big and the other too small, or is it a problem of making lots of different animations for each romance scene? I always assumed it was the latter. In any case, there would still be a qunari or a dwarve in the love scenes, even if the LI is a human, no?

[AlexisR]

I'm not actually sure what the animation issues are, tbh. Is it a problem of one be too big and the other too small, or is it a problem of making lots of different animations for each romance scene? I always assumed it was the latter. In any case, there would still be a qunari or a dwarve in the love scenes, even if the LI is a human, no?

 

The qunari or the dwarf isn't the problem. The qunari with the dwarf is the problem. As in, qunari!Inquisitor/Varric or dwarf!Inquisitor/Iron Bull are probably hard to animate in a way that doesn't look awkward. Therefore, race gates. Which is why Viv would have no technical need of race gates.

 

 

At least that's how I understood it. I may of course be wrong.

 

Edit: That said, I can easily see race gating one companion for the qunari/dwarf animation thing and race gating a second one to simply cut down on different animations. Would be kinda weird to only gate a single LI.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm not a very huggy person in reality, but I'll hug the **** out of my companions if you let me.

Not me, I'm a big hugger IRL, but I do know the concept of personal space.  

[Ajna]

Not me, I'm a big hugger IRL, but I do know the concept of personal space.  

<- Introvert.  I'm fine with hugging some people, just not everyone...that's completely different in games though!

[javeart]

The qunari or the dwarf isn't the problem. The qunari with the dwarf is the problem. As in, qunari!Inquisitor/Varric or dwarf!Inquisitor/Iron Bull are probably hard to animate in a way that doesn't look awkward. Therefore, race gates. Which is why Viv would have no technical need of race gates.

 

 

At least that's how I understood it. I may of course be wrong.

 

If that was the case, it's not that Vivienne doesn't need to be race-gated, but that we could take as confirmed that the 2 race-gated LIs, are IB and Varric, so we would have known it from the beginning (not me, which I don't understand much about it, but I'm sure there's people who does 

[Maria Caliban]

...is it a problem of making lots of different animations for each romance scene?

Yes.

[javeart]

Yes.

 

thanks!

[Grieving Natashina]

<- Introvert.  I'm fine with hugging some people, just not everyone...that's completely different in games though!

Don't worry my dear, I never hug without asking.

 

<--Extrovert, though that shouldn't be too big of a surprise.

[AlexisR]

If that was the case, it's not that Vivienne doesn't need to be race-gated, but that we could take as confirmed that the 2 race-gated LIs, are IB and Varric, so we would have known from the beginning (not me, which I don't understand much about it, but I'm sure there's people who does 

 

See my edit.

 

Edit: That said, I can easily see race gating one companion for the qunari/dwarf animation thing and race gating a second one to simply cut down on different animations. Would be kinda weird to only gate a single LI.

 

I kinda don't think it's just to cut down on different animations, because then they could have just skipped a LI entirely. But if they had to gate IB, then gating someone else saves them different animations and it looks less weird to have two gated LIs instead of a single one out of eight.