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[Sporothrix]

How awesome would it be to have a DLC where we go to Tevinter and meet up with Mae?  To have a truly transgendered character, not a love interest, not working in a brothel, but working & fighting alongside us...instead of being the 'other'.  I loved how it was completely NOT an issue in the comic.  Plus, Mae rocks!!!

Didn't read comics, but from what I see on the net, she is basically drawn like a man in drag, I see even a shot on her naked male chest, in which suddenly, compared with the other portrayals, she gained some musculature, apparently to make it look like 'under all those clothes, she's actually a man'. Could you guys give some insight, because judging from those drawings alone it doesn't look too respectful.

[Char]

Yeah you don't want to drop on the player without finding someway to reveal to him/her about their actual gender. The characters has to be believable and well written as well not stereotypes.

A trans* person is whatever gender they identify as. It may not match up with their biological sex, but a trans* woman is just as much a woman as a cis woman. Neuroscience studies have even shown that the brains of trans* womn are more similar to cis women than cis men and vice versa.

I know that's not exactly what you mean however, but I can't be the only person that thinks that by the time you're in a deep loving relationship with someone their particular set of genitals should not be the most important consideration?

[Ajna]

Thing is trust works both ways since I am required to trust that a person is being honest instead of deliberately deceitful, it does not matter if a Male Trans looks like a Woman,thinks of themself as a Woman and Dresses like a Woman,unless they have had surgery to remove the relevant parts then they are still a man and if they have told me that they are a woman then they have been intentionally deceitful.

 

If they are merely talking to me like anyone else would then not telling me they are trans is not an issue, if however they are making a more intimate proposition then it does matter.Like I said it works both ways treat others as you would like to be treated yourself,if you expect others to be honest with you then you should in turn be honest with others 

And how would you feel if it was just a friendship arc?  Not an LI. 

[Slukers]

Here's my thoughts on the remaining LIs, in order of how likely I think they are to get a slot;

 

Iron Bull

 

There have been enough hints over Twitter for me to think this is happening. I'll be surprised if he doesn't get a slot. It's mostly just that. I also think he makes a lot of sense as a gated LI, though, and we need a gated male. Neither Solas or Blackwall makes much sense as a gated LI, from what we know, and I think they're more likely than Varric for the other slot.

 

Vivienne

 

I think the gender and sexuality counts will be equal with some races getting less options, so I think she's in by default. I also think she makes the most sense out of the women to be race gated, which we'll likely have. I think it's a bit silly that people say she's "too ambitious" to be an LI. People realizing that work isn't everything is a pretty standard romance plot. That's not even to touch on the fact that the vast majority of our companions are "ambitious". Otherwise, they probably wouldn't be in this line of work. Dorian is trying to change an entire country, Cassandra started the Inquisition. These aren't ambitious people? 

 

Solas 

 

It's close with him and Blackwall, but I'm leaning towards Solas. He better balances against the other options. Iron Bull, Cullen and Blackwall are all warrior types. Not just in class, but in personality. They approach things from a specific perspective. Solas is a decent contrast, both physically and in personality. So, I'm going to guess it's him.

 

Blackwall

 

I wont be totally shocked if it's him, but I think he may be more of a mentor type. That's how his archetype is usually set up. They also might not consider someone close to their calling as a good option, since Thane's illness in ME was not well received. I could see him as being like Wynne with a better sense of humor.

 

Varric

 

I think there are several reasons he doesn't fit. He's not well conceived as a bisexual LI and I believe the remaining will be bisexual. His characterization would have to change a lot for him to not come out extremely slanted towards women, which isn't totally fair to guys. He's said before that he didn't like humans and I think it's less likely both gated options will be males. I'm also doubtful they'll gate against the most popular race (humans) in favor of the least popular race (dwarves). Then there's the obvious Bianca situation, which I think we could be solving this game. It seems very possible that he will be reuniting with Bianca.

 

I'm with you apart from the Varric comments. I can totally see them doing a "reunite with Bianca" thing, but if that doesn't happen, then he could easily be another bisexual LI. It isn't like he hasn't flirted with men before (Hawke). Just because his first love was female doesn't mean he isn't sexually attracted to both men and women. We've also all talked about his lack of attraction to humans being up for debate. I'm okay with bi or straight, but I can see bi for him. As for being race gated, who knows? They've already said that not everyone will have equal options, so we shouldn't assume that everyone will have equal options.

 

And its been 2.5 games already without a dwarf, despite lots of dwarf characters- PC's, and companions. Would't it be weird to have a Qunari romance first? Or one without also have a dwarf option?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

On the "how do we know if they're trans if they're not an LI" thing, what if they're a young noble or something similar that's expected to live a specific role? It might come up when we meet them, from their family disapproving, etc.

 

Or they could just use Mae, since we know a good bit about her already. Or a demon could blab their secret, because demons are into that sort of thing. 

[ClassicBox]

Here's my thoughts on the remaining LIs, in order of how likely I think they are to get a slot;

 

*snip*

 

This is what I'm thinking too. : ) I'm not going to put a guess on race-gating yet but definitely thinking it will be Viv/Iron Bull/Solas. Blackwall seems like a tragic romance (even friendship) already and Varric will probably have a resolution point/coming to terms with Bianca. Although Bioware never ceases to surprise me! x3

[JadePrince]

Thing is trust works both ways since I am required to trust that a person is being honest instead of deliberately deceitful, it does not matter if a Male Trans looks like a Woman,thinks of themself as a Woman and Dresses like a Woman,unless they have had surgery to remove the relevant parts then they are still a man and if they have told me that they are a woman then they have been intentionally deceitful.

 

If they are merely talking to me like anyone else would then not telling me they are trans is not an issue, if however they are making a more intimate proposition then it does matter.Like I said it works both ways treat others as you would like to be treated yourself,if you expect others to be honest with you then you should in turn be honest with others 

 

Everything you said is just... super gross. Transwomen are NOT men. They are women. If they tell you they are women, they are not deceiving you. 

 

You have to earn trust. A trans person is not likely (or obligated to) introduce that part of their identity first thing. They aren't going to 'trap' you, either. For pete's sake. 

 

I'm done though. All these comments are just proof of why games (and other media) NEED to include positive portrayals of trans characters, because so many people still know nothing about it and have all these incorrect ideas about what being trans means.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Every other romance gives you chances early in the dialogue to back out, so I don't see why a trans one would be any different.  Zevran doesn't have the awkward conversation about his bisexuality after you jump in the tent with him, it comes up almost right away.  It would make no sense for them to write it in a way that it catches the player by surprise, so I don't see any reason to worry about that.

I'm not worrying. I was just stating how I would prefer it to happen. I know they will reveal that near the beginning of the relationship. 

[Ryzaki]

In the first case, why would they? In the second case, why would they before it became serious? Unless the topic of transgender rights comes up and it might become personally relevant, it seems like it'd come out of nowhere.

 

Because people talk about things with people close to them? Much the same way the other companions talk to the PC about the influential things that happened in their lives? I'm not sure why being trans has to come out of nowhere in a romance.

[Fizzie Panda]

I just realized with 8 romances, they're doubling the amount of romances in all of Dragon Age! (Don't count Sebastian) ((Dont))

[Ryzaki]

I'm not worrying. I was just stating how I would prefer it to happen. I know they will reveal that near the beginning of the relationship. 

 

Exactly. That to me would be a positive portrayal. I see little to no reason it wouldn't be a part of their friendship arc like every other companions influences are.

[godModeAlpha]

Great discussion guys & gals, surprisingly civil.

I'd like to add that adding transgender characters is a positive move by Bioware. At the same time, Bioware should and likely would not take for granted that fans and players are a diverse bunch.

Generally players should know what they are getting into.

[Vegeta 77]

I would rather bioware not trick me in a romance and put there company in a worse light and people trust them even less. i would be ok with it but bioware should have respect for people who are uncomfortable with this and tell them who it is before the game comes out.

[Xilizhra]

Because people talk about things with people close to them? Much the same way the other companions talk to the PC about the influential things that happened in their lives? I'm not sure why being trans has to come out of nowhere in a romance.

I'm not exactly pleased with the notion that information like this is owed to anyone; that's my biggest issue.

[JadePrince]

You know sexuality isn't restricted to gender, right?

 

Yes? What that does that have to do with anything? That person was making the comment that a transwoman would be 'trapping' a straight man by not telling him that she is a man. I made the point that she is NOT a man, and therefore would not be somehow taking advantage or manipulating his attraction to women.

 

Again, though, this is veering off topic. 

 

I just think it would be amazing to have a trans companion some day. *shrugs*

[Urazz]

Okay, this is a topic about romance in DAI and not a topic about transgendered people.  As far as we know there are no love interests that are transgendered so if you guys really feel the need to discuss it constantly and in such detail, then make a separate topic for it.

[Xilizhra]

Okay, this is a topic about romance in DAI and not a topic about transgendered people.  As far as we know there are no love interests that are transgendered so if you guys really feel the need to discuss it constantly and in such detail, then make a separate topic for it.

I don't know, some of us were wondering about Josephine.

[Feybrad]

I have a very simple Opinion on the Matter of (trans-)sexuality: As long as I can completely ignore the Fact that they are (trans)sexual, I am totally fine with that. I just don't like Characters who placate their Sexuality into my Face. Doesn't matter which Sexuality - I don't like Isabela very much just like I don't like Zevran very much and even Morrigan's Choice of Clothing plays at least a Role of my Dislike for her. And yes, I'm a straight male. Still don't like to be tittilated or constantly reminded by Characters that "hey, I'm hetero", "Hey, I'm gay", "Hey, I'm lesbian", "Hey, I'm whatever" or "Hey, I jump into Bed with anyone that doesn't run away fast enough".

[DisturbedJim83]

And how would you feel if it was just a friendship arc?  Not an LI. 

If it was just friendship wouldn't bother me at all,tbh I wouldn't even ask as its not important to know since It would not make a difference as a friendship,If they wanted a relationship being a straight man then yes I want to know.If I found out after things got physical,then how could I ever trust that person again on the grounds that they mislead me in order to get something from me that could not have been obtained otherwise.

 

Now if that person said "hey I'm interested in you I'm transgender" then I'd at least have the chance to politely say "i'm not interested".

[Ryzaki]

I'm not exactly pleased with the notion that information like this is owed to anyone; that's my biggest issue.

 

And I'm not exactly pleased with the notion of having it sprung on someone a good deal into the romance that's my biggest issue.

 

But anyway on topic I just want the last 3 Lis revealed. I want the chart. *grabby hands*

[godModeAlpha]

I don't know, some of us were wondering about Josephine.

Lol. Why?

[Vapaa]

I'm not exactly pleased with the notion that information like this is owed to anyone; that's my biggest issue.

 

It is owed at least for a potential LI, but more generally sharing very personal information with a close friend is a mark of trust.

[DeusGoddess5010]

Everything you said is just... super gross. Transwomen are NOT men. They are women. If they tell you they are women, they are not deceiving you. 

 

You have to earn trust. A trans person is not likely (or obligated to) introduce that part of their identity first thing. They aren't going to 'trap' you, either. For pete's sake. 

 

I'm done though. All these comments are just proof of why games (and other media) NEED to include positive portrayals of trans characters, because so many people still know nothing about it and have all these incorrect ideas about what being trans means.

I think he or she was referring to the trans sex=body they are born with] then thier gender. Transwomen are not men by gender but biologically in terms of sex if not a intersex fertile or not then yes they are male. Its similar to say a therian, human body but not human internally.