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#11476
fizzypop

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My point is that she seems to have breasts, so she's either a biological woman or a post-OP transwoman.

Actually many transwomen have breasts (can get them naturally as well through hormones) without getting the genital surgery. I have dated a transwoman and her breasts were natural and produced through hormones. Surgery is not necessary to look like a woman.



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Ailith Tycane

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I didn't mean it's not possible to be a transwoman without a sex change. I was referring to the possibilities of Josephine being one, since if she's one she likely had a sex change.

 

The only detailed photos we've seen of her are from the neck up, so there's no possible way you could know that.

 

Also I seriously doubt she is transsexual, but who knows. 



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You do not have to be post-op to be a transwoman. In fact, transwomen often get their identity changed to represent as a woman long before they even have surgery if ever. If you live your life as a woman, you are in fact a woman.

Honest question, what on earth does that mean? How do you "life your life as a woman"? And how is it different from living your life as a man?

 

I don't know a lot about transexuals or the science behind it or anything, but I never understood that. Instead of backing the feminists and trying to tear down gender roles, it sounds like you are just reinforcing them.



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Food for thought, if I sign up to a dating site, I would like to know the that the person in the picture is not creating a false impression

It would be dishonest not letting me know, especially when my sexual orientation is clearly known.

Am I to blame for assuming that the relationship I was getting into would not meet my expectation ... No.
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This is a fantasy world. If they wanted they could introduce body swapping or extreme shapeshifting.

 

That was my point. It's apparently possible to transform into swarm of insects, but magical sex change is impossible? And in addition to that, as you mentioned, soul relocation, which also should be completely possible.

 

So why Mae, being Tevinter Magister, looks like she looks like?



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Josephine is a woman. She identifies as a woman and has woman parts since she was brought into Thedas by her mother. 

There, we're done now. 

 

Now then, let's get back on topic. 


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I am guessing either Ironbull, Viv or Solas will be the last 3 romance options. Tho idk why, but hopefuly Varric, he needs the love haha

I will reunite Varric and Bianca even if I have to raze Thedas to the ground!



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So just randomly cutting in here but what makes people think Josephine transgendered? *not that there is anything wrong with that if she is*

 

 

 

 

(Sorry I don't want to read through 200 pages)



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Though of course I don't think Jo is a transwoman. I don't think bioware is going to do that at this point in time.



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So just randomly cutting in here but what makes people think Josephine transgendered? *not that there is anything wrong with that if she is*

 

 

 

 

(Sorry I don't want to read through 200 pages)

Absolutely nothing. It is a hypothetical by someone who wanted to know what people would think. 



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I agree with everything you said, but I have some doubts if Bioware could actually handle it in respectful way. Judging from the example of Mae, the only trans character they are possibly going to provide is basically, for people who don't know much about this stuff, crossdresser. We know it has nothing to do with it, but for them, if the character does nothing to change their body (apparently because, unlike in our world's situation, they simply can't), the line could be blurry. And unfortunately it fuels transphobic sentiments. Besides, as I've seen, generally trans people (women especially) really don't like when people of opposite gender play them in movies or shows.

 

A trans woman who has not had surgery is still a woman.  If it's made clear in the characterization that she identifies as female (or that he identifies as male; I don't know why everybody assumes this hypothetical character would be a trans woman instead of a trans man), rather than merely being a man who likes to put on women's clothes sometimes, then that should be evident in her clothing, her voice, her mannerisms. 

 

The issue with portrayal of trans characters, that I can see, is that they are usually either shown as playing a part (i.e. actually a drag queen) or they are so over-the-top bad at passing as their portrayed gender that they're seen as funny and grotesque.  I agree that it would be more difficult to avoid these harmful tropes with a character whose gender does not match the body people expect her to have, but if handled respectfully I think the writers could pull it off. 


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The thing is, what people want to know, and what people have a right to know are two different things. It's not OK to make trans* people pass a genital check in order to be 'worthy' of sexual contact because you wouldn't do it to a cis person. Someones genitalia are the most private parts of their body and are generally only shown under intimate circumstances.

 

But there comes a point in a relationship when people do have a right to know. Ultimately, if I were to unknowingly enter into a relationship with a transgender woman I would feel I deserved the right to know and the right choose whether to pursue the relationship further. I'm not expecting a woman to announce this on a first date however - I guess the timing is relationship specific.



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That was my exact point, even if they perceive themselves as a woman,biologically speaking they are a man though I suppose i did not say it quite so eloquently which i suppose explains the heated response i got oh well......I have TG friends who once they had known me for long enough revealed to me that they were TG and I'm ok with that because they know I'm straight and all they ever wanted was a friend not intimate relationship.

I think some people are just on edge when it comes to these things, and snap at the slightist misinterpretation, instead flame, just inform, if one is willing to really want to understand



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Honest question, what on earth does that mean? How do you "life your life as a woman"? And how is it different from living your life as a man?

 

I don't know a lot about transexuals or the science behind it or anything, but I never understood that. Instead of backing the feminists and trying to tear down gender roles, it sounds like you are just reinforcing them.

 

It works like this.

 

"I feel like a woman, I want to be identified as a woman by others, I'm going to live my life as a woman."

 

Simple. 


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Food for thought, if I sign up to a dating site, I would like to know the that the person in the picture is not creating a false perception.
It would be dishonest not letting me know, especially when my sexual orientation is clearly known.
Am I to blame for assuming that the relationship I was getting into would not meet my expectation ... No.

If your orientation stated clearly "I am only interested in people born with vaginas"
As opposed to "I am only interested in women"
Then yes, you could conceivably think a trans* woman had deceived you. Otherwise the onus is on you to realise that you are a person who defines a woman/man by their genitalia primarily.
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I will reunite Varric and Bianca even if I have to raze Thedas to the ground!

....this HURTS me!


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Actually many transwomen have breasts (can get them naturally as well through hormones) without getting the genital surgery. I have dated a transwoman and her breasts were natural and produced through hormones. Surgery is not necessary to look like a woman.

 
As for sex change, we don't know if people access to hormones. Didn't know about the natural part, so Thanks :)

The only detailed photos we've seen of her are from the neck up, so there's no possible way you could know that.
 
Also I seriously doubt she is transsexual, but who knows.

The one in the April trialer seems enough detailed to me.
I'll drop this now, though again, I apologize if it seems I was insulting transgenders.

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The only detailed photos we've seen of her are from the neck up, so there's no possible way you could know that.
 
Also I seriously doubt she is transsexual, but who knows.


See a lot of her in the comics, the one with Alister + Isabella + Varric.

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Honest question, what on earth does that mean? How do you "life your life as a woman"? And how is it different from living your life as a man?

 

I don't know a lot about transexuals or the science behind it or anything, but I never understood that. Instead of backing the feminists and trying to tear down gender roles, it sounds like you are just reinforcing them.

It means different things to different people. For many it means changing their name, getting their ID to say "F" instead of "M", dressing in clothes commonly seen as female clothing (though I got issues with that idea too.), having others view them as women, etc etc.



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So just randomly cutting in here but what makes people think Josephine transgendered? *not that there is anything wrong with that if she is*

 

 

 

 

(Sorry I don't want to read through 200 pages)

 

It started as a joke, that had absolutly nothing to do with transexuality, but for some reason, some people took it as an implication that she was transexual.



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Ailith Tycane

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See a lot of her in the comics, the one with Alister + Isabella + Varric.

 

We're talking about Josephine (Scribbles.)



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It started as a joke, that had absolutly nothing to do with it, but some people took it as an implication that she was transexual.

Actually, that was just the one I made; the initial hypothetical came earlier.



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Maybe some day we'll get back to talking about romances instead of... this. 


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It works like this.

 

"I feel like a woman, I want to be identified as a woman by others, I'm going to live my life as a woman."

 

Simple.

What about females?