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#12051
josipa24

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I'd prefer to have the option to make the PC transsexual instead of having a transsexual companion. I always wanted to give my male Hawke some hairdo and makeup  from the female models.

 

 

Or give us the option to choose a male voice as a woman and vice versa. I have a gender queer friend who already asked me if that's sth they could do in this game.


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Another relevant question on this topic is "If a transexual person is included, should they be a "passable" trans (meaning they can pass easily for their mental sex) or a non passable one?"  If they are passable, it seems to remove a lot of the discomfort, and thus means people don't have to mentally deal with the issue as much.  If they *aren't* passable, you run a very large risk of people having strong negative reactions and to the trans character being much more stereotypical.  

 

This is one reason I keep coming up on the side of "transgender player character" with potentially several different kinds of transgender NPCs rather than just 1 transgender LI. 



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Another relevant question on this topic is "If a transexual person is included, should they be a "passable" trans (meaning they can pass easily for their mental sex) or a non passable one?"  If they are passable, it seems to remove a lot of the discomfort, and thus means people don't have to mentally deal with the issue as much.  If they *aren't* passable, you run a very large risk of people having strong negative reactions and to the trans character being much more stereotypical.  

 

This is one reason I keep coming up on the side of "transgender player character" with potentially several different kinds of transgender NPCs rather than just 1 transgender LI. 

I don't think "passable" will really annoy anyone, so we may as well go for that.



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If we had a transgender LI, "passable" would be my vote as well, but I admit this is at least partially motivated by the fact that I would personally find "non-passable" rather off-putting, at least as LI.  I wouldn't really care if they were just a character or companion that happened to be present.  That raises the question of whether this is more about inclusion or representation or both.  If it's just inclusion, the transgender player character is about as inclusive as it gets. If it's about representation, trying to make the transgender person as unobtrusive as possible seems counterproductive.   



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I believe this can fit into the other romance thread, but anyway I want to romance Vivienne, but if she's not available then Josephine, on my first playthrough.

I'm happy to see Vivianne love, I thought she wasn't as well received as other companions :3

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I understand your point, to be sure; the main issue is that it so frequently comes with the reasoning of "ick, I don't want to get any transsexuals on me," so we're leery of it.

I really don't think where people want or don't want their genitals is anyone's business but their own. I've come to realize is not a popular opinion, but I still disagree with people getting all judgmental about a guy having sex with his sister, or about a guy not wanting to have sex or date a certain group of (usually downtrodden) people. Sure, maybe that person has issues. Maybe they don't. Either way, it's the same: No one gets to say to others who they should or shouldn't date, much less who they are intimate with.

 

I don't have an overly complex moral system. I work by a simple rule. Everyone's free to do what they want as long as it is not in detriment of someone else. This means that, yes, trans people should be allowed to be themselves and treated with respect. But it also means the same applies to those who for one reason or the other don't want to date trans people. You're certainly free to say people like that are wrong, and I would encourage you to make your case... with a minimum of insults and condescension if you want to be listened to.


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but I still disagree with people getting all judgmental about a guy having sex with his sister

 

Oh gad... common even this sort of logic is illegal, and would set this thread off on a tangent.

 

Edit: We are free to do as we please, but when other people are affected then freedom comes at a cost.

 

Lets calm down.



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Oh gad... common even this sort of logic is illegal, and would set this thread off on a tangent

*Sigh*

 

Then I suggest no one comments on it.

 

Also, I have no idea where you're from, but don't assume it's illegal everywhere.

We are free to do as we please, but when other people are affected then freedom comes at a cost.

 

Lets calm down.

Which is... exactly what I said?

 

And I agree. I have no intention of starting a flame war.


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I'm happy to see Vivianne love, I thought she wasn't as well received as other companions :3

Yes, she seems to have gotten some hostility directed toward her. I'm looking forward to getting to know her, and if I like her, I'll definitely make an inquisitor if she is a romance option.



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I have to ask - did anyone ever imagine we could even have a discussion about having a transgendered person in a video game? This right here makes me happy...reasonable debate about something that just a few years ago would've probably never been brought up, let alone given any considered thought.  Whatever side you take on the issue of a transgendered companion or LI, I am just amazed and proud of this community that this is possible. 

 

Not that it's all that relevant, but I am a straight woman.  I just feel that love is love and the rest is details.  <3


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*Sigh*

 

Then I suggest no one comments on it.

 

Also, I have no idea where you're from, but don't assume it's illegal everywhere.

 

 

Fair point, I understand in certain cultures it's ok. I was more concerned about the culture in our forum ;)



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Xilizhra

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I really don't think where people want or don't want their genitals is anyone's business but their own. I've come to realize is not a popular opinion, but I still disagree with people getting all judgmental about a guy having sex with his sister, or about a guy not wanting to have sex or date a certain group of (usually downtrodden) people. Sure, maybe that person has issues. Maybe they don't. Either way, it's the same: No one gets to say to others who they should or shouldn't date, much less who they are intimate with.

 

I don't have an overly complex moral system. I work by a simple rule. Everyone's free to do what they want as long as it is not in detriment of someone else. This means that, yes, trans people should be allowed to be themselves and treated with respect. But it also means the same applies to those who for one reason or the other don't want to date trans people. You're certainly free to say people like that are wrong, and I would encourage you to make your case... with a minimum of insults and condescension if you want to be listened to.

They have a right to, yes... but the transperson in question also has a right to not divulge information that's not legally required for them to divulge. It may be a bad idea, but so then is much of what you mentioned (even if I don't think that incest is necessarily a problem if there aren't age or power issues).



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Apologize for my ignorance, but a question for people who have experience with this topic, either due to being trans or know someone who is.

Is Mae a good or bad representation? 



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They have a right to, yes... but the transperson in question also has a right to not divulge information that's not legally required for them to divulge. It may be a bad idea, but so then is much of what you mentioned (even if I don't think that incest is necessarily a problem if there aren't age or power issues).

I didn't claim a transperson is obligated to divulge anything to a partner. I can see why they wouldn't, even though I think it's a terrible idea.



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Apologize for my ignorance, but a question for people who have experience with this topic, either due to being trans or know someone who is.

Is Mae a good or bad representation? 

Maevaris is a good representation for someone who had no access to surgery or hormones, but made the most of it.



#12066
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Maevaris is a good representation for someone who had no access to surgery or hormones, but made the most of it.

Cool. I'd like to see her pop up in an expansion or something.



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nuclearpengu1nn

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So out of curiosity. Does anyone know who are the confirmed romances for straight male inquisitors?



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So out of curiosity. Does anyone know who are the confirmed romances for straight male inquisitors?

 

Cassandra and Josephine



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Scribbles (Josephine) and Cassandra.  Nobody else has been confirmed. 



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nuclearpengu1nn

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Cassandra and Josephine

aww i was hoping sera and leliana would be in the list  :(



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aww i was hoping sera and leliana would be in the list  :(

 

Sera is a lesbian and Leliana is off-limits to everyone.



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These things all affect you. Them being transgender does not affect you in any way. Therefore it is none of your business.

It does if one wants a family or sexually only interested in cis/biological by birth people



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nuclearpengu1nn

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Sera is a lesbian and Leliana is off-limits to everyone.

 

-_- this is sad news for me



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Sera, Sera, SERA 



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DeusGoddess5010

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-_- this is sad news

Upside she still loves your Warden and thier is Cassandra or Viv if a romance options