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[Grieving Natashina]

It's also possible to just flirt with him there and then never follow up with any more romance responses so the romance never triggers.  I did this a few times. 

Yes, but that would have been too easy for some...

 

That's what I do on my runs where Anders isn't a LI.  I don't like sounding like a jerk to him automatically, so I accept the one flirt.  I headcanon thinking that Hawke appreciated the compliment, flirted back...and then I rp it to where Hawke actually takes Anders advice seriously and decided not to get involved.  

[DeusGoddess5010]

In the post you liked, the sole issue was based on transphobic sentiments, it had nothing to do with sexual orientation (since the argument was basically about being "tricked" into feeling attraction to such character), but with belief that trans woman is a man, and trans man - a woman.

Its not transphobic if someone is not attracted or into certain gender or sex,. Thought that post was expressed that to thier own,I guess its a opinion, but once again when one says transwomen is a man, they r referring to her sex is male or body she was[born] with. You cannot change that.

[Ryzaki]

Certain motivations behind it are frequently illegitimate.

 

That said, I'm fine with it, provided the option to turn them down will have nothing to do with being trans.

 

...um if the reason the PC isn't into them is because they're trans why on earth should that not be an option to turn them down for that? That doesn't have to be said in a rude tone.

[Sporothrix]

Its not transphobic if someone is not attracted or into certain gender or sex,. Thought that post was expressed that to thier own,

 

In this discussion we refer to the situation when that someone is initially attracted to the the trans person in question, so apparently his or her sexual orientation did the math and assessed that person as a member of desired gender, but then, freaking out because "eww, dude is really a lady (or vice versa)".

[Xilizhra]

Why must the option to turn them down having nothing to do with them being trans? A very polite rejection stating why would be fine. As long as it isn't like the Anders thing, it should be fine. Shepard turned people down, and Shep could be hostile or not about it.

Because I see nothing to gain by allowing the players to be asshats. The only exception to that I can think of would involve explicitly talking about certain sets of genitalia being a complete turnoff, and I don't know if that could be added.

 

This I can't get behind.  I can turn down gay characters in the game because "I'm not into people of my same sex aka I'm not into gay."  What's the difference in that and turning them down because "I'm not into trans"?

Because antitranssexuality isn't an orientation.

[Sporothrix]

...um if the reason the PC isn't into them is because they're trans why on earth should that not be an option to turn them down for that? That doesn't have to be said in a rude tone.

 

There should always be an option to turn someone down, but I wanted to make a note here that if the sole reason they're not into them is because they're trans, not because they don't find them attractive for other reasons (so, for the sake of this argument, the trans character shouldn't be like Mae, but should undergo some sort of magical sex change), then it's only about transphobic sentiments that trans men are really women, and trans women - men.

[DeusGoddess5010]

Because I see nothing to gain by allowing the players to be asshats. The only exception to that I can think of would involve explicitly talking about certain sets of genitalia being a complete turnoff, and I don't know if that could be added.

 

Because antitranssexuality isn't an orientation.

Kinda is since gender and sex are two diff things. So its the same when someone same am not into trans

[DeusGoddess5010]

In this discussion we refer to the situation when that someone is initially attracted to the the trans person in question, so apparently his or her sexual orientation did the math and assessed that person as a member of desired gender, but then, freaking out because "eww, dude is really a lady (or vice versa

Ahh the reaction and response to it

[godModeAlpha]

Pardon my random jiba jaba here, what happened to the thread name?

[Grieving Natashina]

Pardon my random jiba jaba here, what happened to the thread name?

I don't know, ask Allan.  He's the OP.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Pardon my random jiba jaba here, what happened to the thread name?

Allan edited it. 

[godModeAlpha]

I don't know, ask Allan.  He's the OP.  

  

Allan edited it.

So he's lurking and not locked it yet, that's always a good sign that the thread has not been derailed.

[Ryzaki]

There should always be an option to turn someone down, but I wanted to make a note here that if the sole reason they're not into them is because they're trans, not because they don't find them attractive for other reasons (so, for the sake of this argument, the trans character shouldn't be like Mae, but should undergo some sort of magical sex change), then it's only about transphobic sentiments that trans men are really women, and trans women - men.

 

And where in the DA setting are there magical gender bender transformations that aren't done by powerful abominations that may or may not even be human? Even Morrigan admits her human form is her only one. (seriously I want to know if I missed something).

[Sporothrix]

And where in the DA setting are there magical gender bender transformations that aren't done by powerful abominations that may or may not even be human? Even Morrigan admits her human form is her only one. (seriously I want to know if I missed something).

 

Wizard did it.

[Xilizhra]

So me saying "I'm sorry I can't emotionally deal with that" is never a legitimate reason to turn someone down?

Well, if your issue is neither genitalia nor a burning desire to have biological children, it's certainly a reason to do some soul-searching and figure out why you feel that way.

 

 

Is this what trans people want? To be perceived as something else? Or do they wish to be perceived as trans specifically.. and then accepted as something else?

 

Sorry.. I'm just confused.

It varies by individual. And the "transgender" category includes more than just transsexuality.

[Ryzaki]

Wizard did it.

 

Uh yeah which wizard would be nice.

[Saberchic]

Because I see nothing to gain by allowing the players to be asshats. The only exception to that I can think of would involve explicitly talking about certain sets of genitalia being a complete turnoff, and I don't know if that could be added.

 

Because antitranssexuality isn't an orientation.

You don't have to be mean about it. but the option should still be there. If gay/straight characters can get turned down, then so should trans people.

[Sporothrix]

Kinda is since gender and sex are two diff things. So its the same when someone same am not into trans

 

For me not really, in my native language there is one and the same word for both (and I have some troubles with understanding those apparent differences between those terms - BTW, there are separated terms transgender and transsexual).

 

Besides, it's about situation that the trans character did undergo magical sex change.

[Sporothrix]

Uh yeah which wizard would be nice.

 

Gaider? Or whoever would be head writer.

[Ryzaki]

For me not really, in my native language there is one and the same word for both (and I have some troubles with understanding those apparent differences between those terms - BTW, there are separated terms transgender and transsexual).

 

Besides, it's about situation that the trans character did undergo magical sex change.

 

So basically you're arguing that if something should happen that hasn't even been shown possible in the setting for anyone that's not a freaking ancient and powerful witch/abomination/dragonladysomething should happen to a human/dwarf/qunari/elf companion the PC shouldn't be able to reject them for being trans? Am I reading your argument correctly?

[Gwydden]

Well, if your issue is neither genitalia nor a burning desire to have biological children, it's certainly a reason to do some soul-searching and figure out why you feel that way.

Maybe the person in question won't be able to deal with the fact that their lover wasn't always of their current gender.

 

Maybe someone has deep seated religious beliefs that are incompatible with such a partner.

 

Maybe someone doesn't want to deal with the social stigma of being with a transsexual. Cowardly? Probably, but most people don't want complications out of a relationship.

 

Maybe someone is an intolerant asshat, and the transperson in question would be better off without him/her.

 

Maybe there are a thousand other reasons neither you nor me can think of right now, and we would be better off not making assumptions?