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For me not really, in my native language there is one and the same word for both (and I have some troubles with understanding those apparent differences between those terms - BTW, there are separated terms transgender and transsexual).
Besides, it's about situation that the trans character did undergo magical sex change.
It various culture to cultutre and indivisual to indivisual, but biology is universal if truth is subjective i guess
You don't have to be mean about it. but the option should still be there. If gay/straight characters can get turned down, then so should trans people.
The vital difference is that you're turning down people who don't match your orientation because of your own orientation, not because of their nature.
What you seem to be asking for is to deny me the capacity to even *admit* I feel this way. In effect to remove any possibility of rejection as illegitimate other than "I'm not into your personality" and/or "I'm no into your sex" and furthermore, that any definition (or even confusion) about what "your sex" means other than "it's whatever you say it is" is illegitimate.
The very fact that transgender people exist demonstrates that sex and gender aren't just on/off switches of sexual attraction.
For the sake of clarity, do you mean "sex" or "gender" here?
Also, the way the game's set up wouldn't give nearly enough time to do justice to the PC's hangups about transsexuality, so yes, I believe there's no point in throwing in something that could be deeply problematic with no ability in-game to defuse the problematic elements.
Certain motivations behind it are frequently illegitimate.
That said, I'm fine with it, provided the option to turn them down will have nothing to do with being trans.
There is no such thing as an illegitimate reason for turning down someone.
If someone feels unconfortable enough about the way their prospective partner eats their oreos, then it is their right to break up with them and no one should have the gall to approach them and tell them they should be with the person that makes them unconfortable because their reason for breaking up were "illegitimate".
A sex-change is, in fact, a more understandable motivation than most.
This reminds me of a story my dad told me. Years ago...and I mean like the 1960's, he was at a party and was approached by a black transvestite. He hit on my dad, and my dad politely declined. At which point the transvestite said to my father, "it's because I'm a *black* man isn't it?" My father said "Let's start with the *man* part." That always made me chuckle, that the other man assumed my father was a racist...I guess it didn't occur to him that he wasn't gay lol
Sometimes you just can't win... As I said earlier, I love that we can have this discussion, just not sure we *should* be, at least in this forum. Perhaps a "Transgendered Companion - is DA/BW ready?" sort of thing. Just 'cuz, well romance!!! 
Maybe the person in question won't be able to deal with the fact that their lover wasn't always of their current gender.
Maybe someone has deep seated religious beliefs that are incompatible with such a partner.
Maybe someone doesn't want to deal with the social stigma of being with a transsexual. Cowardly? Probably, but most people don't want complications out of a relationship.
Maybe someone is an intolerant asshat, and the transperson in question would be better off without him/her.
Maybe there are a thousand other reasons neither you nor me can think of right now, and we would be better off not making assumptions?
Forgive me, but I find it difficult to see how the first and second differ significantly from the fourth.
There is no such thing as an illegitimate reason for turning down someone.
If someone feels unconfortable enough about the way their prospective partner eats their oreos, then it is their right to break up with them and no one should have the gall to approach them and tell them they should be with the person that makes them unconfortable because their reason for breaking up were "illegitimate".
A sex-change is, in fact, a more understandable motivation than most.
I referred to the motivation behind it, not the breakup itself. Obviously such people shouldn't be in the relationship if one has such divergent beliefs, but the beliefs were poor ones to begin with.
@Freed
Transvestite isn't the same as transsexual. Like, at all....
Yeah, I think I'll be hiding in the back. Good luck with this one.
The vital difference is that you're turning down people who don't match your orientation because of your own orientation, not because of their nature.
I should have explained more, but as other people have already mentioned, there are a variety of reasons why someone might turn down a trans. Whether you or I think they are legitimate or not, the fact remains that a rejection option (preferably polite)should be offered.
edit: grammar fail wrong verb
In this discussion we refer to the situation when that someone is initially attracted to the the trans person in question, so apparently his or her sexual orientation did the math and assessed that person as a member of desired gender, but then, freaking out because "eww, dude is really a lady (or vice versa)".
It's okay to be turned off by that, of couse without being a dick about it.
I should have explained more, but as other people have already mentioned, there are a variety of reasons why someone might turn down a trans. Whether you or I think they are legitimate or not, the fact remains that a rejection option (preferably polite) is offered.
Given that detailed options for why you're turning people down have not, to my knowledge, been used yet, why should this be different?
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@Freed
Transvestite isn't the same as transsexual. Like, at all....
Yeah, I think I'll be hiding in the back. Good luck with this one.
According to Eddie Izzard, there's all kinds of transvestites too. 
Forgive me, but I find it difficult to see how the first and second differ significantly from the fourth.
So because they don't personally like it, their feelings are less valid? Maybe they aren't the intolerant ones. 
Given that detailed options for why you're turning people down have not, to my knowledge, been used yet, why should this be different?
For the same reason that according to you the fact that the person is trans shouldn't be brought up til the love scene if then.
If they mention it earlier I have absolutely no issues with a vague "thx but no thx."
It various culture to cultutre and indivisual to indivisual, but biology is universal if truth is subjective i guess
Ahh, so it comes down to belief that trans women are not women and trans men - men.
It's not really correct even from biological POV, since there are many studies showing biological difference in brain structures of trans people, just like with gay people. And hormone therapy only further changes biology.
In the end, attraction, especially the immediate, clearly sexual kind, based on visual and other senses' clues, depends on sex characteristics. And all mammalian secondary sex characteristics are hormone dependent, even genitals (which belong to primary sex characteristics, though they are set during prenatal period of development).
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For the sake of clarity, do you mean "sex" or "gender" here?
Also, the way the game's set up wouldn't give nearly enough time to do justice to the PC's hangups about transsexuality, so yes, I believe there's no point in throwing in something that could be deeply problematic with no ability in-game to defuse the problematic elements.
I mean both because my point is that neither are neatly definable terms (no matter how neatly definable people want them to be). To even assume that sex=genitals and nothing but genitals assumes that gender never ever has any biological basis at all. The overlap between these concepts is sticky and I don't like the assumption that 1 and only 1 definition of it either is legitimate and all others are illegitimate.
Not sure I understand this second part. The devs not having enough time/resources is a whole other argument. I thought you objected on moral grounds. What do you mean by "defuse the problematic elements"?
Forgive me, but I find it difficult to see how the first and second differ significantly from the fourth.
So you wouldn't give any credit to someone who would try to let their partners down easy as opposed to falling into a rage filled vitriol about how they were "tricked"?
You should (and would) only date people who make you feel comfortable and who you make feel comfortable. I hope we can agree on that at least?
I'm sorry, but what does the current discussion (about transsexuality) have to do with romance in Dragon Age: Inquisition?
Wouldn't this discussion be better as a general "transsexuality in BioWare games" thread in the Lobby?
I'm sorry, but what does the current discussion (about transsexuality) have to do with romance in Dragon Age: Inquisition?
Wouldn't this discussion be better as a general "transsexuality in BioWare games" thread in the Lobby?
Probably. Easier said than done though.
I'm sorry, but what does the current discussion (about transsexuality) have to do with romance in Dragon Age: Inquisition?
Wouldn't this discussion be better as a general "transsexuality in BioWare games" thread in the Lobby?
You expect a 488 page thread about romances on the BSN to stay on topic?
Man all this talk makes my head spin, really wish i wasn't living in the backwoods so I could understand most of this and actually contribute in a meaningful way (even though I wasn't doing that before either when I could chime in) ;n; (also don't want to make myself sound even dimmer by asking more questions)
So because they don't personally like it, their feelings are less valid? Maybe they aren't the intolerant ones.
Forgive me, but I'm disinclined to think well of those who consider my existence invalid, even if their god said so.
You are not the authority that decides which beliefs are "legitimate" and which aren't.
If someone feels unconfortable with dating a transexual then they have as much right to feel that as the trans had to change its sex.
Ooh, now we're heating up.
I mean both because my point is that neither are neatly definable terms (no matter how neatly definable people want them to be). To even assume that sex=genitals and nothing but genitals assumes that gender never ever has any biological basis at all. The overlap between these concepts is sticky and I don't like the assumption that 1 and only 1 definition of it either is legitimate and all others are illegitimate.
Not sure I understand this second part. The devs not having enough time/resources is a whole other argument. I thought you objected on moral grounds. What do you mean by "defuse the problematic elements"?
By actually having a conversation about why the PC might have issues with it and allowing them to actually discuss the issue and perhaps move beyond it.
So you wouldn't give any credit to someone who would try to let their partners down easy as opposed to falling into a rage filled vitriol about how they were "tricked"?
You should (and would) only date people who make you feel comfortable and who you make feel comfortable. I hope we can agree on that at least?
Yes.
Ha. Eddie Izzard in the romance thread? daveliam
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Seconded.
Guest_Raga_*
People are discussing ways to turn down a potential transgendered romance. Seems perfectly on topic to me (if extremely specific).
I'm sorry, but what does the current discussion (about transsexuality) have to do with romance in Dragon Age: Inquisition?
Wouldn't this discussion be better as a general "transsexuality in BioWare games" thread in the Lobby?
There can be multiple discussions happening in this thread at the same time. If you aren't interested in talking about transgendered LI's in DA games, you can still talk about other things and people will respond to you.
It's okay to be turned off by that, of couse without being a dick about it.
But "eww, dude is really a lady (or vice versa)" is an reaction coming from ignorance and transphobia. From what I've read, murderers of trans women use such panic defense all the time.
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