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I want to throw Sera onto that list, with the various cries that the DA team, "took her away from the men."
Allan's been awesome at keeping that stuff cleaned up, but it still pops up like a zit every now and then.
To be fair, there was a similar reaction when Cassandra and Cullen were confirmed straight.
Quotes by celebrities are always true.
“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****** what." - Steven Fry
I hate Fry but that quote is spot on.
I want to throw Sera onto that list, with the various cries that the DA team, "took her away from the men."
Allan's been awesome at keeping that stuff cleaned up, but it still pops up like a zit every now and then.
What about Cass i've certainly moans equally about taking her away from women.
To be fair, there was a similar reaction when Cassandra and Cullen were confirmed straight.
True enough. No one seems to be given anything, just had things taken from others in the minds of some. 
Well, since she's a past friend of Leliana, I'm hoping that she's more like her. My understanding of her romance was that she was one of the few bisexual characters who didn't fall into any of the three big "issues": she was clearly defined as bisexual; had a preference for the same sex; and wasn't promiscuous, right?
Not really unless you count her job as a bard where she hinted at sleeping with people often then I guess? I wouldn't count it since it came with her job but other people might.
I don't mean to be counter to the popular grain, but if it wasn't your intent to be offensive, and someone decided to be offended at the word, then they kinda did decide to pick on you. I don't know what their reaction was after you made your case, but if it was to continue to act indignitive or possibly to become more antagonistic, then I would say they were in the wrong, regardless of what word you used.
And while I do agree with your reasoning, about whether something is worth using simply because of preference or not, I can't really see someone being offended as a good enough excuse because, well, being offended is pretty much a meaningless statement of emotion.
And to try and illustrate my point, I will now quote a famous person whose outlook on this matter matches my own.
“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****** what." - Steven Fry
I guess it's just a case of agreeing to disagree then. For me, if someone is offended by a term that I used to describe them, then I don't see any reason why I would continue to use that word unless my purpose was to offend them. If I don't want to offend them and I know that this word offends them, then I am not going to use it and I'm fine with that.
To be fair, there was a similar reaction when Cassandra and Cullen were confirmed straight.
I hate Fry but that quote is spot on.
Somehow I doubt it was used in context you think it was used. It was certainly not to defend people referring to transsexuals as "it".
Well, since she's a past friend of Leliana, I'm hoping that she's more like her. My understanding of her romance was that she was one of the few bisexual characters who didn't fall into any of the three big "issues": she was clearly defined as bisexual; had a preference for the same sex; and wasn't promiscuous, right?
I liked the way Leliana was handled, more than the other bisexual companions at least.
But like Zevran she had a past job that utilized her sexuality. I liked how she was in the entirety of the game itself, but I could have done without a second "In the past I slept a lot of men and women... and killed them" backstory. We already had that with Zevran.
It was pretty underplayed though, so it's really just a relatively minor gripe.
While I didn't get chance to see the reaction to Cassandra's reveal, the reaction to Cullen's was much less antagonistic than Sera's.
Cullen's was definitely the least toxic of the fan reactions, but I think it is because unlike Cassandra, Dorian, and Sera, he had a history of being attracted to females and not males with him only having a crush on the Female Amell/Surana in DAO.
Then what is your type? You keep saying what isn't, and never what is.
Was thinking the same thing
Then what is your type? You keep saying what isn't, and never what is.
Well I was gonna go with Sera or Leliana but then Bioware broke my Inquisitor's heart by making them unavailable for male characters ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
I can't really see someone being offended as a good enough excuse because, well, being offended is pretty much a meaningless statement of emotion.
And to try and illustrate my point, I will now quote a famous person whose outlook on this matter matches my own.
“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****** what." - Steven Fry
I can't agree with any of that. Being offended isn't a meaningless statement. It expresses emotional distress or anxiety towards something said or done. Someone's emotional well being is lessened when they are offended.
People say it is meaningless because it can be so widely applied. Just because it is extremely hard to define, it doesn't become meaningless...
I liked the way Leliana was handled, more than the other bisexual companions at least.
But like Zevran she had a past job that utilized her sexuality. I liked how she was in the entirety of the game itself, but I could have done without a second "In the past I slept a lot of men and women... and killed them" backstory. We already had that with Zevran.
It was pretty underplayed though, so it's really just a relatively minor gripe.
She said seduced, not had sex with though. Seduce =/= sleep with.
True enough. No one seems to be given anything, just had things taken from others in the minds of some.
I was more talking about the reaction to Dorian's reveal as gay from the larger gaming community.
The whole, "Bioware is pandering to an agenda. Who cares if he's gay? Are they going to make 'press releases' about the straight characters' sexualities too? If gay people just want to be treated equally, then why do they make a big deal about every gay character?" stuff.
I want to throw Sera onto that list, with the various cries that the DA team, "took her away from the men."
Allan's been awesome at keeping that stuff cleaned up, but it still pops up like a zit every now and then.
Yeah it was only men women where not moaning about cass do you enjoy saying it was just men to make lies about us nice try.
I was more talking about the reaction to Dorian's reveal as gay from the larger gaming community.
The whole, "Bioware is pandering to an agenda. Who cares if he's gay? Are they going to make 'press releases' about the straight characters' sexualities too? If gay people just want to be treated equally, then why do they make a big deal about every gay character?" stuff.
In doing so they are making a big deal about gays themselves. The hypocrisy is astounding.
I can't agree with any of that. Being offended isn't a meaningless statement. It expresses emotional distress or anxiety towards something said or done. Someone's emotional well being is lessened when they are offended.
People say it is meaningless because it can be so widely applied. Just because it is extremely hard to define, it doesn't become meaningless...
Stephen Fry is vocal advocate of LGBT rights (and gay himself). He called out bigots numerous times. As always, that certain quote is taken out of bigger article's context to support certain agenda, in this case, of using degrading language and pretending that anyone that has problem with it is "whining".
Somehow I doubt it was used in context you think it was used. It was certainly not to defend people referring to transsexuals as "it".
I refer to people as either he, she, it, and they.
If they want me to refer to them as Hix, Hixa or some other tumblrism, I'm not gonna do that and I'm just gonna refer to them as the pronoun "it" unless they prefer a gender then either "he" or "she".
I guess it's just a case of agreeing to disagree then. For me, if someone is offended by a term that I used to describe them, then I don't see any reason why I would continue to use that word unless my purpose was to offend them. If I don't want to offend them and I know that this word offends them, then I am not going to use it and I'm fine with that.
To me its a degree of scale in truth, there are some words that are made to be offensive, and some words that others take offense to that they really shouldn't, and some words that aren't even offensive that people want to make offensive because of their personal biases. But for me, intent and action is always more important than what a person said, did this person actually have a visceral hatred and potential hazard to the people he was offending, or is he just trying to be a dick, or even just doesn't know?
Regardless, being offended I feel doesn't really mean much, because in our society we make it both valued and valueless. We devalue anyone who is offended by things we aren't offended by, especially us who enjoy video game who mock those offended by the graphic violence or harsh language of our media. But then, we turn around and immediately expect everyone to fold at things we personally feel are offensive.
The double standard devalues the word, and turns it into what my quoted phrase stated, a meaningless whine. We can certainly respect it, sure, but then outside of that, there really isn't much room ti should be allowed to go.
She said seduced, not had sex with though. Seduce =/= sleep with.
That's a good point. It was still sexual work where her bisexuality was an "asset", however.
Josephine is looking to avoid all the pitfalls though. I really hope she does, and that her 'diplomacy' stays out of the bedroom.
I don't know that much about Fry, but it seems some people think using the quote gives them more legitimacy to excuse their ignorance because Fry happens to be gay. It isn't as if having a certain orientation means you can't be insensitive.
I refer to people as either he, she, it, and they.
If they want me to refer to them as Hix, Hixa or some other tumblrism, I'm not gonna do that and I'm just gonna refer to them as the pronoun "it" unless they prefer a gender then either "he" or "she".
Then you don't look like a person I would like to have anything to do with, but just for your information - the proper and very old English form in such cases is singular they.
Male=sperm,xy
Female=uterus,womb,eggs,xx
Gender=social contruction based on sex depending on the culutre
Its seems like you are describing one aspect of a male and female
Nope. I'm describing the simplest biological definition. Male birds are ZZ and female birds are ZW, and female birds certainly don't have a womb. Turtle sex is determined by the heat of the egg. Plant have male parts (anthers) and female parts (stigmata).
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